I'm not the one saying that "ripping your muscles apart" induces the body into an anabolic state for muscle growth to occur.
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Does anyone see the U.S. Obesity/overweight problem getting better anytime soon?
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I'm not the one saying that "ripping your muscles apart" induces the body into an anabolic state for muscle growth to occur.
neutralgamer02
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I jog a mile two times a week on the weekend and walk for about 60minutes more. I will say that it was hard at first and is still not the most fun thing I could do with my time and I am someone who is slim and cares about my health. I can definitely see how a overweight/obese person could find it challenging to lose weight through exercising. Still, people need to find some way to be more active.
I've been trying to do little things to be healthier. Switch to oil olive or balsamic vinaigrette instead of ranch, walking up and down the 5 stories at work instead of the elevator, a hard boiled egg for breakfast instead of a breakfast sandwich, cutting the cheese and mayo out of my turkey sandwiches, running after work, snacking on apple and bananas instead of potato chips. Hope some of this stuff helps me out, its been two weeks and I generally feel better and feel bad when I don't run.
But again these are just little things I've been trying to change and they are based on my small nutrition knowledge, but making a quick chicken salad with my Foreman has been a godsend. Also switch from iceberg to spinich and romaine.
But again these are just little things I've been trying to change and they are based on my small nutrition knowledge, but making a quick chicken salad with my Foreman has been a godsend. Also switch from iceberg to spinich and romaine.
Right, but it's like poverty in that you almost objectively want to have less fat people in the populace. There is no eliminating the problem(as of now), but we can minimize it with a few steps. I hope.
Don't fear the cheese and mayo. They most likely have a pretty minimal impact on your diet anyway.
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Or they could just change their diet and remain being lazy and still get slim.
Exercise is great for your health, but it's absolutely unnecessary to lose weight. I dropped from 225 lbs to 155 lbs (70 lbs and still dropping) this year with very little change in my activity levels (I'm mostly sedentary on weekdays).
The funny thing is that I'm now more inclined to be active now that I'm much thinner. It probably has something to do with no longer carrying around 70+ lbs of unnecessary flab.
Yeah I know, but I like them almost as much with a nice spicy mustard. One of the biggest simple tips I got was to eat slower. Before I would order a small pizza for lunch and down the whole thing quickly in like 15 minutes. Now I eat slower and turn it into maybe half the pizza over 35 minutes. I would also do that a few times a week, now I'll get pizza maybe once a week because I know how much I love it and trying to cut it out entirely is out of the question.
I've found in the past cutting out all unhealthy food leads to failure. Like say Five Guys, I love it and I used to order a regular two patty burger and fries. Now if I go there I'll get a little burger with one patty and no fries and by eating it slower I still feel good after and not stuffed and cut like 600+ calories from each venture, which is more infrequent.
neutralgamer02
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That is great that you lost all that weight. You should probably start exercising next though. Just because you are thin doesn't mean you are healthy and sadly not a lot of thin people know that till it is too late. I've never had any weight issues, but I started exercising this year because I felt I was getting a little lazy. The result of it has made me feel better in so many ways and also changed my decision making. I no longer hesitate to take the stairs to get to class and even walk long distances to get somewhere. It just makes you feel more fit compared to just being thin.
Wrong. You can be completely healthy and not exercise. Losing visceral fat will objectively make you much healthier. It was cause your lipids to improve dramatically. It will cause your BP to go way down. It will cause you to become much more insulin sensitive which will cause your fasting blood glucose to come down. It will put you at a much lesser risk of developing diabetes, CVD and any other disease brought on primarily by carrying around excess visceral fat. Even without running, you will have much more stamina and your heart will have to work less.
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Oh, yeah, I certainly intend to get more exercise, especially now that I'm thin. Not having to be embarrassed about your appearance is a great incentive to go outside and be active. I only intend to get exercise while playing, though. Doing something fun like swimming, running around with my dog, hiking, or playing sports with friends. Exercising for the sake of exercise is a fool's game, in my opinion.
SuperAngelo64
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Yep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_hypertrophy
Note the "[citation needed]". This is what I've always been taught as common knowledge. Can someone confirm or refute?
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The key word in your statement is "can." You can also be very unhealthy after losing a bunch of muscle and bone tissue in a rush to lose weight.
FallingEdge
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Your routine is actually pretty damn bad and while I do not know exactly what your 'resistance training' is, it was prolly more counterproductive than anything.
I and many others find weight lifting to be extremely fun.
Sometime in the next 5-20 years when America's diabetes epidemic is suffocating productivity and quality of living and much of the 1st world leaves us far behind in GDP per capita and health stats we'll begin to take things more seriously.
The problem is complex and not entirely understood, but seems to do with how the brain determines how much value food has and how engineered food can over-stimulate that value system such that ordinary lipid homeostasis mechanisms are overwhelmed. Basically our fast food and junk food breaks the brain's hunger such that it drives the body to overconsume long term. It doesn't affect everyone the same because it's a wildcard environmental factor that is unprecedented as a selection factor for the evolution that shaped our biology.
Plenty of other countries have balanced food intake, good health stats, and yet have good food. France and Japan are two that do very well. Both focus on real, fresh food that's low in sugar.
I think at first it will be messy. As health costs go up the burden will be thrown around. Companies will start health stat checkups and programs to encourage weight loss. Sucks for insurance coverage and much of the efforts will fail because they're misguided with their "hamster on a wheel while eating less junk food through impeccable willpower", but eventually the market incentive will push against the lobbyist bullshit that corrupts food policy and subsidies and eventually overcome it and good methods will show up.
neutralgamer02
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Not really. First, I was really talking about thin people who eat unhealthy diets but don't care because they are still slim. Anyway, even with the point you made it doesn't change the fact that a person who exercises is more FIT than a person who doesn't. Ask someone thin who doesn't exercise to run a mile and see how hard it is for them compared to someone who exercises regularly. It definitely was for me when I started exercising even though I ate healthy. That really isn't healthy at all. Now, it is some easy that I am hardly out of breath after I finish. That builds up your heart muscles which decreases your blood pressure and builds bone strength. It also does tons of other things that I really don't want to go into, but the best approach for your health is to eat healthy food and exercise regularly.
Yep, that is what I am finding out. I usually jog with someone to make it a bit more entertaining, but I just purchased a football and basketball last week so I can play around in the park after I jog.
Brings me to tears. Kudos.
BertramCooper
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Until the federal government stops promoting a high-carb, low-fat diet - nope.
Can home cooked healthy meals be cheaper than fast food? Yes. Not by a lot, but sure.
But two points:
1. Prepared healthy food is far more expensive than fast food.
2. Home cooked junk food from the grocery (which is 90% of the typical supermarket) is cheaper than produce and meat. 30 cents can get you a mac and cheese dinner, or a small banana. $1 gets you a massive jug of juice, or an apple. $2 gets you a jar of peanut butter, or "manager's special" ground beef.
Zefah we've argued a lot about a few diet/fitness related topics, but this statement has made me lose a lot of respect for you.
As for the rest of this conversation. Can we all please just agree on something. There are many things that are important in health and fitness. Regarding both body-composition and cardiovascular endurance. The kinds of stuff that you put into your food hole is incredibly important.
I won't say "don't eat any grains zomg they bad", But I will say that the average person is using carbs as too large of a percentage in their diet. Mostly leaning towards breads, pasta, and potatoes. I'm not saying you can't survive on these foods, but should just surviving be really what we are aiming to do at this point? So try to eat less of these "empty Carbs."
Believe what you want about calories in/calories out, but it is the only way we currently have of measuring the amount of food we, as people, consume. The system may not be perfect, but it has been proven many times over in the kitchen and gym. Anyone serious about controlling their body composition will tell you that you need to count calories/portion size. After all people don't act outside the laws of physics here, we are basically just a complicated biological machine that takes in chemical energy as food and uses it to fuel ourselves or store it (in various forms).
As far as exercise is concerned we should be aiming for at LEAST 30 minutes of some type of exercise every day. It has been shown over and over again to reduce the risks of many, many medical conditions. Even if it is as simple as walking. After your first 30 minutes you start getting diminishing returns on your time spent, how far you go past that is up to you and your priorities.
Now for my anecdote...
I started trying to get healthier in Feb of last year, at the time I weighed well over 260 lbs. I was reasonably active as my job requires a certain amount of manual labor, but I was down right fat. As of today I'm down to 198 lbs, mostly through controlling my diet. I have been working out (both heavy resistance training and running/swimming) the entire time, but the only times I have actually seen weight loss is when I'm doing very well with my diet. I tend to avoid foods like white potatoes, bread, and pasta along with all the normal "junk" food (this includes pizza).
While I contribute 95% of my weight loss to fixing my diet (I'm not on a diet, I just changed my diet to suit my needs), I contribute 80% of my "fitness" gains to my workouts. I'm stronger than when I started, I can run longer/faster than when I started, I can actually do multiple push and pull-ups, I'm more flexible. All of that stems from working out and exercise.
TLDR:: Losing weight is mostly diet related, and high energy density foods should be avoided, in favor of low energy density/high nutrient density foods. Being "fit" requires at least some physical exercise, and even a little bit of light exercise every day can make huge improvements to your health.
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Allow me to clarify what I meant. I think that any kind of physical activity that isn't required to get through the day should be enjoyed. Whether that be a walk outside in the evening or through playing sports, hiking, swimming, etc. Putting in an hour on a treadmill is the kind of stuff that I think is stupid, unless the person is enjoying it, or they are working towards a specific goal, like training for a marathon or something.
The focus should be placed more on the 'what' rather than the 'how much'. You'll find plenty of people in paleo communities, for example, who very much care about controlling their body composition, but will also dismiss the calories in/calories out theory. Exactly, which law of physics are you referring to when you talk about calories in/calories out, by the way? Is it the law of thermodymanics by chance? I hope not.
As far as exercise is concerned we should be aiming for at LEAST 30 minutes of some type of exercise every day. It has been shown over and over again to reduce the risks of many, many medical conditions. Even if it is as simple as walking. After your first 30 minutes you start getting diminishing returns on your time spent, how far you go past that is up to you and your priorities.
Now for my anecdote...
I started trying to get healthier in Feb of last year, at the time I weighed well over 260 lbs. I was reasonably active as my job requires a certain amount of manual labor, but I was down right fat. As of today I'm down to 198 lbs, mostly through controlling my diet. I have been working out (both heavy resistance training and running/swimming) the entire time, but the only times I have actually seen weight loss is when I'm doing very well with my diet. I tend to avoid foods like white potatoes, bread, and pasta along with all the normal "junk" food (this includes pizza).
I completely agree with this. I think exercise is great, especially resistance training.
entremet
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And promoting it via unbalanced subsidizes. I don't mind subsidises, but subsidize the right stuff, not grains, corns, and soy.
First of all, yes, the conservation of energy law in thermodynamics, I'm sure you have some argument against it but I really don't care, We have hashed this out over and over between us.
My argument as to the bolded part of your statement is that they may dismiss the theory and not count calories, but they are in fact still eating less calories than they require when they are losing weight.
Just because someone doesn't believe in gravity doesn't mean they won't fall if they jump out a window.
I really don't want to have this argument again, so that's all I'm going to say on the matter.
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The body does not use all macronutrients in the exact same manner. I'm sure you'll agree with that. All calories are, therefore, not the same, since the body can't use them all in the same way.
If you're going to apply the first law of thermodynamics, you'd better apply the second law, too. An interesting post on just that here, if you're not too stubborn to read it.
Also, I just want to say I'm not a huge fan of jumping into a conversation, saying your piece, and then declaring that you're done talking about the topic. What's the point of a discussion board if all you want is a spot to shout at people without hearing them back.
Trent Strong
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So is it possible for someone to eat 1500 calories a day, burn 2000 calories a day, and gain weight?
ThisWreckage
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I work in a grocery store. I am routinely disgusted at the shopping choices of other people.
What? Not sure if I understand you correctly. In my country, around 40% of the people do sports.
http://www.obsan.admin.ch/bfs/obsan/de/index/04/01/ind34.indicator.149022.340101.html
I don't know, but perhaps there's a correlation with health:
http://www.obsan.admin.ch/bfs/obsan/de/index/04/01/ind34.indicator.149016.340101.html
38.9% overweight (30.4% overweight, 8.5% obesity)
I don't think our population eat much healthier but smaller portion compared to US citizen.
Well, perhaps if you were storing material that has a low energy density (like water). But the argument in the link is different.
It argues that it is possible to eat 1500 calories a day and burn 1300 calories, resulting in weight gain. However, the human body is worse at processing some forms of energy, so if you eat the right things, you can eat 1500 calories a day and burn 1600 doing nothing else different.
Trent Strong
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So, in the end, it's still calories in vs. calories out.
I like to look at the trolleys of people in supermarkets. There are marked differences between the fat families and the slimmer families. Mainly refined carbs, as in salty snacks, sweet snacks, and sweet drinks, as well as thinks like mac and cheese.
I've found that I can actually eat just as many kilojoules as I used to eat and maintain my weight, as long as I don't eat too much stuff like that.
I've found that I can actually eat just as many kilojoules as I used to eat and maintain my weight, as long as I don't eat too much stuff like that.
NobleXenon
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If you want to base your weight-loss/gain on calorie counts, have fun. I can eat a 5000 calorie SCT/MCT diet while laying in bed for a week and losing weight whereas I can eat a 2000 calorie sugar diet while running my ass off and gain weight. People need to focus on the type of calories, not just calories themselves.
entremet
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Define "gain weight".
crazygambit
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I think the portion issue is probably the main problem.
Has anyone seen Man vs Food? It features a guy going across America taking eating challenges from various restaurants (real challenges, available to the regular public). Also most of the food on the show is praised more for it's size and being just overkill than actual quality. Let's just say America is the only country in the world where you can get enough material for the show.
Even the regular (single) portions in those restaurants can feed a family of 4 in other countries.
Stop trying to be condescending and goading me into an argument. I will not turn this thread into another argument with you where we do nothing but argue between us.
I can see obesity being the next smoking. Right now smoking is seen as "Woah, it causes cancer. Stop! Here are lots of products to help you quit now."
Eventually obesity will be seen as "Woah, it causes heart diseases and diabetus. Stop! Here are lots of products to help you lose weight now." We're pratially there already; there's just nothing akin to nicotine gum and e cigarettes or whatever they are.
They're going to invent products that cause weight loss. Although will not being fat prevent the negative effects on unhealthy foods? I doubt that. That will probably require it's own movement and products.
Eventually obesity will be seen as "Woah, it causes heart diseases and diabetus. Stop! Here are lots of products to help you lose weight now." We're pratially there already; there's just nothing akin to nicotine gum and e cigarettes or whatever they are.
They're going to invent products that cause weight loss. Although will not being fat prevent the negative effects on unhealthy foods? I doubt that. That will probably require it's own movement and products.
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As I am writing this, there are 6.7 billion people walking and breathing on our humble rock. The overwhelming, vast majority of them will pass through there 720,000 hours like a match struck in the wind. Hardly noticed, scarcely remembered.
Tomorrow, as you go about your day, take your time to look around. Are there a lot of people around? What do you see? You see mediocrity. You see average. You see everything about yourself that you hate, that you fear, but that you have been conditioned to believe is acceptable. Fine. Enough. A good job.
I'm here to tell you that you will NOT settle for what is fine. You will NOT settle for a good job. Fine is for the loser. Fine is for the guy who skipped the last set of his workout because he just didn't feel like it. Fine is for the guy who cheated on his diet because he just couldn't do it anymore. Fine is for the guy who took a nap instead of sprinting around in a torrential downpour. Fine is for the guy who got the job, but not the job he wanted. The guy that made second place. He has never embraced pain, personal sacrifice, or thrown himself into the fires of dedication. Most Importantly, and starting today, this guy is NOT YOU."
-Anon
What this country really needs is some motivation, we are all told every day how we should be satisfied with what we are, with what we have. What made me finally want to get in shape was that I shouldn't ever be satisfied, I should always try to improve myself. I just wish that I had realized this ten years ago.
As I am writing this, there are 6.7 billion people walking and breathing on our humble rock. The overwhelming, vast majority of them will pass through there 720,000 hours like a match struck in the wind. Hardly noticed, scarcely remembered.
Tomorrow, as you go about your day, take your time to look around. Are there a lot of people around? What do you see? You see mediocrity. You see average. You see everything about yourself that you hate, that you fear, but that you have been conditioned to believe is acceptable. Fine. Enough. A good job.
I'm here to tell you that you will NOT settle for what is fine. You will NOT settle for a good job. Fine is for the loser. Fine is for the guy who skipped the last set of his workout because he just didn't feel like it. Fine is for the guy who cheated on his diet because he just couldn't do it anymore. Fine is for the guy who took a nap instead of sprinting around in a torrential downpour. Fine is for the guy who got the job, but not the job he wanted. The guy that made second place. He has never embraced pain, personal sacrifice, or thrown himself into the fires of dedication. Most Importantly, and starting today, this guy is NOT YOU."
-Anon
What this country really needs is some motivation, we are all told every day how we should be satisfied with what we are, with what we have. What made me finally want to get in shape was that I shouldn't ever be satisfied, I should always try to improve myself. I just wish that I had realized this ten years ago.
hydragonwarrior
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It'll start going away around the same time people start caring about global warming.
In other words, you should buy more shorts in the future. Swim trunks in particular.
In other words, you should buy more shorts in the future. Swim trunks in particular.
I predict swimwear futures are up overall, but speedo and bikini futures are WAY down.
What a sad post. It's like your entire life is based around the constant pursuit of pleasure. I went down from 285 this September and to around 250-249 this week. It becomes easier when you admit what you attach/see in food. Food, at the end of the day, is just food. What you make it out to be, whether that be comfort, pleasure, a reward, etc, is something which you create.
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