The Last One
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They asked to be disappointed. At the moment it became clear that SE wasn't spreading any hype for the event people should have know what was coming.
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Does Final Fantasy have the most negative fanbase out there?
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They asked to be disappointed. At the moment it became clear that SE wasn't spreading any hype for the event people should have know what was coming.
JaseMath
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No I'm not—FF is great. VI and IX are some of the best games in genre, but the franchise isn't the pinnacle of the genre like it used to be. FFXV proves this; the game is beautiful, hot garbage. Just because I'm not showering the franchise with praise doesn't mean I'm a negative fan.
Other than the Windwaker kiddy controversy, every unreleased Zelda is going to be the best thing ever. The last released game is always shit, and the one before that was perfection.
Get ready to see a ton of Skyward Sword fans coming out of the woodwork to tell you how terrible BotW is in a couple months.
afternoon delight
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Not only am I not shocked but I wouldn't let you eat in my household if the chance ever occurs.You'll be shocked to hear, 8 is not only my favourite in the series, it's my all time favourite game
-Mutsukki-
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When you can't stop telling people what they should or should not like (i.e "fans keeps consuming this frankenstein mess") then, yes, by all means you're proving OP's point
to be fair, those are guys that are helpful since they actually love those games, the egativity comes from the people who think that FF died with 6, or 7, or 10, or 12.
At least I like 13 and I never feel comfortable saying it so since always someone has the need to remind me that the game sucks and that lightning literally killed their dog
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FF is a series that is 30 years old. With the vast age range of its fans, sheer variety of titles (and their perceived quality), the evolution of Square to where it is now, and the internal churning of developers, the series will always have very vocal fans voicing their opinions on where it's been, where it's at, and where it should be.
ethomaz
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I never thought that way but it really looks accurate...
-Mutsukki-
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Oh no... people like this game I don't like... they are not a True Fan™ like me who knows exactly what FF is and I should tell those silly Square-Enix developers how to do their job better. Fucking pop songs? Surely me, the One True Final Fantasy Fan have never heard this in any other FF game and SE surely shot themselves in their foot this time.
get over yourself already.
mrmickfran
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I pay actual money for web hosting and a domain name so that I have a space on the internet to write words upon words about how much I like JRPGs and I like plenty of stuff about Final Fantasy XV. This is a pretty broad generalisation you are making here.
Thats not happening anymore.
I think the series has settled deep into mediocrity in everything but visual sheen.
The entire FFXV enterprise rests on massive production values, the reality of the game is worse than an average Tales game that Namco shits out.
Heck the Tales games are usually much more competent and complete,they just dont have the visual edge.
JaseMath
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I'm giving my opinion and FFXV, in my opinion, is an incomplete mess of a videogame. Whether you're having fun with the title or not is irrelevant—the game was incomplete when it shipped and SE has even admitted as much.
My biggest problem is that when you compare sales figures to the end deliverable, it sends the wrong kind of message. FFXV doesn't say complete quality. It says, "We the fans are accepting of this kind of product." I'm sure SE (the complany) loves making Final Fantasy, but you know what their share holders like even more than that? MAKING MONEY. Their current model reflects this.
Gratz?
I don't see how that even remotely counters what either Orioto or I said. I never stated people who like JRPGs can't like it at all.
FYI, I liked XV.
No OP, if you ask me, it has the most ignored fanbase
We (I, at least) want JRPGs. Menu-driven combat. Not fast-paced Western action games. Persona and Dragon Quest still pull it off. It's not impossible.
The last big games they've put out with combat that I really liked were X and X-2.
We (I, at least) want JRPGs. Menu-driven combat. Not fast-paced Western action games. Persona and Dragon Quest still pull it off. It's not impossible.
The last big games they've put out with combat that I really liked were X and X-2.
Barry Burton
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Heck, it's not even just the entire fanbase being divided.
I mean, this is me when it comes to RE4:
Freeglader
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I loved Stand by Me. It sounds beautiful and easily fits in with the themes of XV. It's definitely in my top 3 for vocal songs for the series.
It really doesn't.
XV is an extremely natural progression. Everything has been heading this way since FFI through XIV.
You've simply not been paying attention if you think otherwise. XV is as much FF as any other game in the series.
You might be stuck in turn based nostalgia or something, but that's all it is.
The only thing wrong with XV is the incomplete aspects due to the troubled development. The core design is exceptional and an absolutely natural progression for FF.
XV is an exceptional game, even more when we consider how troubles the development was. It's incredible the game shipped at such a high quality.
Yes it has issues, every single FF does, but it's one of the best in the series for many reasons.
You really do need to get off the nostalgia trip or whatever it is.
The same fanbase that is forcing comparison in order to downplay other games and hype up the new installment these days?
afternoon delight
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-Mutsukki-
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I'm fine with your opinion, that's why my post specifically said about you continually lamenting over people liking a game that you don't think deserves it. There's no way to send a "right" message in this case, people liked it despite it being incomplete, which I say is a pretty good job on SE's part. I don't believe people like this game only because it's FF or hype, it has it's flaws but it's a piece that resonated with people at some level. I'm not advocating that games should be shipped incomplete, developers should absolutely never do that, but I think it's not unreasonable to really like a game like this either.
No its not.
The core bulk of the game is meaningless fetch quests and copy pasted world design.
This is the anti-thesis of core FF design where the entire gameflow and location design was meant to serve an overarching plot.
FFXV is an outdated open world in a post witcher 3 landscape.
-Mutsukki-
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I'll agree that the game is filled with fetch quest.
But copy pasted world design? That's probably the most incorrect thing anyone could say about this game
Do you realize that the grand majority of the game is roads,identical crow's nest/motel and gas stations.
Its really,really empty and lacking.
Sorry. My fake-fans-not-allowed gatekeeper alarms went off. False positive I guess, but defending the shit Orioto said is a bad look no matter how you slice it.
Bolivar687
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They have a right to be. The games take forever to come out but it's not like Grand Theft Auto or Metal Gear, where at least the creator is still building on the core gameplay of the franchise. We haven't gotten a real Final Fantasy in seventeen years (maybe eighteen). It's the same reason Command & Conquer fans have such high standards - instead of changing the formula for an audience that doesn't exist (and couldn't care less if it did) they should try to satisfy the market that has already shown it will pay a lot of money for those games.
It's tough being a Final Fantasy and Command & Conquer fan.
It's tough being a Final Fantasy and Command & Conquer fan.
ethomaz
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I strong disagree with what you said... it is not the natural progression, the opposite it is a departure from what made FF a successful franchise.
FFXV wrong things are not even a incomplete game... it is mediocre in others aspects too... battle system, camera, boss fight, level system, fetch quests, story telling, dungeon/chapter design, etc. Even what it tries to copy from western games... the open world part is flawed and subpart compared with others western open world games.
It is a 7/10 game and in the TOP3 worst mainline FFs.
SargerusBR
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LoL and Dota communities are FAR worse.
ArkhamFantasy
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Absolutely its up there. Look at every thread on this forum. If theres an update on XV dlc the thread gets filled with people saying "fuck you not what i want"
In the FF7 remake threads its always filled with "lol ps5 game".
On this very page alone theres several posters claiming "its not a real final fantasy game unless i say so". Always clamoring for turn based combat then proceeding to let games like world of final fantasy bomb.
In the FF7 remake threads its always filled with "lol ps5 game".
On this very page alone theres several posters claiming "its not a real final fantasy game unless i say so". Always clamoring for turn based combat then proceeding to let games like world of final fantasy bomb.
Im waiting until XV is "fixed" because right now to me, the corporate side of things isn't working out.
However if Tabata and everyone behind the game can't figure out why XV needs to be fixed and what needs to be corrected then I have no faith for the series future installments.
(well not Dissidia since that's a Team Ninja title based off of an already established combat system I already enjoy.)
However if Tabata and everyone behind the game can't figure out why XV needs to be fixed and what needs to be corrected then I have no faith for the series future installments.
(well not Dissidia since that's a Team Ninja title based off of an already established combat system I already enjoy.)
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Case in point. "Pop song in FF15, series is ruined"
Oops! Final Fantasy games have been using pop songs since 1999. More than half of the series' life.
That's not criticism that elucidates or contributes. That's shooting from the hip because you're angry.
Oops! Final Fantasy games have been using pop songs since 1999. More than half of the series' life.
That's not criticism that elucidates or contributes. That's shooting from the hip because you're angry.
They're only worse because you actually have to play with them. In terms of singleplayer games, FF is definitely up there for most negative.
Haha. People that dictate who is a real Final Fantasy fan are funny.
XV is my third favorite Final Fantasy. Is it a hot, unfinished mess? Yeah, it is. This is undeniable. Do I regret giving them full price for the game on day 1? No way, it was awesome and some of the most fun I've had in any Final Fantasy game since 9.
Am I some kind of crazy non-Final Fantasy fan because I chose to "reward" SE with "sales they don't deserve"? What? That sounds like so much nonsense. I have been playing Final Fantasy since I was 8 years old on the NES. FF4 and 6 consumed my life through my middle school years, and I've since bought 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, and 15 on release day. And guess what? I still love 15. I would take an incomplete hot mess that is a lot of fun any day over a complete soulless game like 13 ended up being, the only mainline Final Fantasy game I could not bring myself to complete.
Does FFXV deserve criticism? Yes, it does. But that doesn't mean it didn't deserve my money or the sales it's been getting. Do I hope they spend more time on their next game to polish it up? Yeah, I do, but I'm glad to know that they're being rewarded doing one thing: making Final Fantasy fun again.
XV is my third favorite Final Fantasy. Is it a hot, unfinished mess? Yeah, it is. This is undeniable. Do I regret giving them full price for the game on day 1? No way, it was awesome and some of the most fun I've had in any Final Fantasy game since 9.
Am I some kind of crazy non-Final Fantasy fan because I chose to "reward" SE with "sales they don't deserve"? What? That sounds like so much nonsense. I have been playing Final Fantasy since I was 8 years old on the NES. FF4 and 6 consumed my life through my middle school years, and I've since bought 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, and 15 on release day. And guess what? I still love 15. I would take an incomplete hot mess that is a lot of fun any day over a complete soulless game like 13 ended up being, the only mainline Final Fantasy game I could not bring myself to complete.
Does FFXV deserve criticism? Yes, it does. But that doesn't mean it didn't deserve my money or the sales it's been getting. Do I hope they spend more time on their next game to polish it up? Yeah, I do, but I'm glad to know that they're being rewarded doing one thing: making Final Fantasy fun again.
TheJollyCorner
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"______ ruined FF" has been an interesting evolution over the years.
Christ... I remember all the "FMV has ruined FF" posts back in the pre/post FFVII release days. The amount of Western FF fans that felt like their little secret snowflake that was FF had been corrupted after it abandoned 2D sprites and became a worldwide success was pretty vocal in certain message board pockets back then. That doesn't even take into account the Nintendo diehards that were disgusted that Squaresoft would go with the PlayStation over the Nintendo 64.
Fun times.
Maybe real negativity comes only from us, from GAF?
Basically, we know our shit. We are enthusiasts of games, but for the normal crowd... Final Fantasy series was never in great danger/Squarenix never gave us any reason for a "mutiny".
Me, personally, the bashing was well deserved.
Basically, we know our shit. We are enthusiasts of games, but for the normal crowd... Final Fantasy series was never in great danger/Squarenix never gave us any reason for a "mutiny".
Me, personally, the bashing was well deserved.
The SNES vs PS1 Final Fantasy war is still going strong 20 years later.
Dimitri LH
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Meh ive seen worse. I think Tales of fans are extremely split.
And lol lets not forget SF5 and RE7.
And lol lets not forget SF5 and RE7.
ShadowSoldier89
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so because you like the game its great, perfect evolution and exactly what FF was working towards. How are you right and hes wrong just because FFXV is what you wanted out of the series.
FF isnt some big "every game is different" shit that people parrot so foolishly. FF1-9 are not that different. The switch to ATB put the turns onto individual timers, but its still all turn based menu driven combat with world maps, cities, towns. They came up with different systems like materia and espers but the games are all very familiar.
FFX is the first one to feel like a departure with the loss of the world map, but other than that feels very familiar.
FFXI the first giant departure since its an MMO.
FFXII comes back and feels awkward to a lot of players with its weird hybrid MMO ATB combat.
FFXIII then feels like FFX with a fast paced combat system with AI allies, but still an ATB bar dictacting your moveset, but a complete removal of towns and linear level design.
FFXIV is again and MMO and a huge departure.
FFXV then is the first Action game in the series. The first single player open world game in the series. The first game with only one playable character in the series.
This isn't some "natural evolution" in game design. A Genre change isnt evolution, its change. Its cool if you like action games and want that to be the series direction, but calling it a natural evolution doesn't fit, and of course isn't going to be something everyone enjoys.
I bought WoFF, havent played it yet since it was broken on PS4Pro for a while, but you gotta realize that "turn based combat" isnt all people are clamoring for. Its everything that came with the package. There hasnt been a turn based RPG with high production values and a serious story since Lost Odyssey. Its all been tossed aside to low budget games and handhelds. As fun as bravely default can be, it doesnt come close to scratching the final fantasy itch. Then with final fantasy It doesnt help that SE fucking blows at action combat (thank fuck they farmed Nier out to platinum)
Trojita
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Does Lightning Returns count or not? Is Crisis Core a mainline prequel or spin off?
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ShadowSoldier89
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As mainline as FF tactics. You arent trying to call Lightning Returns action combat though are you. Its a weird ass combat that kindve defies genres in a way, but calling it action doesnt really work. Super fun combat though, a shitload better than the garbage they put together for XV EDIT: You were probably referring to the only 1 playable character part
CouchMaster
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Looks like fans are divided about which series fans are most divided.
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