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[Siege.exe]

It's not "difficult.". For 80 bucks, as long as your friends aren't ungrateful dicks, you can play four player games.

It's more like $140 more than I intended to spend as a baseline, since I won't be using a solo Joycon, my friends wouldn't be using solo Joycons, I already planned on buying myself a pro controller, and someone might not mind using the Joycon Grip. Is this how it's going to be for everyone? No, obviously not, some of you will just use the solo Joycons and be fine with it. That's not the case for me and my group of friends, though, and I don't see how that's so contentious of a point to make.

 

[2Smashed4U]

With the strap attatched they look to me to be more ergonomic than a sideways wiimote was

That's true, I did forget about those.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

You are obnoxious. You are just as likely to have people say "eh you wanna do something else?" as you are to have people wanna jump on board with using those things for more than a couple minutes.

You haven't even used them, are posting a lot about them and calling other people names.
Golden.

 

[frankie_baby]

You are obnoxious. You are just as likely to have people say "eh you wanna do something else?" as you are to have people wanna jump on board with using those things for more than a couple minutes.

So because you dont like something you havent even touched you are pre-diciding for your mates that they wont either

 

[forknknife]

Well i don't think its any enjoyable experience playing with these.

2016 called and wants your post back

 

[RichiRamjag]

You are obnoxious. You are just as likely to have people say "eh you wanna do something else?" as you are to have people wanna jump on board with using those things for more than a couple minutes.

He's really not. You're not making any point. You've got cheaper options and more expensive options if you want the full controller. On any other console at launch, you'd pay a bit extra if you had to buy three extra controllers just the same. Other than the controller being $10 bucks more, what's the big issue here? Is it just the $10?

It's more like $140 more than I intended to spend as a baseline, since I won't be using a solo Joycon, my friends wouldn't be using solo Joycons, I already planned on buying myself a pro controller, and someone might not mind using the Joycon Grip. Is this how it's going to be for everyone? No, obviously not, some of you will just use the solo Joycons and be fine with it. That's not the case for me and my group of friends, though, and I don't see how that's so contentious of a point to make.

Ok, so what's the problem though? Nintendo should give you three extra controllers for free because your friends aren't getting switches?

 

[Beer Monkey]

They've already said they may patch in support for legacy controllers. I take that as a cue to wait and see. I've got four Wii remotes, four Gamecube controllers, two nunchuks, two Classic controllers, and one Wii U Pro, so I'm ready.

 

[DigiDom]

Different use case, but I like this lightness holding each joy-con in my hands. I loved the wiimote/nunchuck set-up, the cable was this only regrettable thing. Joy-cons are wireless now, and with their size, the only thing we'll feel is HD Rumble. Can't wait.

I find it funny that people are saying they will only use the pro controller. I remember getting the special edition of xenoblade with the red pro controller but ended up playing with the wiimote and nunchuck, just because it was so much more comfortable to play with my hands by my side. I'll admit that i was skeptical at first but that why i went out of my way to try it out first.

 

[jts]

As plainly said, an extra pair of Joy-cons (that can even belong to a friend who brought a Switch along) makes it one of the easiest consoles to get 4 players on, plus it's an on-the-go party console.

So I'm gonna say "no".

 

[2Smashed4U]

So because you dont like something you havent even touched you are pre-diciding for your mates that they wont either

Every friend of mine I've talked to about the Switch agrees for the most part that while the Switch looks interesting, they have no interest in playing multiplayer games with "tiny controllers." I haven't made an assumption here. I don't think this a particularly controversial opinion either...

 

[Siege.exe]

So for ps4 multiplayer you have to buy a friend and an additional ps4

Thats sounds pricey to me

No? I mean, we all had our systems long before we met, and the decision for each of us to get one would obviously not have "local multiplayer with this guy I haven't met yet" factored into it.

That the controllers are $10 bucks extra? Are you disappointed that the switch isn't more appealing to your friends?

You're not making any real point except that it's convenient that your friends already own playstations because you couldn't afford (or don't want) to get the extra controllers anyhow.



Exactly. I hate to come across at some big Nintendo defender. Hell, people can see me giving ninty shit in my history, but the fucking mental gymnastics you see people use to criticize it is out there.

I was asked how I play local multiplayer now, and I answered that question. I'm honestly kind of confused what the problem is here when I was directly asked about how I play games with friends on my PS4 right now. Should I just not have said that we conveniently all had PS4s already?

What are the mental gymnastics here? I gave my reasons for why it would be difficult for me to use the Switch as a party console... Is that not what this thread is about?

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Every friend of mine I've talked to about the Switch agrees for the most part that while the Switch looks interesting, they have no interest in playing multiplayer games with "tiny controllers." I haven't made an assumption here. I don't think this a particularly controversial opinion either...

They and you have.

 

[frankie_baby]

Every friend of mine I've talked to about the Switch agrees for the most part that while the Switch looks interesting, they have no interest in playing multiplayer games with "tiny controllers." I haven't made an assumption here. I don't think this a particularly controversial opinion either...

They don't have to though, it basically comes out of the box with a "standard" controller and other standard controllers are available seperately, just like any other console, it just gives an option if you wish to use it

 

[Diablohead]

At least the switch allows two players out of the box, how many consoles come with two controllers of any type at launch not including bolt on extras?

 

[Siege.exe]

He's really not. You're not making any point. You've got cheaper options and more expensive options if you want the full controller. On any other console at launch, you'd pay a bit extra if you had to buy three extra controllers just the same. Other than the controller being $10 bucks more, what's the big issue here? Is it just the $10?



Ok, so what's the problem though? Nintendo should give you three extra controllers for free because your friends aren't getting switches?

No? I was explaining why it would not be easy for me to use the Switch as a party console. 100% anecdotal, just for me, reasons why it would be difficult.

 

[Dark Cloud]

It's pretty simple for me. If others want to play then they buy their own controllers. I'm not buying anything for anyone and guess what? They all buy their own controllers lol

 

[RichiRamjag]

At least the switch allows two players out of the box, how many consoles come with two controllers of any type at launch not including bolt on extras?

Doesn't matter. Some people's friends told them it looks bad, so it's a worthless feature.

 

[nightside]

At launch if you wanted to be prepared for a 4 players local multiplayer session of ps4 you had to pay what 640 dollars?
Hori pro pads are already on their way and I'm pretty sure a couple years from now there will be lots of offers for pro controllers and joycons.
I really don't get all this outrage.

 

[2Smashed4U]

They don't have to though, it basically comes out of the box with a "standard" controller and other standard controllers are available seperately, just like any other console, it just gives an option if you wish to use it

.....right, but we're talking specifically about multiplayer ITT, and I'm saying I see that as a pretty significant barrier for entry to make this thing a multiplayer slam dunk.

Multiplayer is a pretty big selling point for this thing. They've kind of kneecapped themselves with the price point they've come up with for their accessories.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Doesn't matter. Some people's friends told them it looks bad, so it's a worthless feature.

It doesn't matter. Many will use it. So it's not a worthless feature. It's a benefit from the box.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It doesn't matter. Many will use it. So it's not a worthless feature. It's a benefit from the box.

I was being sarcastic.

I know it's hard to tell sometimes on these switch threads lol.

Well, I don't think there's any retailer you'll find selling a DS4 or XB1 controller for over 50 bucks these days. So until the Pro price goes down, essentially the practical comparison is a 45-50 dollar controller vs a 70 dollar controller.

Really? GameStop by me was selling em for $65 when I was grabbing a wireless pc adapter. 60 on the site. Amazon is much cheaper though.

 

[duckroll]

I guess the Pro controller is 10 bucks extra compared to PS4 and Xbone controllers. Joy-Cons are 20 bucks extra unless a game supports multiplayer with just one joycon.

It's expensive.

Well, I don't think there's any retailer you'll find selling a DS4 or XB1 controller for over 50 bucks these days. So until the Pro price goes down, essentially the practical comparison is a 45-50 dollar controller vs a 70 dollar controller.

 

[Jon Carter]

What's up with people exaggerating what they need to get with the Switch on this board? The Switch is the only console since the Famicom in Japan to come with two controllers, but even if you don't want to play with a single Joy-Con each, you still only need three more Pro Controllers, which are $10 more expensive than the competition but come with much greater battery life and all the features of the Joy-Con. No clue why you'd need a second dock to make it a party machine. It's completely irrelevant. And, yes, you need to buy a game if you want to play said game. Truly a first for gaming systems.

 

[frankie_baby]

.....right, but we're talking specifically about multiplayer ITT, and I'm saying I see that as a pretty significant barrier for entry to make this thing a multiplayer slam dunk.

Multiplayer is a pretty big selling point for this thing. They've kind of kneecapped themselves with the price point they've come up with for their accessories.

The pro controller is just 10 buck more than the official price of the 4/bone controllers, you can hardly say theyve kneecapped themselves

 

[DigiDom]

Every friend of mine I've talked to about the Switch agrees for the most part that while the Switch looks interesting, they have no interest in playing multiplayer games with "tiny controllers." I haven't made an assumption here. I don't think this a particularly controversial opinion either...

It depends on your circle of friend i suppose. I know at least 2 of mine are going to get a switch and that brings the extra cost down to nothing. At least you not in the uk where an extra set of joycon is £74 and even that is not much extra to have a dedicated 4 player machine. Considering the amount we have spent on fightsticks, it's nothing.

 

[frankie_baby]

Well, I don't think there's any retailer you'll find selling a DS4 or XB1 controller for over 50 bucks these days. So until the Pro price goes down, essentially the practical comparison is a 45-50 dollar controller vs a 70 dollar controller.

And give it a few months there'll be reatailers doing discounts on switch accessories

 

[Zen_Arcade]

It depends on how well the singular joy con translates to games. If you buy one extra set you have four controllers.

If a bunch of games don't work well with that controller setup then it's going to be pricey.

 

[family_guy]

It's not "difficult.". For 80 bucks, as long as your friends aren't ungrateful dicks, you can play four player games.

I'd say you're a poor host for subjecting them to play that way.

 

[frankie_baby]

It depends on your circle of friend i suppose. I know at least 2 of mine are going to get a switch and that brings the extra cost down to nothing. At least you not in the uk where an extra set of joycon is £74 and even that is not much extra to have a dedicated 4 player machine. Considering the amount we have spent on fightsticks, it's nothing.

toysrus are doing pairs of joycons for 70 quid

 

[Zen_Arcade]

Well, I don't think there's any retailer you'll find selling a DS4 or XB1 controller for over 50 bucks these days. So until the Pro price goes down, essentially the practical comparison is a 45-50 dollar controller vs a 70 dollar controller.

I was at Best Buy to buy RE7 and their PS4 controllers were $60 for a black controller and $65 for a colored one.

 

[jon bones]

Just re-read OP and realized they included an extra dock in the pricing! That makes sense because sometimes the party moves to another room.

😂😂😂

 

[duckroll]

And give it a few months there'll be reatailers doing discounts on switch accessories

Are you sure? What's the discount on the WiiU Pro Controller like these days

I was at Best Buy to buy RE7 and their PS4 controllers were $60 for a black controller and $65 for a colored one.

Should have price matched....

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-du...aystation-4-jet-black/5580915.p?skuId=5580915

 

[2Smashed4U]

The pro controller is just 10 buck more than the official price of the 4/bone controllers, you can hardly say theyve kneecapped themselves

I absolutely can, given that as mentioned multiple times in this thread, you sort of have to go out of your way to pay 60 dollars for a DS4/XB1 pad. In fact I have 2 extra controllers besides the bundled one that came with the console and between them, I paid full price for an entire one of them. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo *does not* do sales or price reductions (outside of handhelds or system bundles), and the price gap is likely to stay where it is. If I'm not mistaken, Wii U Pro Controllers are still 60 dollars widely available, Wiimotes 40.

 

[ryechu]

I was at Best Buy to buy RE7 and their PS4 controllers were $60 for a black controller and $65 for a colored one.

best buy does price matching. they just use those prices to get people who dont care, or are ignorant of this

 

[frankie_baby]

Are you sure? What's the discount on the WiiU Pro Controller like these days?

Don't exactly see them in the wild much these days, seen them at a discount a fair few times years ago though

 

[DigiDom]

toysrus are doing pairs of joycons for 70 quid

Not bad but i'll probably wait until they do some special edition joycon. I would really like some black and gold Zelda themed ones.

 

[frankie_baby]

I absolutely can, given that as mentioned multiple times in this thread, you sort of have to go out of your way to pay 60 dollars for a DS4/XB1 pad. In fact I have 2 extra controllers besides the bundled one that came with the console and between them, I paid full price for an entire one of them. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo *does not* do sales or price reductions (outside of handhelds or system bundles), and the price gap is likely to stay where it is. If I'm not mistaken, Wii U Pro Controllers are still 60 dollars widely available, Wiimotes 40.

Its not for nintendo to do the sales its retailers and ive seen both wii remotes and wiiu pro controllers on sale many a time

 

[Aomber]

I haven't seen anybody say this, but the MSRP of the Joycons are $79.99. Asides from the one in the box, the grip is not included – technically you can use the pair separately but to use it as a full controller you have to pay an extra $29.99. The Xbox One & PS4 controllers have an MSRP of $59.99. To get the equivalent experience, you're either paying $69.99 for a pro controller, or $109.98 for one full extra joycon controller.

For those saying "oh but the xbox one and ps4 controllers go on sale all the time, that means eventually the switch controllers will" – yes, but that's implying that they'll drop to the same price. They're starting at a higher MSRP as it is, decent chance they'll ultimately be more expensive than their competitors regardless.

Also people who are justifying the cost because of "newer tech" – you do know that when the Xbox One and PS4 controllers came out, those were at the time using the newest tech in controllers too, right?

Some of you are playing yourself if you think this controller is worth 80 george washingtons. It's not "two full controllers" and it's certainly overpriced.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

I'd say you're a poor host for subjecting them to play that way.

If you get upset at your host for asking you to have fun playing games on his new console on half of an 80 dollar new controller, you're a) not very fun, and b) not going to have many friends for long.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I absolutely can, given that as mentioned multiple times in this thread, you sort of have to go out of your way to pay 60 dollars for a DS4/XB1 pad. In fact I have 2 extra controllers besides the bundled one that came with the console and between them, I paid full price for an entire one of them. Couple this with the fact that Nintendo *does not* do sales or price reductions (outside of handhelds or system bundles), and the price gap is likely to stay where it is. If I'm not mistaken, Wii U Pro Controllers are still 60 dollars widely available, Wiimotes 40.

What's out of the way? The local GameStop or bestbuy?

Pro controllers are maybe $50 depending on where you go(bestbuy and Amazon).

 

[tebunker]

best buy does price matching. they just use those prices to get people who dont care, or are ignorant of this

right but why are people comparing discounted pricing on almost 4 year old products to launch pricing on brand new products?


The comparisons are silly.

Wiimotes went on sale all the time. The WiiU Procontroller did go on sale before they all but disappeared.

Hopefully Nintendo will do some joy con pack ins.


The point stands, that yeah, at launch you're going to pay more. Period. But compare apples to apples. Let's hope that things sell well enough that discounts can be offered to those who wait.

 

[2Smashed4U]

The real problem for the Switch when it comes to multiplayer I think is that it's the first Nintendo system since the GameCube to launch without support for legacy controllers. The Wii obviously had the GameCube controllers, which actually could be used with a large number of games (including the systems best selling that wasn't Sports, Mario Kart Wii.)

The Wii U could use everything the Wii could use, so you could play it with virtually anything under the sun, which made the Wii U a fairly good value despite its price point.

The Switch wiped the slate clean. If they patch in Wiimote/Wii U Pro support, I think that would go an incredibly long way.

 

[2Smashed4U]

I haven't seen anybody say this, but the MSRP of the Joycons are $79.99. Asides from the one in the box, the grip is not included, so you can't use the second pair of joycons as a full controller unless you pay an extra $29.99. The Xbox One & PS4 controllers have an MSRP of $59.99. To get the equivalent experience, you're either paying $69.99 for a pro controller, or $109.98 for one full extra joycon controller.

For those saying "oh but the xbox one and ps4 controllers go on sale all the time, that means eventually the switch controllers will" – yes, but that's implying that they'll drop to the same price. They're starting at a higher MSRP as it is, decent chance they'll ultimately be more expensive than their competitors regardless.

Also people who are justifying the cost because of "newer tech" – you do know that when the Xbox One and PS4 controllers came out, those were at the time using the newest tech in controllers too, right?

I largely agree, although one point, you actually can use two Joycons as a full controller without the grip. The grip is merely a comfort thing, and I don't think a Joycon in each hand would actually be bad at all.

 

[Starfish Hero]

Well, I don't think there's any retailer you'll find selling a DS4 or XB1 controller for over 50 bucks these days. So until the Pro price goes down, essentially the practical comparison is a 45-50 dollar controller vs a 70 dollar controller.

Gamestop (I know) has DS4s and XB1 controllers for over 50 used.

 

[Aomber]

I largely agree, although one point, you actually can use two Joycons as a full controller without the grip. The grip is merely a comfort thing, and I don't think a Joycon in each hand would actually be bad at all.

Oh no I got that part, that's why I added that in order to get the "equivalent experience" to the xbox/ps4 you would need the grip. I didn't really word the first part correctly though

The real problem for the Switch when it comes to multiplayer I think is that it's the first Nintendo system since the GameCube to launch without support for legacy controllers. The Wii obviously had the GameCube controllers, which actually could be used with a large number of games (including the systems best selling that wasn't Sports, Mario Kart Wii.)

The Wii U could use everything the Wii could use, so you could play it with virtually anything under the sun, which made the Wii U a fairly good value despite its price point.

The Switch wiped the slate clean. If they patch in Wiimote/Wii U Pro support, I think that would go an incredibly long way.

Agreed, it would help a lot to use my Wii U pro controller on the Switch. Don't see why they can't support this, but they probably won't at this point unfortunately.

 

[ShadowFox08]

2016 called and wants your post back

two switches local though would be epic

 

[frankie_baby]

I haven't seen anybody say this, but the MSRP of the Joycons are $79.99. Asides from the one in the box, the grip is not included – technically you can use the pair separately but to use it as a full controller you have to pay an extra $29.99. The Xbox One & PS4 controllers have an MSRP of $59.99. To get the equivalent experience, you're either paying $69.99 for a pro controller, or $109.98 for one full extra joycon controller.

For those saying "oh but the xbox one and ps4 controllers go on sale all the time, that means eventually the switch controllers will" – yes, but that's implying that they'll drop to the same price. They're starting at a higher MSRP as it is, decent chance they'll ultimately be more expensive than their competitors regardless.

Also people who are justifying the cost because of "newer tech" – you do know that when the Xbox One and PS4 controllers came out, those were at the time using the newest tech in controllers too, right?

Some of you are playing yourself if you think this controller is worth 80 george washingtons. It's not "two full controllers" and it's certainly overpriced.

Xbox one controllers don't even include a rechargeable battery

 

[family_guy]

If you get upset at your host for asking you to have fun playing games on his new console on half of an 80 dollar new controller, you're a) not very fun, and b) not going to have many friends for long.

Controls can make or break an experience, so you aren't guaranteed to have fun. I couldn't have fun playing Kid Icarus on 3DS.

 

[duckroll]

I think what's interesting about the Switch's proposition as a party machine is that the cost is something that is hard to communicate to the consumer right now. A pair of Joycons is 80 bucks and a Pro Controller is 70 bucks. That's really pricey. But the reality is that I think any game that supports more than 2 players at the same time will be designed to use single Joycons rather than the "full" set. That means it basically costs 40 bucks per player expansion. That's not too bad.

 

[mikeGFG]

Honestly, after buying a bunch of add-ons for my Wii U (including Wii Remotes, Nunchuks, Pro Controllers and a Gamecube Adapter), then being told that none of these devices are compatible with the Switch AND that the price for Switch accessories demand an additional $10-20 per product is insulting.

At least my wired 360 controllers made for excellent PC pads after I got my Xbox One.