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Does it matter that Scorpio will be more powerful then Neo?
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Hockeymac18
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Depends on what you mean by "matter". I assume you're talking about in sales? It likely won't make a huge dent there, no (although, I think people are underestimating its possible impact a bit). For that matter, I don't think Neo will, either - I still think the vast majority of sales will be in the low end OG systems (at least, for a few years).
But I imagine its existence will matter to a lot of people. I've personally never really cared about higher resolutions and the like all that much (I did go for the XB1 over the PS4 - to me the games are pretty much the same), and as such I don't know if I care that much about Scorpio.
But I suspect the Scorpio will "matter" to people that want the best third party games on consoles (read: people that are super interested in DF show downs). These are the people I would think Scorpio will sell to most.
How big is that segment? I'm not sure...
Proelite
Member
You'll have to wait until Scorpio specs are finalized too. Probably e3 2017.
If power didn't matter, then I have no idea why PS4 owners would run out and buy a Neo. In console terms, it's a relatively slight boost in performance with literally the exact same games for the entire console lifespan. Unless their purchasing behavior is governed based on where their friends play (or things like trophies), it makes much more sense for a current PS4 only customer to buy a Scorpio instead of a Neo. OG PS4 for all the Sony exclusives and Scorpio for the most powerful system for multiplats + Xbox exclusives.
This is assuming the Scorpio is reasonably priced (which I expect it will be). If the Xbox One released at $499 with Kinect in the box in 2013, I don't see how a kinectless scorpio can't release in the $399-$499 range 4 years later.
This is assuming the Scorpio is reasonably priced (which I expect it will be). If the Xbox One released at $499 with Kinect in the box in 2013, I don't see how a kinectless scorpio can't release in the $399-$499 range 4 years later.
qa_engineer
Member
If they were released at the same time and the same price points then yes, but since they are not then no.
Example: Xbox One launching at a 100 USD premium over PS4 while being 50% (or 33%) slower, one week apart. No bueno.
Example: Xbox One launching at a 100 USD premium over PS4 while being 50% (or 33%) slower, one week apart. No bueno.
Well what about people who do care about power but not as much as they care about the ecosystem or the console brand that just naturally is the common choice where they live? I mean I am sure there are ps4 owners who see that the neo is a more powerful ps4, and want that because it's an enhanced version of the console they already have and love.
Just because the scorpio is more powerful doesn't negate that for a lot of the world console gaming is Playstation no matter how hard ms tries to change that mindset. I honestly see the scorpio being kind of a weird move for MS where they look at all that happened and just assume that throwing power at the problem will fix their worldwide appeal issue. There are a lot of countries that ignore ms consoles because they don't value xbox or even MS products as a brand over Playstation or other products.
Not to mention in countries like Germany and other places, from what I know there is a fair bit of distrust of MS and looking at console sales this gen, Germany is a big part of sony worldwide sales isn't it? I don't see why they'd suddenly ignore their feelings for the company just because more power is being thrown at them.
Last gen Microsoft sold 80+ million consoles. There are more than enough console gamers that think Microsoft is perfectly capable of handling their console needs. They just need the right system.
Neuromancer
Member
There's literally no way to answer this question. There are too many unknowns including what games will look like on each system. Maybe a year from now we will have a better idea.
Yeah they did, but they also had a year head start over ps3, and also happened to have ps3 screw up so badly that ps sales tanked in the US last gen. Do you really expect that just because ms has more power that all those old xbox gamers will leave the ps ecosystem they are now in on ps4 to go back to xbox? I mean yeah it could happen but I somehow doubt that ms will ever see 80+ million or anything close to those numbers again unless playstation somehow really messes up big time.
I really am more of a believer than a lot of average people buy consoles based on where their friends are playing the mainstream games like cod, fifa, gta 5 and stuff, and I honestly don't see enough people jumping back to xbox for scorpio to drag enough mainstream gamers back with them just to play cod, fifa or whatever games that their current console is playing. Just as I doubt that the neo is going to sell loads to the same casual people when it launches, and I doubt the mainstream more casual people who play a few games a year will even care about the neo all that much until it's at a lower price point than what it's rumored to launch at.
Ploid 3.0
Member
I think it would have mattered a bit more if there was no option to play the same games on Xbox One on a much more powerful PC (if you had a gaming PC, which would be a good idea with PC + PS4 combo for the best of 3 worlds). I'm hoping the added power of PS4 next, and Xbox next will translate to games taking more advantage of PC hardware.
In the end though, I think there will always be something holding the new consoles back, just like consoles holding PC games back (Skyrim textures, having to mod Dark Souls to have good resolutions, etc.).
In the end though, I think there will always be something holding the new consoles back, just like consoles holding PC games back (Skyrim textures, having to mod Dark Souls to have good resolutions, etc.).
MatrixMan.EXE
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No amount of power will decrease the sales gap, especially if Neo is out this year and is once again cheaper in a year's time when Scorpio launches. I think for some consumers it will matter, but it won't cause a shift in the market.
LurkFish17
Member
I honestly think the power difference will end up being a minor one as as I imagine Sony will go with the higher spec Neo , and I also don't think it will matter too much. Just something for fanboys to brag about.
thelastword
Banned
At the end of the day, exclusives sell your consoles more than power. As for your question OP, many people argued that NX was going to be more powerful than the current systems. I'm simply saying wait for these consoles to be properly unveiled, when both are on the market we will see what divide truly exists in software.
Journey
Banned
Well, imo the power difference between Xbox One and PS4 had a pretty big impact, people were very vocal about PS4s superiority, and that being said, Scorpio's power over Neo is even more significant than PS4 was over Xbox One, and that's going by the notion that they'll be using the same CPU, but if MS upgrades the CPU as well as increase the Ram, then we're talking a MASSIVE difference in power. It will make the difference between PS4 and Xbox One a laughing matter.
Mexen
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If that power is met by a great library then it will matter because those two have been in a muscle flexing competition for years and if one succeeds with that model, the other retaliates accordingly.
So yes, how that power is utilized will matter.
The real question is whether or not it does matter if the NX is less powerful than current gen from Microsoft and Sony.
So yes, how that power is utilized will matter.
The real question is whether or not it does matter if the NX is less powerful than current gen from Microsoft and Sony.
Is Ori's artwork high-res enough to take advantage of 4k?
statham
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does Ori run at 4k on PC?
MikeE21286
Member
I really think there is a big subset of hardcore gamers that will never play games on a PC. For those it absolutely will matter IMO. But again it's not only about power, but also the games.
Outrun
Member
Yep,
Does anyone think that MS is gonna release equal hardware 12 months after Neo?
Based on what? The video they made about how to give your game to your friends? I think they are very reactionary and aggressive, and that's why they are winning.
schaft0620
Member
Let's just get to 1080p/60fps first
Of course it matters, it's a selling point for MS. If anything Scorpio needs to be more powerful than 6TF if decent 4K gaming really is the goal. Price is gonna be the big issue, hopefully the rumored components drop significantly in price by next summer.
"less than 10%"?
gosh, don't tell the 10 biggest video games in the world they're not real. Let's not pretend that Sega's making almost all of its money on PC games, let's not act like EA has said the majority of their money comes from the PC, no sir
I've seen this nonsense statement a few times.
It wasn't the year head start that secured Microsoft's dominance, it was:
1) Xbox Live
2) having the vastly superior console
3) Oblivion
4) cost
The Xbox maintained its success throughout the generation by consistently being the better platform; if anything, it demonstrated that having lots of exclusives didn't matter, having a few big ones mattered lots more.
Not likely if Scorpio using old Jaguar CPUs.
No point in touting a power advantage if still hamstrung by same weak CPU.
Its hard to say how much it will matter, totally dependent on devs. Xbox 1 is only struggling because its usually running at 900p or a dynamic resolution while ps4 generally runs at a higher resolution or more stable frame rate. If this trend continues with neo and Scorpio with Scorpio on the benefiting side then I could see it being a game changer.
However with that said, I don't think it will be as big of a deal as devs will have a head start with neo and may see a larger install base on the neo side due to the head start, thus they may not see the benefit of spending extra time using the more horsepower of the scorpio.
I mean realistically neither console is going to be outputting 4k, its still gonnna be a 1080p console, but maybe with some downsampling depending on the intensity of the games graphics.
However with that said, I don't think it will be as big of a deal as devs will have a head start with neo and may see a larger install base on the neo side due to the head start, thus they may not see the benefit of spending extra time using the more horsepower of the scorpio.
I mean realistically neither console is going to be outputting 4k, its still gonnna be a 1080p console, but maybe with some downsampling depending on the intensity of the games graphics.
Is this some sort of lesson in revisionist history?
Teletraan1
Banned
If they released at the same time it might. As it stands now I don't think so. It didn't help the original Xbox against the ps2 or any other lttp consoles with more power. I think MS would be better off trying to position Scorpio as "next generation" and hit the reset button on this generation rather than a continuation of a disappointing gen from them. It would also give them a chance to correct some of the problems that plagued XB1 with a fresh start such as the complete lack of appeal outside of the US/UK markets.
ChrisMahoney
Banned
When I buy my first current-gen console, I'll probably buy the one where Mass Effect is the prettiest... so yes, power matters
It depends, if Microsoft positions it as a next gen console, that plays all games still releasing for the Xbone, then yes the power will matter. If its just a more powerful Xbone, with 4K and HDR and no games that take advantage of a generational leap in power, then not so much. This was the first gen that the most powerful console has ever won and it was cheaper then its competition. The PS4/Neo are still the dominant force world wild.
I think he means that Xbox360 crushed PS3 in multiplats generally.
OT: I'm a PC gamer only now but if i didn't have a PC i would just take which ever had more power since i'm not a fan of either's exclusives.
dr guildo
Member
The real question is : what fanbase is Scorpio aiming ?
Not the PCone, because all of its game will be released on PC.
Not PSfans, because Sony has its exclusive, and PC has Scorpio'ones
Maybe XboxFans, but it's better they move to PC for cheaper and more power.
Not NintendoFans, because of the NX
So who are the future buyers of the Scorpio ?
Not the PCone, because all of its game will be released on PC.
Not PSfans, because Sony has its exclusive, and PC has Scorpio'ones
Maybe XboxFans, but it's better they move to PC for cheaper and more power.
Not NintendoFans, because of the NX
So who are the future buyers of the Scorpio ?
PeskyToaster
Member
Not with the Play Anywhere thing for me.Playstation has enough exclusives in terms of quality and quantity to justify a purchase just for their games and I want a 4k player. Not enough on the Xbox for me to justify an S or Scorpio if I already have a PC I recently built. It's just smart economics at this point.
bobbychalkers
Member
The PS4 ecosystem is still the market leader and no one in their right mind would make a Scorpio exclusive. Its a nice option for their hardcore, die-hards to play games at their best but games coming out are still limited by the weakest viable console, the Xbone.