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Does the next 360 need to have blu-ray?
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Silly.Mikey
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I said that about a year ago and everyone laughed at me. Nice to see i made sense....only way too early.
If MS takes the 9GB DVD I to the next gen its a massive fail. Games will actually be in 1080p, non of this up-scaled bullshit. That means high res textures, resulting in Gigabytes of extra data. There is a more than adequate solution in Bru-ray, which can store all that perfectly. I would assume a HDD, or flash storage would be used for caching, preventing even the slowest of BD drives from hindering gaming experiences. Blu-Ray has advanced enough to cope with streaming content, they are at 12x.... The PS3 is 1x (I think).
Digital only isn't ready, and games are becoming far too advanced graphically to fit on 1 DVD, even with the best compression.
Digital only isn't ready, and games are becoming far too advanced graphically to fit on 1 DVD, even with the best compression.
Nope, that is really why MS was so anti blu ray. The blu ray association decided to not use microsoft codecs and UI which would then put other companies to pay microsoft license/patent fees.
Since they didn't, they backed hd dvd which did use microsoft tools/codecs/etc.
hd dvd was the original choice companies backed as their next media format. Sony made the blu ray any way behind the scenes, which worked out for them because hd dvd was actually about 2 years late on their promise, enter sony with blu ray as a back up plan. lines are drawn.
ms is just butt hurt their software isn't inside the blu ray technology.
From what I remember gta4 looked better on 360 but suffered pop ins that the ps3 did not have due to storage size.
devs I think have not been thinking outside of the box with blu ray, didn't kojima copy maps and other things all over the blu ray disc to make read times faster etc
I laughed at the post that said that Microsoft would put Blu-ray playback behind the paywall.
But then I felt really bad, because they probably would, seeing as they are fucking putting Youtube and a shitty console internet browser behind a paywall as well.
And with it come higher xblg fees. Which in turns shoots down the idea of getting the cheaper box.
Silly.Mikey
Banned
Its a double edge sword for ms, include it and ur kinda supporting Sony, dont and youre giving people (mostly fanboys) a reason to select ps4 over ur console (even tho they are dirt cheap and theres no reason someone shouldnt have one already).
Mikey Jr.
Member
The people who talk about streaming only and blah blah blah always assume everyone in the world is just like them. Everyone has 500gb monthly caps, 20mbps speed.
FACT: NO.
Internet in Canada is terrible for example. And thats a first world country. How in the flying fuck are people who live in Brazil supposed to stream/dl games? Shit, I heard Australia has terrible internet as well.
FACT: NO.
Internet in Canada is terrible for example. And thats a first world country. How in the flying fuck are people who live in Brazil supposed to stream/dl games? Shit, I heard Australia has terrible internet as well.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Sending messages to silver friends on the Xbox is not behind paywall. I shit you not.
Kojima made his game reinstall a total of 5 different times while playing the game.
thomasmahler
Moon Studios
I really hope Microsoft considers a 'digital only' version for the Xbox - Generally, just like with Nintendos new strategy, we should be able to download games at the same time as they appear on retail. I'd rather buy a cheaper console without drive than being forced to buy a version with bluRay drive that I really don't want to use.
How about silver to gold?
Lack of understanding how to do an install games. I blame sony more than kojima for that and he finally got it done.
So now you can install once. Doesn't change that kojima pasted maps and assets all over the disc.
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flippymittens
Banned
Blu-ray (single layer) has like 3 times the capacity of the current 360 medium... Imagine having 3 times the power 
I do not personally find Blu-ray necessary for gaming but it does not hurt. I would say that it would benefit the next 360 greatly to have Blu-ray but is not necessary.
I do not personally find Blu-ray necessary for gaming but it does not hurt. I would say that it would benefit the next 360 greatly to have Blu-ray but is not necessary.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/MPEG-and-DVD-video-frequently-asked-questions#
Can I play a Blu‑ray Disc?
To play a Blu‑ray Disc, you need to use a non-Microsoft program that supports Blu‑ray playback and a device capable of reading Blu‑ray Discs.
Can I play a Blu‑ray Disc?
To play a Blu‑ray Disc, you need to use a non-Microsoft program that supports Blu‑ray playback and a device capable of reading Blu‑ray Discs.
Barkley's Justice
Member
I think MS will offer their own derivative of bluray, sort of like sega did with cdrom/gd-rom.
ms doesnt want you to buy bluray movies. they want you to buy zune movies.
ms doesnt want you to buy bluray movies. they want you to buy zune movies.
Yeah, they don't want to give Sony money either.
ii Stryker
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Blu-Ray itself isn't mandatory a much larger storage format is though, whether that's proprietary or blu-ray remains to be seen at this point however.
For the sake of filling that bulletpoint when competing against Sony though I'd say its a safe bet M$ WILL have blu-ray functionality in the 720 if the read speeds are better and they include a HDD.
One of the detractors of them keeping it out of the 360 was the abysmal read speed and the need to offset that with a mandatory HDD install. M$ actually faired better this gen omitting blu-ray then Sony did including it.
This will not be the case next gen.
For the sake of filling that bulletpoint when competing against Sony though I'd say its a safe bet M$ WILL have blu-ray functionality in the 720 if the read speeds are better and they include a HDD.
One of the detractors of them keeping it out of the 360 was the abysmal read speed and the need to offset that with a mandatory HDD install. M$ actually faired better this gen omitting blu-ray then Sony did including it.
This will not be the case next gen.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
Yes.
Anticitizen One
Banned
The Wii U uses CD-ROMs
Backfoggen
Banned
$40 remote control.
MS removed DVD playback from WMP in Windows 8 and Media Center is now an addon that you can purchase (it can play DVDs if you so buy it).
From this we can assume that MS doesn't give a shit about optical media movie playback at all. So I can totally see them not support DVD/Blu Ray movie playback next gen.
From this we can assume that MS doesn't give a shit about optical media movie playback at all. So I can totally see them not support DVD/Blu Ray movie playback next gen.
It's funny,while it technically comes under the "dick move" umbrella, I don't think I know anyone who has ever used their PC or Xbox to actually watch a DVD. Everyone has a DVD player these days.
Hell, even Blu-ray players are under $100 now. I've ripped all my Blu-rays and HD DVDs now and they're packed away in storage. I just loaded them all onto a hard drive and watch them with a media payer. I have a PS3 sitting in my lounge specifically for Blu-ray watching that hasn't been turned on in months.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Xbox to Xbox totally free.
Windows doesn't play DVD's out of the box either and hasn't for years.
Last Hearth
Member
I use my Xbox to watch DVD and my PS3 to play blu-ray. I have no interest in buying another standalone player.
WMP in Windows 7 can totally play DVDs unless they are region locked or copy protected.
You must have a small circle of friends.
Almost everyone I know has Netflix, but they also purchase physical movies. With the Netflix outage that happened earlier this year (Amazon servers shut down), streaming isn't ready to be the primary way of consumption for the masses yet. I would be PISSED if I was in the middle of a game and due to a power outage at a server plant my game just goes dark.
The option of both would be nice, but I'd prefer physical media over streaming media any day of the week.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
I really cared about DVD and blu-ray playback about 2 or 3 years ago. I stream everything now. It wouldn't shock me at all if MS skipped blu-ray playback. After all, those licensing fees really add up when you're looking to sell 50-150m systems. Also, as others have noted, MS wants consumers to use Zune.
For me the really wild card is how international consumers with limited internet connections will feel about it. Given 360 vs PS3 sales it doesn't seem like they care too much.
For me the really wild card is how international consumers with limited internet connections will feel about it. Given 360 vs PS3 sales it doesn't seem like they care too much.
This.
I don't see why they wouldn't, unless they use some kind of proprietary disk instead.
Either option is acceptable, as long as the disc space is enough. Blu Ray is a lot cheaper than it was when the PS3 debuted, so I'm pretty sure the licensing won't be too crazy, and it's not like Sony would turn down extra profit from licensing it to Microsoft.
Blu Ray is no longer a selling point as far as game consoles are concerned. I don't think it'll matter if both the PS4 and next Xbox have it.
Either option is acceptable, as long as the disc space is enough. Blu Ray is a lot cheaper than it was when the PS3 debuted, so I'm pretty sure the licensing won't be too crazy, and it's not like Sony would turn down extra profit from licensing it to Microsoft.
Blu Ray is no longer a selling point as far as game consoles are concerned. I don't think it'll matter if both the PS4 and next Xbox have it.
onken
Member
I really hope it does have BD movie support, convenience factor is going to be much higher for me personally. GF comes home, can quickly exit the game, pop in a movie and watch it right away instead of turning it off, getting a different controller, booting up the PS4 etc.
Unless you work as an accountant at MS I see no reason why you would be against this.
This is bullshit, WMP plays DVDs (NOTE: NO APOSTROPHE REQUIRED) out of the box.
Unless you work as an accountant at MS I see no reason why you would be against this.
This is bullshit, WMP plays DVDs (NOTE: NO APOSTROPHE REQUIRED) out of the box.
The One and Done™
Member
Yes, it needs more space and they won't try a new platform like HD again.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Oh, didn't know this changed. XP couldn't play DVDs. As a Mac user I always thought it was strange. Good thing 7 does but again, XP doesn't unless you have a third party codec.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
It's going to be funny if they bring back a "new and improved" HD-DVD so they wont have to pay the blu-ray fee.
EternalGamer
Banned
All the more reason it is stupid you cant send messages on Xbox.com unless younare a Gold member. It makes no fucking sense, i can boot up a GFWL game and send a message using a Silver account but I cant just use the website to do the same unless I pay them.
At this point the battle has long been lost. Either they'll go pure DD (which I think is a mistake since you'll have to install every game you play on your system which is going to be time consuming and with limited space if games like Max Payne on PC's install size are any indicator of what we'll see), or they'll include it as just a bullet point and leave it at that. Bluray won the format wars, really there's LESS shame in using it in their next system rather than sticking with multi-disc DVD releases or coming up with ANOTHER competing format (which is just sour grapes). The only thing I could see them doing which could be cool is returning to cartridges via read-only SD cards or the like, but that would be far more expensive.
CadetMahoney
Member
Why would it be free to send and receive messages to someone on xbox live (messages pop up live as they play etc) from a free website but not within the Silver account on Live?
Seems like a pretty unified decision. Don't know what the furore is about.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
It would be pretty sad if the next Xbox still used DVDs when even the Wii U will be using quasi-BluRay discs.
EternalGamer
Banned
You can send from a silver account either on PC or Xbox.
CadetMahoney
Member
Just tried it with a simple hi message and indeed you can send messages on silver to another silver/gold.
Mushroomer25
Member
I think blu-ray will be a part of the system, but I would not be at all surprised if Microsoft sold a 720 without an optical drive, and pushed streaming/digital downloads as the next big thing.
Again
Microsoft is NOT that dumb. We are at least two generations from the all streaming boxes.
Microsoft would lose a majority of it's console business if they went drive-less for 720. It would completely bite and alienate what put them in this position.
H_Prestige
Banned
I don't think MS is against using BD, but their fanboys seem to be.
GarthVaderUK
Banned
I reckon they will have Blu-Ray, and I hope they do.
NekoFever
Member
I'm sure it'll use Blu-ray.
All media formats carry licensing fees, so it's not like using DVD is free. And the argument that Microsoft wouldn't want to give Sony money is silly, and largely based on the misconception that Sony owns Blu-ray. It's controlled by a consortium of companies of which Sony is just one, and not even the biggest one. Microsoft is no more giving money to Sony for Blu-ray than it already is by licensing DVD and CD, because Sony had a hand in those as well.
All media formats carry licensing fees, so it's not like using DVD is free. And the argument that Microsoft wouldn't want to give Sony money is silly, and largely based on the misconception that Sony owns Blu-ray. It's controlled by a consortium of companies of which Sony is just one, and not even the biggest one. Microsoft is no more giving money to Sony for Blu-ray than it already is by licensing DVD and CD, because Sony had a hand in those as well.
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