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Does Wolverine Healing ability make him invincible ?What is his Kryptonite ?
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good guy, always puts the young talent over
No, omega level mutants have far reaching abilities. His immortality is personal.
Iceman, for example, could effect the global ecosystem if he wanted to. That's an omega level mutant.
BKatastrophe
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That, and the fact that even if we're speaking just in healing factors as a classification, Deadpool would be above Logan. Probably Laura and Sabretooth as well.
Why?
gutter_trash
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in pre-reboot era: Wolverine could not survive a beheading.
his neck was his weak spot
his neck was his weak spot
Elixir
BKatastrophe
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Deadpool's healing factor is just better, and Laura is a clone of Logan without the adamantium skeleton (though she does have the claws), and therefore her healing factor isn't bogged down. Basically she's Logan without the adamantium, making her healing factor just better than his. Sabretooth I'm not sure on.
Triage did bring someone technically dead, but they had been dead for a rather short period. Still, he did. And it's still not clear how his powers work. All it's known is that he can heal. Although Elixir is better than Triage (
apparently in the recent Uncanny X-Men, Elixir leveled up, which would make him pretty high up there
BKatastrophe
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It's toxic to his body, which means his healing factor is constantly working in the background.
Yeah when Bulleye had an adamantium spine he had to take drugs in order not to die from toxic shock
BKatastrophe
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Does he still have that?
Angelus Errare
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Deadpool's got cancer + healing factor = God mode.
Laura's entire body isn't adamantium so her healing factor isn't constantly working like Wolverine's is. Sabretooth has simply always had a better healing factor.
Edit: I should have refreshed the page before responding.
BKatastrophe
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BKatastrophe
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He got sick via nano-sentinels once.
Fucking Cassandra Nova...
I assume not because this happened
Hehehehehehe
What an asshole
AMerican Eagle said not to bring that weakass shit down to the South West.
American Eagle is also The Thing's equal in strength, Bullseye had no business fucking with him
BKatastrophe
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Bullseye is always taking on people he has no business taking on.
He got lucky against my boy Jack Flagg
BKatastrophe
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I wonder what Bullseye is doing now? Probably Superboy Prime-style angrily typing in forums.
Manmademan
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he was talking about Triage. Elixir is also up there, but not anymore
deadpool is not a mutant.
I like how they started a new volume of Guardians and just forgot he existed. Abnett and Lanning were setting him up to be a deity or some shit.... and then nothing.
shaowebb
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Wolverine is over rated. Drown him. He doesn't produce oxygen ...just heals. He'd just be stuck there. He's too damned heavy to swim. Just dump him in the ocean. Any exceptions to this are bad writers. The whole survive a nuke thing is bullshit writing too. Blah blah blah cells still encased in adamantium. A nuke is beyond the melt point of adamantium it'd expose that shit or just straight up burn those bits beyond ash inside the adamantium.
Oh yeah need another way to kill him? Concrete. He's too heavy to get out, it hardens and he doesn't have super strength to break it. He's got unbreakable claws? Yeah they dont break but I could have a diamond knife and it doesnt mean it dissolves things it touches no matter how sharp it is. Even if the muscles that pop the claws out are strong enough to punch METAL through CONCRETE he would just have 6 concrete sheathes for the claws and no ability to move the arm to dig with them ever. Plus no oxygen means I dont care how healthy the arm is healed up to be...it can move the blood in it to do anything.
The whole character is pretty whack. Honestly every time he punches that arm of his claws first into a metal door it shouldn't cut the door because unbreakable doesnt mean it disintegrates matter. Just that its strong. What SHOULD happen is his God Damned arm bones rip out of his weak fleshy fucking arm as the claws hit the metal door, go in slightly, refuse to break, and he tears his own muscles and they HEAL over the metal skeletal arm and hand bones that popped through the skin.
Wolverine is one big plot armor character. Best martial artist because he's fucking older so he has experience and heals? Dude has no defense because he rides the healing factor like an idiot. Yeah no. Iron Fist or Shang Chi should own that shit hands down and yes I know the Avengers dumb shit sparring match scene and yes I call it the brainspawn of a mentally handicapped writer milking that plot armor with both hands.
Wanna stop Wolverine? Pin his arms down, dump him in a hole and pour concrete on him.
Oh yeah need another way to kill him? Concrete. He's too heavy to get out, it hardens and he doesn't have super strength to break it. He's got unbreakable claws? Yeah they dont break but I could have a diamond knife and it doesnt mean it dissolves things it touches no matter how sharp it is. Even if the muscles that pop the claws out are strong enough to punch METAL through CONCRETE he would just have 6 concrete sheathes for the claws and no ability to move the arm to dig with them ever. Plus no oxygen means I dont care how healthy the arm is healed up to be...it can move the blood in it to do anything.
The whole character is pretty whack. Honestly every time he punches that arm of his claws first into a metal door it shouldn't cut the door because unbreakable doesnt mean it disintegrates matter. Just that its strong. What SHOULD happen is his God Damned arm bones rip out of his weak fleshy fucking arm as the claws hit the metal door, go in slightly, refuse to break, and he tears his own muscles and they HEAL over the metal skeletal arm and hand bones that popped through the skin.
Wolverine is one big plot armor character. Best martial artist because he's fucking older so he has experience and heals? Dude has no defense because he rides the healing factor like an idiot. Yeah no. Iron Fist or Shang Chi should own that shit hands down and yes I know the Avengers dumb shit sparring match scene and yes I call it the brainspawn of a mentally handicapped writer milking that plot armor with both hands.
Wanna stop Wolverine? Pin his arms down, dump him in a hole and pour concrete on him.
Angelus Errare
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Wolverine has never been called or titled as the best martial artist in Marvel. However Wolverine is above many of the people he jobs to in hand to hand.
The cancer doesn't hinder it helps. Remember cancer is unchecked cell growth.
The cancer doesn't hinder it helps. Remember cancer is unchecked cell growth.
BKatastrophe
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he was talking about Triage. Elixir is also up there, but not anymore
deadpool is not a mutant.
RIP
Also, yeah I know he's a mutate not a mutant.
He is as a Wolverine villain. But as far as X-Men goes, unless he's running with Mystique, no one gives a shit.
He's even one of the few people that can catch Wolverine by surprise.
BKatastrophe
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WOnder how many people think it's just a cool cyborg arm Cable has, and not a virus that takes 99% of his mutant power to stop
Probably most people. I mean, how often do you get excited to talk about techno-organics?
Manmademan
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WOnder how many people think it's just a cool cyborg arm Cable has, and not a virus that takes 99% of his mutant power to stop
to be fair when he was created it WAS just a "cool cyborg arm." the T/O stuff was shoehorned in later.
Manmademan
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this is true for everyone with a healing factor ever.
edit: except madcap. that guy has always been ridiculous from the jump
Angelus Errare
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Character design probably has a bit to do with it.
Wait what? The things equal? In what Universe? Im going to need to see some receipts, sir.
shaowebb
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Fun fact...Sabretooth was not originally a Wolverine villain. He was an IRONFIST villain. Plus, he got schooled free by Iron Fist. Again, I say Wolverine is over rated.
His biggest threat bodied for free by someone a plot armor writer had job to Wolverine in a sparring match. Like I've said before...most of the writers these days are just fanboys who cant let their favorite heroes ever seem weak in a fight. Due to this, most of Marvel is filled with hero vs hero "oh no I screwed up and its dramatic how I struggle to do the right thing but hurt everyone I know all the time" overplayed stuff. They can't write villains...they can only write hero on hero controversy and when it fails them they shuffle around new faces in those roles and give them the same plot armor and wonder why its dull.
Write a villain. They're your story. NOT the hero. The hero is a reactionary voice for the reader each branded to represent a different outlook on the problem. Learn. To write. Villains.
Oh yeah and back on topic...Wolverine is the poster child for such bad writing. Total plot armor. When they run out of ideas for you with that kind of writing they generally kill you or replace you. With Wolverine they did BOTH.
As the only Warlock fanboy, I get very exceited
His first appearance has him and Ben arm wrestling ending in a tie.
Parallax
best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
wolverine doesnt have plot armor. he rarely tears it up on characters unless they happen to be faceless, robots or aliens
Manmademan
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Are you high? We just got done with a crossover that was absolutely not "hero vs. hero" with tons of well written villains in it.
and the "iron fist" sabretooth didn't have a healing factor yet. He also fought luke cage
Again, sans healing factor. Sabretooth can take a hell of a lot of damage.
PartTimeWarrior
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WOnder how many people think it's just a cool cyborg arm Cable has, and not a virus that takes 99% of his mutant power to stop
Did they explain this in the Xmen cartoon? I didn't know about the virus until recently
Manmademan
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no. cartoon doesn't explain anything. But the virus has been a thing since the mid 90s.
X-Men Origins Wolverine Sabertooth is probably the best version of Sabertooth and that's just terrible.
This is the saddest thing i've ever seen.
This is the saddest thing i've ever seen.
Like how Trevor Fritroy just shows up for no good reason
Manmademan
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nah, that's AoA sabretooth.
LOLLLLLLLL
not really. That version of sabretooth had no healing factor. He was just a strong guy with claws. Tearing your face off will put just about anybody down. nasty stuff.
The virus is talked about in the show. It's actually a plot point. I don't think they ever talk about the virus suppressing his power though. Cable was handled very poorly in the cartoon. I recall his first appearance didn't involve any kind of time travel at all... he was just some random commando guy that wasn't even a mutant. It was really weird and out of place. Later on when they did establish the future stuff he got a random son that had a metal arm too for some reason... even my younger self thought the thing was so damn stupid.
Wolfe
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Just because they utilize made up impossibilities/improbabilities doesn't mean comics can't and don't also attempt to abide by the laws of physics in general. The stories are still pretending to be set in a "real" world, with science and all that stuff we have in our world.
I'm simply looking for the simplest answer that coincides with the ways that marvel had told me their characters and universe works. Sure that changes over time and I'll like certain versions better than others but that's how it's always been with characters that have never ending story lines in these types of books.
Plus I imagine hulk sweats, you ever try gripping something tightly with sweaty palms?!
Manmademan
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cable DID have a son though.
Just because they utilize made up impossibilities/improbabilities doesn't mean comics can't and don't also attempt to abide by the laws of physics in general. The stories are still pretending to be set in a "real" world, with science and all that stuff we have in our world.
I'm simply looking for the simplest answer that coincides with the ways that marvel had told me their characters and universe works. Sure that changes over time and I'll like certain versions better than others but that's how it's always been with characters that have never ending story lines in these types of books.
Plus I imagine hulk sweats, you ever try gripping something tightly with sweaty palms?!
what? no they aren't. They take place in the marvel universe, where the laws of physics are entirely different (FTL travel is commonplace, conservation of energy is not a thing), and straight up MAGIC is accepted as just as valid as the laws of gravity.
Nah I get that but dudes basically crying on the floor I feel bad.
I thought the cancer prevented the healing factor from getting out of control? I vaguely recall some Secret Invasion thing alluding to this. Clone Skrulls or something.
cable DID have a son though.
I'm sure he did. But this guy was some generic looking guy with a metal arm so you would know he was his son... because metal arms are genetic you see.
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