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Domino promo shot (Deadpool 2)

Where were the complaints about Copycat, NegaSonic, and Ajax?

Weird how people didn't complain until they made someone black.

To give some context, taking these numbers from Marvel Wikia:

Copycat - 57 appearances
Negasonic Teenage Warhead - 22 appearances
Ajax - 13 appearances
Domino - 360 appearances

Domino shows up in the comics like 4 times as often as the prior characters combined, plus appearances in other media (cartoons, video games). She's significantly more prominent. More people care about adapting Domino because more people know who Domino is.

I understand why people would be skeptical of people's motivations here and they're right to be, because I bet a good chunk of critics are simply upset that they're SJW-ing up Deadpool or whatever nonsense they want to make YouTube videos about.

But I think it's fair to let people be disappointed when an adaptation of a character drops their only real visual trademark. I think that's a valid criticism to make.
 
That wasn't what I was asking for.

"Hope you were posting in Off Topic about every comic book movie made going back 12 years ago, to earn the privilege of partaking in all future related discussions!"

?

Do we also do the opposite and grill everyone praising this Domino, what they thought of friggin' Wanted?
 
I would appreciate if people who are against this linked to posts where they complained about any one of the following:

Tilda Swinton as Ancient One in Doctor Strange
Liam Neeson as Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins
Angelina Jolie as Fox in Wanted

Just so I know where they stand on this issue.
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Oh stop.

You only have to look at the Wonder Woman casting thread to understand that people are sticklers for comic book accuracy, universally. Count the 'she doesn't look like Wonder Woman' comments when Gal Gadot was cast.

You aren't combating racists, at least not in large part - comic book fans get a kick out of seeing characters translated to screen seamlessly. This is a significant deviation from how Domino appears in the comics. That's all there is to this.
 
Oh stop.

You only have to look at the Wonder Woman casting thread to understand that people are sticklers for comic book accuracy, universally. Count the 'she doesn't look like Wonder Woman' comments when Gal Gadot was cast.

You aren't combating racists, at least not in large part - comic book fans get a kick out of seeing characters translated to screen seamlessly. This is a significant deviation from how Domino appears in the comics. That's all there is to this.

Again, it's not about how there is a difference between movie and comic versions of a character design. It's about skin tone wanting to be chalk white and people not wanting the afro, which mixes with racial politics about black women. If no one brought up wanting chalk white skin or the afro to be gone, this thread wouldn't be as big.
 
But I think it's fair to let people be disappointed when an adaptation of a character drops their only real visual trademark. I think that's a valid criticism to make.

I think that's fair too, and I think a lot of that has happened in the thread.

The unfairness starts to settle in when people respond to those complaints with their concerns, and those concerns get summarily dismissed as basically crying for attention or jumping at shadows (or virtue signalling or SJWing or whatever thoughtless buzzword of choice can get coughed up in place of critical thought).

Like I said upthread: People hitting this solely from the single, superficial "mah comix" angle aren't wrong to do so. It's understandable. But when other people respond with something more nuanced than that single aspect as a means to either counter those complaints, or support their own opinions separate from those complaints, conversation completely breaks down because the "mah comix" guys don't wanna hear any of that shit, and don't appreciate that you brought it up in the first place.

They get defensive. They don't need to, but they do, because it seems like on some level they recognize the argument they're seeing has validity, but they don't wanna engage with it beyond "mah comix" and they feel forced into it, and that's when the indignance and annoyance sets in, usually in the form of "Oh, now I can't like it and not be a racist/sexist whatever. That's fair. Sure. Thanks."

I saw the Wonder Woman example get brought up earlier, and yeah, people complained that she didn't look like the Wonder Woman from 'mah comix' and in some ways, yes she does, and in other ways, no she doesn't. And in those conversations, a very similar divide broke out, where people were addressing those superficial complaints with "okay, but here are the things this addresses w/r/t body issues, image issues, these aspects of sexuality/femininity/etc" got summarily dismissed and cast as crybabies and outrage addicts for no other reason than it was easier to do so. To hear/listen/consider those other arguments (not even to agree with them, just to take them into consideration) means its not as easy to simply point at a panel and go 'mah comix' and pretend that importance trumps all.

And for a lot of people, the simplicity of elevating the superficial to prime importance is part of the reason they "escape" into genre fiction in the first place. So when those elements get brought into their longbox, they get upset and start projecting about outrage and such.

The adaptation of Domino to live action isn't all that out of bounds. It seems as if the director/producers have put a lot of thought into why she is who she is, and why she looks the way she does. Unfortunately, that look doesn't align one to one with any of the previous versions of the character that's existed (in varying different designs over the years) in mah comix. But fortunately, it's a look that seems to work very well for Zazie Beetz, who is a very good actor.

"I wish she looked more like the comic" is a valid take.
"I don't wanna hear anything about it that goes any deeper than that and you need to stop bringing it up" is not as valid.
 
Again, it's not about how there is a difference between movie and comic versions of a character design. It's about skin tone wanting to be chalk white and people not wanting the afro, which mixes with racial politics about black women. If no one brought up wanting chalk white skin or the afro to be gone, this thread wouldn't be as big.

But that's just saying "I wanted it to look more like the Domino I know". That's a reasonable desire. It's one thing to say "fuck afros" and another thing entirely to say "I wanted Domino to have her comic hairstyle".

I'm just saying there's a reasonable explanation for why people dislike elements of the design before jumping to (not so) subtle accusations of racism.
 
which mixes with racial politics about black women.

No it doesn't mix.

It just unfortunately in this case touches on the same "attributes". And that can be forced to be looked on as a "racial discussion", as seen by your comment.

(Not counting racists ofc. But people who want the character to look like in the comics for the sake of looking like in the comics)
 
I wonder if people would have been more upset if they straightened her hair to be closer to what the comic hair is like?

Would those people then disregard that she's playing a role and making her straighten her hair is not some insult to her natural hair?
 
I wonder if people would have been more upset if they straightened her hair to be closer to what the comic hair is like?

Would those people then disregard that she's playing a role and making her straighten her hair is not some insult to her natural hair?

It wouldn't be an insult any more than wearing a costume would be an insult to her regular clothes. It would be playing a part - it's what actors do.

Tom Holland couldn't play Peter Parker with shoulder length hair. Cutting it short to play Peter Parker wouldn't be an insult to long hair. Samuel L Jackson plays Nick Fury bald, like he appeared in the Ultimate comics - asking him to shave his head wouldn't be an insult to black hair.

They went with a look for Domino that they felt happy with. I think it's cool. But people aren't required to like it, or to not point out how it deviates from the comic design. Being upset, being fine with it, that's all valid.
 
Again, it's not about how there is a difference between movie and comic versions of a character design. It's about skin tone wanting to be chalk white and people not wanting the afro, which mixes with racial politics about black women. If no one brought up wanting chalk white skin or the afro to be gone, this thread wouldn't be as big.

I'm not sure how it would be possible to say I want the character to look like her comic version without it mixing racial politics if these are the "rules".
 
It wouldn't be an insult any more than wearing a costume would be an insult to her regular clothes. It would be playing a part - it's what actors do.

Tom Holland couldn't play Peter Parker with shoulder length hair. Cutting it short to play Peter Parker wouldn't be an insult to long hair. Samuel L Jackson plays Nick Fury bald, like he appeared in the Ultimate comics - asking him to shave his head wouldn't be an insult to black hair.

They went with a look for Domino that they felt happy with. I think it's cool. But people aren't required to like it, or to not point out how it deviates from the comic design. Being upset, being fine with it, that's all valid.

Correct, as long their complaints are valid mind you. I don't mind Domino's hair at all.
 
And if people are carefully explaining to you why there's more to it than "but mah comix" and you not only reject that possibility, but you take pains to place "but mah comix" above those concerns, then not only are you not learning, you're actively refusing to take any consideration into account beyond your superficial one.

That's the point I'm making. People are like "but mah comix," which is valid. And then other people are like "but here's why this matters in regards to her casting, and the look being adapted as a result of that." Instead of going "oh shit, I didn't consider that, these issues are things that obviously never occurred to me in the least and I'll think on it" what's happening is "I'm not a fuckin' racist how dare you this is bullshit lets get back to what's really important here, which isn't your racist whatever that is that doesn't even apply, what's important is mah comix."

And I mean, you can hold that stance, because it's a stance. It's not invalid or anything. It's just kinda weak in comparison.

Yeah, I made this mistake during the whole Ancient One discussion. Kept trying to push the whole comics thing and realized too late I wasn't considering people's feelings and just saw it no differently than a "Who would win: Batman vs Spider-Man" debate. Boy did I learn that day.

Looking at those Photoshops, I wouldn't mind if they went with that, but like I said earlier in the thread, I think audiences will find this Domino more palatable and believable, she's still just as striking imho.
 
"I wish she looked more like the comic" is a valid take.
"I don't wanna hear anything about it that goes any deeper than that and you need to stop bringing it up" is not as valid.

My response to this usually just ended up with me rephrasing what you said so: in short, I agree.

I think, in general, there's a lot of jumping to conclusions and not giving benefit of the doubt and seeing subtext that isn't there for both groups. Like, you see a post that says "meh, no chalk skin with black spot" and assume "I don't care about representation for black women in media." Or you see "being 100% comic accurate isn't really important" and assume "caring about comic costumes makes you a bad person."

And I'll be sure to note that they're not equivalent sins. They differ in size and degree by a wide margin. 90/10, even.

Considering the atmosphere in America, on the internet, and in fandoms in general, I totally understand. People jump straight to the sarcasm and eye rolls because this is a well-trodden road, and in 99% of circumstances, "Not white enough!" is racist as hell. We don't need to stop clapping because someone else is disappointed.

But the other way is true, too. There's room to feel good about a solid actress from an underrepresented group getting a cool role AND feel bad because it's not quite up to comic snuff. No need for people to butt heads about it.
 
To be fair, GAF had similar outrage when it was revealed that Copycat wasn't going to have blue skin/white hair. The accuracy was really important /s

Ther was outrage when it was revaled that Peter Parker doesn't get his suit the "right" way. People have been complaining about accuracy since comic movies were a thing.
 
This makes me think of Ghost in the Shell. People lost their minds when they made a Japanese character white. Yet the reverse doesn't hold true when it's a white person turned into another race.

I understand it's because white people dominate the market and thus it doesn't bother me to add diversity.

But it's still an interesting thing.
 
I don't really know much about this character from the comics, aside from what she looked like. But sure, why not? Though I would honestly kept the grey-bluey-white body paint, just because I think it would look visualy striking with this actress.
 
This makes me think of Ghost in the Shell. People lost their minds when they made a Japanese character white. Yet the reverse doesn't hold true when it's a white person turned into another race.

I understand it's because white people dominate the market and thus it doesn't bother me to add diversity.

But it's still an interesting thing.

Is it really all that interesting though when you understand why those situations aren't the same?
 

I saw this and just mumbled something to my friend.

Friend: "dude, are you seriously that pissed off about that casting? All you fucking internet trolls are ridiculous".

Pause. "I said 'I'd fuck the shit out of her...sorry for mumbling"

"Oh okay."
 
Good on 'em for surviving the Vancouver heat in fucking leather outfits right now. I'm in an air conditioned apartment and I'm still dying.
 
I saw this and just mumbled something to my friend.

Friend: "dude, are you seriously that pissed off about that casting? All you fucking internet trolls are ridiculous".

Pause. "I said 'I'd fuck the shit out of her...sorry for mumbling"

"Oh okay."

Well.. alright then.
 
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