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Dota 2 Beta Thread 2: Real Talk Discouraged [Magnus, Teams, 6.75b, 150+ Shop Items]

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I know its not "bad" to win a game with tons of support kills, but isn't that counter intuitive to their entire role?

I mean if a game keeps going on and you only have a fed lich and your carries have no farm, and they have hard carries, won't they easily start turning the game around?

I guess I'm at the point in the game where I'm still getting matched with guys slightly below me but whenever any support starts competing with my carry for last hits and goes for kills I could have gotten too, it just gets frustrating, because then I can't perform as well for my team.

Again, not to put you Lich carries on blast, if you can rock it, go for it, a win is a win.
 
Sing playing Sniper at the moment.

Sniper best carry confirmed.

(no srsly he's kind of beasting)

EDIT : Nope, I totally jinxed it. He's getting crushed now because of no escape mechanism.
 
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I definitely think I'll be playing more of Necrolyte in the future. Good damage, good heal, and great team sustain with sufficient farm. Just a really satisfying hero to play for me throughout the game, especially into middle and lategame where I'm contributing a ton of lasting power to teamfights.

Funniest moment had to be the Skeleton King sticking around on bottom lane too long, and giving up an Aegis, his ult, and then a real death. Didn't know when to walk away from a Necro with a Mek and plenty of Death Pulses to burn.

I know its not "bad" to win a game with tons of support kills, but isn't that counter intuitive to their entire role?

I mean if a game keeps going on and you only have a fed lich and your carries have no farm, and they have hard carries, won't they easily start turning the game around?

I guess I'm at the point in the game where I'm still getting matched with guys slightly below me but whenever any support starts competing with my carry for last hits and goes for kills I could have gotten too, it just gets frustrating, because then I can't perform as well for my team.

Again, not to put you Lich carries on blast, if you can rock it, go for it, a win is a win.
If they're actively fighting for your last hits and kills, then yeah, that's pretty bad. Lich doesn't need to steal creeps and kills to have a huge impact on a game, he just needs levels. Assist gold on top of those levels is wonderful.
 
Just played a game where every single person on my team was well spoken, kind, and stayed in communication the entire game.

We lost, but it was a fantastic match because of that. Probably the first pub game i've ever played with teammates like that.
 
Sing playing Sniper at the moment.

Sniper best carry confirmed.

(no srsly he's kind of beasting)

EDIT : Nope, I totally jinxed it. He's getting crushed now because of no escape mechanism.

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG he's still playing!!!

Glad I caught it. Needed a good stream to watch.
 
Blame Quantic for using Destiny to raise their profile.

Dont kid yourself that Quantic didnt know what Destiny was like before they offered him a spot on the team. He has never changed his behavour for any of the teams he has joined.
I see. I don't know anything about these pro teams. Was just passing along what I parsed from the TL thread.
 
Just played a game where every single person on my team was well spoken, kind, and stayed in communication the entire game.

We lost, but it was a fantastic match because of that. Probably the first pub game i've ever played with teammates like that.
I need these types of players on my team. I have no idea what I'm doing right or wrong when I play. lol
 
What seems to be overlooked by many players is that lich can fill nearly any lane position except jungler. I think this contributes a lot to why he is the highest winning hero, along with a powerful ultimate. I've been in countless games that were lost just because some idiot picked a jungler as the fifth pick or 4 melee and messed up the lanes.

He can mid, duo, tri lane, solo lane all very very well.
 
Just went Tide ez build.

Shivas, Boots of Travel, Tranquil Boots, Treads, Arcane Treads, and Aegis.

When I first stole the aegis our FV was so mad, and I mean SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO mad that he went afk for 10 minutes. No problem, SF and I ulted them to the grave. He then came back again and got an aegis, but SF destroyed the cheese. Then on our last attempt, I stole the aegis again and won the match.

Final score was 5/6/41
 
I just finished a 65 minute match where I went 7/17/17 or something, my most deaths in a game. We we getting our asses kicked for so long, but we actually managed to dent their ancient a bit. Sadly it ended when a single siege tank threw a lone rock right before our AM killed it. If we pulled it off, it would have been a comeback for the ages. Still a fun game no matter what though, we should have lost at 30 min but fought back tooth and nail.

Here are some amusing videos I found:
No one is safe from Necro
Chain ult fail
Beware of flying Tidehunters

Also best carry = Lich
 
Is that Dota 2 stats site safe to sign up for? It looks kinda dodgy to me because it's so basic haha.

Anybody else signed in on there and what do you get to see more then you already do?

And also, does a refresher orb work on hand of midas?
 
Pro Tip: You can taunt with Shadow Demon by using Shadow Poison Release.

ShadowDemonVictory.gif


For added effect, copy and paste "VICTORY" while doing it.



Also, looking at random models, the back of the Aegis has the Dota logo on it:
aegis.jpg



Also, it seems Crystal Maiden is training to be the next Anti Mage.


CMasANTIMAGE.gif
 
Cant wait for Ogre Magi, then I can get down to the nitty gritty of dreaming about Baby Blacksmith costumes for it ( SINCE S2 ARE DICKS AND NEVER MADE ONE!!)

4x Multicast AHOY!
 
Pro Tip: You can taunt with Shadow Demon by using Shadow Poison Release.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3496710/Dotapics/ShadowDemonVictory.gif[img]

For added effect, copy and paste "VICTORY" while doing it.



Also, looking at random models, the back of the Aegis has the Dota logo on it:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3496710/Dotapics/aegis.jpg[img]


Also, it seems Crystal Maiden is training to be the next Anti Mage.


[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3496710/Dotapics/CMasANTIMAGE.gif

I think this'll be interesting. By the looks of it on items known so far, we've seen specific hero items. Wonder if they'll all be compatible with every hero (Though I have no idea why you would ever want to be a melee hero as CM).
 
Not for four months.

I'm getting the feeling that the Dota 2 team might have lost some of its members to another project. I'm going to be happy if Valve keeps up with the 1 hero every 2 weeks they've been recently rocking.
They were obviously also working on the new UI, the drops and the team system.
 
Besides the obvious phantom lancer, I would really like to see their card ui or whatever they're working on taken to the next stage, along with cosmetic items. Would also like to see a solo queue option.

no patch
 
Just had a bar show up next to the power icon on the top right. Dota View Ignore Dota View accept were the options after clicking it.

Seems like it's the item distribution. Basically how TF2 works. Can't wait to see items!
 
Just had a bar show up next to the power icon on the top right. Dota View Ignore Dota View accept were the options after clicking it.

Seems like it's the item distribution. Basically how TF2 works. Can't wait to see items!

Yeah, brings up the store, backpack, workshop, loadout, and the like.

In the loadout area there is a place for suggesting heroes for your team and some other stuff. Show that card crap too.

I only have 1 item. :(
 
Fuck sake, Darer were one of the few teams that could take on Navi, what happened?

http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/19436-ns-and-dread-about-to-leave-darer

The lineup of Darer is falling apart. NS and Dread are about to accept an offer from a different team. According to NS, a rumored disagreement between God and him concerning a woman is not the reason for the problems.

Apparently, the lineup of team Darer will exist no longer in the current form. Darer's player Yaroslav 'NS' Kuznetsov has stated on his VK account, he and Dread have responded to an offer from a different sponsor. VK is a very popular social network in Russian speaking countries. As a reason for the disbanding, NS names a difference in opinion with Artstyle: "Me and Dread were dissatisfied with Artstyle's game, Artstyle was dissatisfied with us."

Darer played the StarSeries finals in Kiev last weekend. Though starting the tournament as second placed seed, the team lost two best-of-threes against CLG and Moscow Five, finishing only in fourth place. A change in Darer's lineup was already rumored before NS's public statement on VK. Though, instead of different judgements of playing performance by Artstyle, NS and Dread, it was a story about God and NS being in love with the same girl.

NS wanted to leave anyway

NS however denies that this played a role in his decision: "It has basically nothing to do with her, it's absolutely not her fault." Instead, for NS the teams' performance in Kiev was the final straw: "I was going to leave DARER even before the Star Ladder finals, just needed to finish the tournament. Our extremly bad perfomance summed up my decision." According to NS, Dread will follow his path after Darer. An official confirmation of a roster change for Darer has not been made yet.

On the surface- management/performance issues..
Rumors- teammates fighting between a girl...
 
Is that Dota 2 stats site safe to sign up for? It looks kinda dodgy to me because it's so basic haha.

Anybody else signed in on there and what do you get to see more then you already do?

And also, does a refresher orb work on hand of midas?
Which site is this?
 
Is that Dota 2 stats site safe to sign up for? It looks kinda dodgy to me because it's so basic haha.

Anybody else signed in on there and what do you get to see more then you already do?

And also, does a refresher orb work on hand of midas?

It actually signs you in through steam so that part is legit. You then have to make an account on the site. Just make sure you make the password for that account different from your steam one and then you have nothing to worry about.
 
I think this'll be interesting. By the looks of it on items known so far, we've seen specific hero items. Wonder if they'll all be compatible with every hero (Though I have no idea why you would ever want to be a melee hero as CM).

There are very few items that work across Multiple heroes in the Alien Swarm Model Viewer, and even fewer that look right. Anti Mage's blades is one that will draw on a good number of people, and look somewhat right.


Also, Blood Seeker's Mask fits Dazzle:
dazzlethebloodseaker.jpg
 
Pretty much since day 1 I've been getting constant disconnects. Average of about a dozen in the first 10 minutes. I've looked through everything in Steam I could think of and Dota 2 is being allowed through my Windows firewall settings but it still keeps happening. Anybody else heard about anyone else having this problem. Really making it difficult to learn how to play with this happening.


Edit: Day 1 for me being 2 or 3 months ago when I got into the beta.
 
Sand King on Purge's stream has 422 last hits (and this isn't a pub). The power of Caustic Finale, kirb!

I didn't say it was a bad skill, I just don't like it as an Orb. I want both Caustic Finale and Mana Burn, is my stupid request so much to ask for?


Though there are games when I have gotten stuck in a solo lane against two ranged characters, and just went "Screw Caustic, I need stats". But that is my defalut "Oh god why am I in a solo lane as x" tactic.
 
Pretty much since day 1 I've been getting constant disconnects. Average of about a dozen in the first 10 minutes. I've looked through everything in Steam I could think of and Dota 2 is being allowed through my Windows firewall settings but it still keeps happening. Anybody else heard about anyone else having this problem. Really making it difficult to learn how to play with this happening.

That's... pretty nuts. Try looking through here and if you don't find a solution, try posting a thread regarding your issues.
 
For the people goofing around with the model viewer: did you have any problems getting it to work? I followed these instructions to the letter, yet every time I try and open a file I get an "error loading file" message.
 
I didn't say it was a bad skill, I just don't like it as an Orb. I want both Caustic Finale and Mana Burn, is my stupid request so much to ask for?

Though there are games when I have gotten stuck in a solo lane against two ranged characters, and just went "Screw Caustic, I need stats". But that is my defalut "Oh god why am I in a solo lane as x" tactic.
Yes, given the Finale is stupid imba as it is (not that I'm asking for it to be nerfed, mind!).

As for a 1v2 lane, you've certainly different options depending on who you're up against. Sandstorm could be good if you're not up against ground stuns or Track/Amp Damage. Might also be worthwhile stacking and pulling to bring the wave closer to the tower (though if all you've got to work with is the Ancient Camp, that could be tricky).
 
This is also assuming you don't get stuck soloing the hard lane.

I still ended up with the most kills/least deaths and stupid tanky, but I couldn't keep that up forever, and our carry never got good.
 
So I know you can create custom loadouts of recommended item lists, but is there any way to permanently change the default list for each hero?
 
So I know you can create custom loadouts of recommended item lists, but is there any way to permanently change the default list for each hero?

I just did that today, changed items and clicked on the right save button which let me name the build I did. Restarted the game and it was there permanently when I change the item list.
 
If your team doesn't agree to a rotation or won't gank to help you out, you've got bigger problems than being on a 1v2 lane. One of the things I really enjoy in dota is being lumped with a suicide lane on a team of friends, because I know I can at least get a lot of solo XP and that my team will try to get trades elsewhere. When I call for a rotation or a gank, they'll generally help out. When I'm in that environment and can at least get a lot of levels, then I have faith that I can earn a lot of that lost gold back when the map opens up with teamfights and pushes. If you're in that situation as an SK and can't move, then yeah, I can see why you'd favor Stats over Finale, especially to get your mana up in the absence of Arcane Boots. As for getting stupidly tanky when your carry is struggling, I think it'd be better to pour your farm into some items that improve your and his physical damage impact on teamfights (ie Assault Cuirass, Vlad's if he's a melee carry, etc).
 
The critical bugs forum just went up on the dev forums, so patch notes might be up soon.
 
Just played Crystal Maiden. She's so fun. Literally shut down a Huskar so bad, that he went mid. Didn't help I helped myself to Vengeful Spirit too.

Also, Aegis stealing at work again!! This time the DK wasn't so mad. He was just laughing it off.

And I took down their AM all by myself too. With a little help from creeps being cool enough to drop him to like 50% HP, then I just come and freeze, Frost Nova him, then ult. Good times :P
 
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