Hylian7 said:Happens to me every time, even in games without bots. I also get occasional "source stutters" in game, but it's not that bad.
Speaking of picking, is All Pick the only one available right now, or are the other modes hidden somewhere else?
More importantly, how do you access the console in this game? The ~ key does not work and I can't find an "enable developer console" option anywhere.x3r0123 said:net_graph 1
make an autoexec file and it automatically load the desired settings when you launch the game
I'm curious to see a Tiny bot. Enjoy getting tossed into all 5 members of the other team.dave is ok said:Zeus bot sucks when he's on your team, and kills you from the other side of the map every time you get low when he's on the other team.
Hylian7 said:More importantly, how do you access the console in this game? The ~ key does not work and I can't find an "enable developer console" option anywhere.
net_graph 1 Displays network information such as fps and ping.
dota_camera_accelerate 49 This will make the camera stop exactly where you want it, 0 will make you unable to move your camera. Thanks uw_NB and Pyros.
dota_force_right_click_attack 1 This will enable right click deny.
dota_minimap_hero_size 600 changes the hero marker size in minimap
dota_hud_health_bars 3 0 = disable hp bars, 1 = no dividing blocks in the healthbar, 3 = the default with the blocks
dota_health_per_vertical_marker 250 changes the block size in health bars, 250 = new block every 250 hp
I think BatRider's ult is basically Rampages ult, but he doesn't share anything else as far as I knowAbortedWalrusFetus said:I think when I start playing Dota 2 after playing HoN for so long there are going to be some heroes I will miss a lot. Particularly Rhapsody, Armadon, Tremble, Rampage (although I could swear he was copied from a Dota char, it's just been too long) and a few others. Some of the newer heroes in HoN, like Cthuluphant are pretty damn clever. I almost hope valve takes a page out of S2's book and basically just copies them, haha. Rhapsody is by far my favorite support in HoN.
Aesthet1c said:Also because abilities cost so much mana, there seems to be less harrassing in the early game. It's also alot easier to get caught over extending than LoL, and tower damage on heroes is a lot lower.
Not really true at all.Aesthet1c said:Also, last hitting is alot harder than LoL, it will take some practice, I'm also not great at denying, I probably deny like 5-10 creeps in a game. Overall damage seems slower in Dota, but stuns and snares seem to last longer. Also because abilities cost so much mana, there seems to be less harrassing in the early game. It's also alot easier to get caught over extending than LoL, and tower damage on heroes is a lot lower.
What does the S key do in LoL? I haven't touched that game in a long time.dave is ok said:I prefer the last hitting mechanics in DOTA. I found myself spamming the S key in LoL yesterday
Nothing. I just kept thinking I could stop my autoattack like it does in DOTAHylian7 said:What does the S key do in LoL? I haven't touched that game in a long time.
Ohhh, you can turn off autoattacking in Dota 2 though. Definitely the nicer option. I really hated the way HoN's autoattack was.dave is ok said:Nothing. I just kept thinking I could stop my autoattack like it does in DOTA
AbortedWalrusFetus said:I think when I start playing Dota 2 after playing HoN for so long there are going to be some heroes I will miss a lot. Particularly Rhapsody, Armadon, Tremble, Rampage (although I could swear he was copied from a Dota char, it's just been too long) and a few others. Some of the newer heroes in HoN, like Cthuluphant are pretty damn clever. I almost hope valve takes a page out of S2's book and basically just copies them, haha. Rhapsody is by far my favorite support in HoN.
Setreal said:There are still a lot of heroes from Dota 1 that haven't been ported over to Dota 2 yet.
Well I'm just saying these are my early impressions. I'm sure I could be wrong on alot of my accounts. But it just seemed that way to me. I was playing Windrunner and I would OOM after firing off two or three of her arrows. And nobody was really using their abilities either, just focusing on last hitting and denying. The only way I really harassed was attacking the melee champs that went in for their last hits. Maybe we were all playing really passive, but from a LoL players perspective there is alot more ability spamming and harrassing in the early game than what I have seen in Dota so far.Ikuu said:Not really true at all.
Aesthet1c said:Well I'm just saying these are my early impressions. I'm sure I could be wrong on alot of my accounts. But it just seemed that way to me. I was playing Windrunner and I would OOM after firing off two or three of her arrows. And nobody was really using their abilities either, just focusing on last hitting and denying. The only way I really harassed was attacking the melee champs that went in for their last hits. Maybe we were all playing really passive, but from a LoL players perspective there is alot more ability spamming and harrassing in the early game than what I have seen in Dota so far.
Thanks.x3r0123 said:net_graph 1
make an autoexec file and it automatically load the desired settings when you launch the game
Aesthet1c said:Well I'm just saying these are my early impressions. I'm sure I could be wrong on alot of my accounts. But it just seemed that way to me. I was playing Windrunner and I would OOM after firing off two or three of her arrows. And nobody was really using their abilities either, just focusing on last hitting and denying. The only way I really harassed was attacking the melee champs that went in for their last hits. Maybe we were all playing really passive, but from a LoL players perspective there is alot more ability spamming and harrassing in the early game than what I have seen in Dota so far.
Brettison said:I'm not in yet, but some of my LoL crew got in this weekend. I was asking one of them about it last night, and he seemed to echo your sentiments. He never said the game was hard per say, but that things did play out differently. He said games seemed to go at a slower pace, towers seemed to do a lot less damage, and there seemed to be a bigger focus on last hits and denying with creeps verses players going at it in the early game at least.
Yeah tower damage was another big change. One of my first matches I was Drow going against Pudge at mid, and he has full health and I had like 1/4 health. He tower dived me at like level 5. I thought for sure I would be safe under my tower and I just stayed and attacked him. Needless to say he killed me, he took like at least 6-7 hits from my tower, along with me attacking him and he still walked away with like 1/3 of his life.Brettison said:I'm not in yet, but some of my LoL crew got in this weekend. I was asking one of them about it last night, and he seemed to echo your sentiments. He never said the game was hard per say, but that things did play out differently. He said games seemed to go at a slower pace, towers seemed to do a lot less damage, and there seemed to be a bigger focus on last hits and denying with creeps verses players going at it in the early game at least.
Thank you for the help!Procarbine said:Lich can spam pretty well because of sacrifice, as archie mentioned, as can Zues with his arc lightning because of it's very low mana cost.
It's not crazy to think that though, you certainly can't spam as much, so at first glance it might seem that way. Harass in dota and hon early in laning comes from auto attacks, it just takes a little bit of experience to know when you can do it safely. Most newer players will play passively in lanes because they don't know whether or not they're able to step up without getting killed. Once you get a better feel for the game and the items you'll know when it's safe to apply pressure and when it isn't.
With regard to skill spamming, you can get items to help yourself maintain mana. Basilius is a good choice, passive aoe mana regen for allies, Arcane Boots gives you an active aoe mana regen, and Soul Ring lets you burn some health for a temporary mana boost.
Also, some of the famously spammy heroes from DotA haven't made it into the Dota2 beta yet. Bristleback with his quills, Ezalor with his mana battery skill, and Obsidian Destroyer with his essence aura, which is a chance to regenerate a percentage of your max mana on spellcast, haven't been added yet.
Early roaming and ganking are a big part of the play in high level dota, and certain lanes if played properly will give you a ton of kills. Newer players will almost always play passively though. It is correct to say that very early there is less action, because this game doesn't have summoner spells.
I'd say the opposite. Summoner spells in league has stifled the competitive meta game into a defensive farming game during the laning phase. A defensive summoner spell used in retaliation to an offensive summoned spell almost always means the defender wins, which is partly why league games have such low kill counts.Procarbine said:Lich can spam pretty well because of sacrifice, as archie mentioned, as can Zues with his arc lightning because of it's very low mana cost.
It's not crazy to think that though, you certainly can't spam as much, so at first glance it might seem that way. Harass in dota and hon early in laning comes from auto attacks, it just takes a little bit of experience to know when you can do it safely. Most newer players will play passively in lanes because they don't know whether or not they're able to step up without getting killed. Once you get a better feel for the game and the items you'll know when it's safe to apply pressure and when it isn't.
With regard to skill spamming, you can get items to help yourself maintain mana. Basilius is a good choice, passive aoe mana regen for allies, Arcane Boots gives you an active aoe mana regen, and Soul Ring lets you burn some health for a temporary mana boost.
Also, some of the famously spammy heroes from DotA haven't made it into the Dota2 beta yet. Bristleback with his quills, Ezalor with his mana battery skill, and Obsidian Destroyer with his essence aura, which is a chance to regenerate a percentage of your max mana on spellcast, haven't been added yet.
Early roaming and ganking are a big part of the play in high level dota, and certain lanes if played properly will give you a ton of kills. Newer players will almost always play passively though. It is correct to say that very early there is less action, because this game doesn't have summoner spells.
I don't know that much about LoL and it's early game, but something that I notice when playing with new dota players is that they tend to get low hp during lane play and forgetting to use regen items. In dota it's really important to stay at high hp early on, if you take some light damage, use a tango. If you survive a gank, use that healing salve. If you run out of regen items, send some more with chicken and stay back while you wait for it. The faster you get up your hp again, the better. New players tend to forget that you can easily die from 2 spells and a few auto-attacks at 3/4-1/2 hp early on in the game.Aesthet1c said:Yeah tower damage was another big change. One of my first matches I was Drow going against Pudge at mid, and he has full health and I had like 1/4 health. He tower dived me at like level 5. I thought for sure I would be safe under my tower and I just stayed and attacked him. Needless to say he killed me, he took like at least 6-7 hits from my tower, along with me attacking him and he still walked away with like 1/3 of his life.
kazabi said:I don't know that much about LoL and it's early game, but something that I notice when playing with new dota players is that they tend to get low hp during lane play and forgetting to use regen items. In dota it's really important to stay at high hp early on, if you take some light damage, use a tango. If you survive a gank, use that healing salve. If you run out of regen items, send some more with chicken and stay back while you wait for it. The faster you get up your hp again, the better. New players tend to forget that you can easily die from 2 spells and a few auto-attacks at 3/4-1/2 hp early on in the game.
NP your on page 2, don't have to see it again.ReconYoda said:Yay bloated OP. At least we have a OT now.
I think this would be too long, I'll add a link to the Steam group in the OP, or everyone can join the NeoGaf channel, I however cannot join the channel as it crashes my Dota 2, if you would like to play with me, just add me on steam, Sebulon3kForkball said:You should put a list of GAFfers in the beta in the OP so we can meet up.
Ah I must've looked wrong, I wrote most of this OP late at night so I was super tired, but after playing both of them extensively I feel like Tinker would work better in the early -> mid game as a Ganker because of the Boots of Travel refresh, as well as his nuke damage, and Slardar is almost always expected to initiate, but I did try to explain multi-role heroes in the description.Nirolak said:Yeah, Tinker is listed as a Carry and Slardar as a Ganker.
Oh I saw these when I was writing the descriptions, and was going to add them to the heroes that had a guide done, but then as I was going through it I realized a lot weren't completed yet, so I didn't bother looking again. I'll edit and add them in, but the guides I'm talking about is geared more towards the roles, for example;Lactose_Intolerant said:http://www.youtube.com/user/DotaCinema has some nice hero overviews.
Sebulon3k said:NP your on page 2, don't have to see it again.
I think this would be too long, I'll add a link to the Steam group in the OP, or everyone can join the NeoGaf channel, I however cannot join the channel as it crashes my Dota 2, if you would like to play with me, just add me on steam, Sebulon3k
Ah I must've looked wrong, I wrote most of this OP late at night so I was super tired, but after playing both of them extensively I feel like Tinker would work better in the early -> mid game as a Ganker because of the Boots of Travel refresh, as well as his nuke damage, and Slardar is almost always expected to initiate, but I did try to explain multi-role heroes in the description.
What? S stops you from moving and from auto-attacking in LoL. Watch the Wukong champion spotlight, Phreak spends some time talking about using it for jukes.dave is ok said:Nothing. I just kept thinking I could stop my autoattack like it does in DOTA
ReconYoda said:Yay bloated OP. At least we have a OT now.
The Competitive games are played in Captains Mode, which is pretty much Banning Pick from HoN, not sure if LoL has an equivalent, but it allows you to ban certain heroes from being picked, I'd assume the Matchmaking system is AP just because new heroes don't get put into the CM pool until a week after release currently in the beta, and they don't want to split an already small pool of players into two different MatchMaking groups.Ridli said:Yeah I've been curious whether or not Valve was going to implement any Radiant/Dire affiliations. I don't know enough of old school Dota to determine if all pick was standard for competitive play or if they just enabled it at the moment due to the limited amount of heroes.
A lot of those items are fairly safe pick ups, but generally if your playing a hero that has to cast spells and doesn't have a natural way to regain mana ( i.e Lich Sacrifice skill ) then you want to pick up some clarities, Iron Branches for stats and so you can build it into a Magic Wand, a Salve, and tangos.Ridli said:How do people like the core/starter item recommendations in the Dota2 wiki though? Items are one of the things I worry too much about with a new hero, so it's nice to know if the recommended info is "good enough."
*sometimesWrekt said:What? S stops you from moving and from auto-attacking in LoL. Watch the Wukong champion spotlight, Phreak spends some time talking about using it for jukes.
You have to keep hitting it, don't you? I thought holding it didn't work.Cheeto said:*sometimes
try standing next to a creep wave and holding S
Yeah I think so, which is why I switch Stop and Hold position on my bindings, stop is pretty useless in a dota-like game while hold position is extremely usefulHylian7 said:You have to keep hitting it, don't you? I thought holding it didn't work.
Ultimoo said:Tinker is a ganker early-mid game. He only becomes carry late game if he gets amazing farm. That's what you're supposed to do with Tinker, gank because he has the highest single target nukes in the game.
I believe they are identical, there hasn't been any significant changes to Pharoah after he was ported.Pinko Marx said:For the HoN players out there, how does Clockwerk compare to Pharoah?
I've been playing him lately in HoN and kicking ass.
For extra fun lane with a slither/venomance. Poison spray, wall, then just destroy him. Its damn near unfuckwithable.
Halycon said:I believe they are identical, there hasn't been any significant changes to Pharoah after he was ported.
If you successfully gank you've made up the experience lost from the lane, if you kill a hero you've gained an entire wave of creeps in gold and more importantly killed an enemy hero, if your team is side pushing lanes and facing opposition from the enemy team, and forced into bad fights, while the Tinker is farming BoTs mid, your going to lose the game.mr. puppy said:no. your goal, and only goal, with tinker is to get boots of travel. your job is to stay mid, farm, and have allies push a side lane to get him tower money so he can get to boots. you cannot run around the map early on and hope to win big with ganks while you let middle farm out. i'm aware he has the highest damage nukes, but if you run around ganking you're falling behind in levels and the character is completely useless without items later on.
Clockwerk is currently bugged in the beta, his ultimate will hit anything including buildings, or allied creeps, and neutrals, I would highly avoid playing him.Halycon said:I believe they are identical, there hasn't been any significant changes to Pharoah after he was ported.
His second skill is different.Pinko Marx said:Okay one more question. How about Dazzle compared to Demented Sham?
Identical except for Shallow Grave vs Unbreakable.Pinko Marx said:Okay one more question. How about Dazzle compared to Demented Sham?