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[Hystzen]

The expansion is going be the Grey Warden war mentioned in the epilogue and how Weisnphaut (or how ever it spelled) has gone dark.

It same end didn't give a choice of what do after Corphyeus defeat like evil choice go to conquer Thedas, or good dissolve the inquisition or other choices depending on choices you made during game

 

[Schweinehund]

At first I thought solas left at the end because I didn't do his companion quest...

Then that post credits scene. Jesus. Really shines a new light onto his character. Always thought he was too reasonable about most things. Really makes me want to go back to DAO and DA2 and brush up on my elven lore.

Already plotting my next playthrough. I enjoyed this DA, only thing that I disliked were how the sidequests were pretty much fetch quests and non existent story wise. The only satisfying one I did was crestwood's main one and western approach's time frozen dungeon.

 

[Corpekata]

Weishaupt is in the Southern Anderfals (and thus near Tevinter) so I'm betting that'll be in the next game. I don't know if they'd so quickly want to revisit Grey Warden infighting after it taking up a big chunk of the plot already.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

The expansion is going be the Grey Warden war mentioned in the epilogue and how Weisnphaut (or how ever it spelled) has gone dark.

It same end didn't give a choice of what do after Corphyeus defeat like evil choice go to conquer Thedas, or good dissolve the inquisition or other choices depending on choices you made during game

There was no Grey Warden war in my epilogue that I recall. It just mentioned that nobody knows if Hawke reached the place they were going with the wardens, and that without a proper leader that they started to fade and that the order might be dying.

But you know.. my Warden is still live. So you know.

 

[Schweinehund]

There was no Grey Warden war in my epilogue that I recall. It just mentioned that nobody knows if Hawke reached the place they were going with the wardens, and that without a proper leader that they started to fade and that the order might be dying.

But you know.. my Warden is still live. So you know.

I let the wardens stay, said they started a civil war with the weisshaupt ones because they disagreed about cooperating with nations (my wardens wanted to be on more friendly terms/more open with all nations than be reclusive). I'm interested in seeing all the possible results.

 

[HP_Wuvcraft]

I dunno, Solas seems like such an obvious attempt at another go at a Morrigan storyline I feel like they have to finish it with the Inqusitor, and not whatever random role you're in next time.

DA4 generally I'm expecting a big time skip. You pretty much are vastly altering the world in DAI. I don't know how they'd take all that into account if they stick to the current time frame. I guess sticking to Tevinter and ignoring that you've possibly altered world religions and multiple huge powers could mitigate it some.

We're already almost halfway through the Dragon Age, as well.

 

[Gvaz]

Okay so someone explain the ending to me

Solas is really potentially possessed by the dread wolf, and flemeth is mythal some ancient god, so what happened to solas??

where did corypeus go to?

the ending gave me more questions than i had going into it

 

[Corpekata]

Cory is dead. Solas isn't possesed, he's flat out the Dread Wolf of old.

Flemeth has Mythal as an aspect of her but it does not appear to be her end all be all.

 

[Felspawn]

is he really dead? or just trapped in the fade, presumably a place where he cant swap into another body.

 

[Ralemont]

Solas is really potentially possessed by the dread wolf, and flemeth is mythal some ancient god, so what happened to solas??

Solas as far as we know is the Dread Wolf, though I suppose he could simply be an elf who fused with Fen'Harel's soul the same way Flemeth and Mythal did.

It appears Solas absorbed Mythal at the end.

where did corypeus go to?

Know that Mark of the Rift move where you disintegrate demons and send their remains to the Fade? Yeah...

is he really dead? or just trapped in the fade, presumably a place where he cant swap into another body.

He's dead, if all we ended up doing was trapping him in the Fade there would have been no need to take out his dragon thus disabling his body swapping.

 

[Gvaz]

He's dead, if all we ended up doing was trapping him in the Fade there would have been no need to take out his dragon thus disabling his body swapping.

Or maybe it was the orb preventing such an action?

 

[Hystzen]

is he really dead? or just trapped in the fade, presumably a place where he cant swap into another body.

Corphyeus wanted to enter fade so trapping him in it would be giving him the keys to god hood.

 

[jgwhiteus]

Paying attention to the dialogue on a second play-through is interesting. Solas still doesn't reveal much, but his backstory makes a lot more sense given what you know of his identity. Blackwall's conversation and banter is loaded with awkward pauses when you or any of your companions ask him about his time with the Wardens, which I didn't notice my first time through.

I ignored Solas as soon as i could drop him, and now you guys are telling all kinds of cool stories about him.

WTF?

In my game he just left after being all pouty over the orb.
No Flemeth showdown or nothing...

Should i keep him around in my second playthrough? I was planning on being the dedicated mage on that one

Wait, you didn't see the scene with him and Flemeth? It's post-credits, and I don't think it matters how much you've used him in your party (I didn't use him much either) - everyone should be able to see it.

 

[TheHall]

I ignored Solas as soon as i could drop him, and now you guys are telling all kinds of cool stories about him.

WTF?

In my game he just left after being all pouty over the orb.
No Flemeth showdown or nothing...

Should i keep him around in my second playthrough? I was planning on being the dedicated mage on that one

 

[JeffG]

I ignored Solas as soon as i could drop him, and now you guys are telling all kinds of cool stories about him.

WTF?

In my game he just left after being all pouty over the orb.
No Flemeth showdown or nothing...

Should i keep him around in my second playthrough? I was planning on being the dedicated mage on that one

Did you stay until the end of the credits?

 

[Ralemont]

I guess now's as good a time as any to share my thoughts on Solas with you guys:

I think it's clear that both Solas and Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. His actions from the very moment you meet him are all about closing Rifts and Breaches, and he approves whenever you activate Elven artifacts to strengthen the Veil. The reasoning I think is clear here: the Breach isn't truly a fusing of Fade and reality into one world like Solas would want. It's only demons who are attracted to Rifts and Breaches, or perhaps it's more correct to say Spirits become demons when they do so? Anyway, the Breach is pretty much the opposite of how Solas would want the worlds to become one.

We see in the Fade that the Breach was an accident, as the explosion only happened after Cory lost the orb and it ended up fused with the Inquisitor. By extension it's logical to assume that even Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. This is supported by the exposition that the orb is a key for an Eluvian, not some sort of Veil nuke.

Solas wants to bring back the Elven Gods (I think, this is of course vague and up for interpretation). Corypheus wants to enter the Golden City. Solas can't use the orb himself as he's too weak so he gives it to Corypheus. Can we conclude from this that what is actually in the Black City are the trapped Elven Gods? And that Corypheus' plan from the start was what Morrigan thought: to enter the Eluvian world and thereby access the Black City physically?

 

[TheHall]

Did you stay until the end of the credits?

Oh nooooo

I went to feed the baby....

I'll redo the battle i guess

 

[Ralemont]

Oh nooooo

I went to feed the baby....

I'll redo the battle i guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0EyFJjPpD0

 

[TheHall]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0EyFJjPpD0

Or that!

Great, now i can start my "being a complete dick to the world" playthrough

 

[Hystzen]

I guess now's as good a time as any to share my thoughts on Solas with you guys:

I think it's clear that both Solas and Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. His actions from the very moment you meet him are all about closing Rifts and Breaches, and he approves whenever you activate Elven artifacts to strengthen the Veil. The reasoning I think is clear here: the Breach isn't truly a fusing of Fade and reality into one world like Solas would want. It's only demons who are attracted to Rifts and Breaches, or perhaps it's more correct to say Spirits become demons when they do so? Anyway, the Breach is pretty much the opposite of how Solas would want the worlds to become one.

We see in the Fade that the Breach was an accident, as the explosion only happened after Cory lost the orb and it ended up fused with the Inquisitor. By extension it's logical to assume that even Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. This is supported by the exposition that the orb is a key for an Eluvian, not some sort of Veil nuke.

Solas wants to bring back the Elven Gods (I think, this is of course vague and up for interpretation). Corypheus wants to enter the Golden City. Solas can't use the orb himself as he's too weak so he gives it to Corypheus. Can we conclude from this that what is actually in the Black City are the trapped Elven Gods? And that Corypheus' plan from the start was what Morrigan thought: to enter the Eluvian world and thereby access the Black City physically?

I wonder if the crossroads Morrigan mentioned past the Eluvian is the City itself. She said it not the fade or real world but in between. Which why at end we see Flemeth trying get through Eluvian and needed the elven orb as key.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

It's frustrating how many important elements were introduced in the last couple of hours of the game. The eluvian introduction is really cool, but kind of doesn't go anywhere; it's just presented and then used as a macguffin. The whole Fen'Harel/Mythal thing is brought to the forefront in like... the third to last mission, and while I know the Dread Wolf has always been part of the lore it's still very hastily made part of this story.

It's especially amusing that Flemeth shows up to deliver exposition about Mythal by walking all the way across an obvious boss arena. The last act of this game feels completely slapped together.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I guess now's as good a time as any to share my thoughts on Solas with you guys:

I think it's clear that both Solas and Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. His actions from the very moment you meet him are all about closing Rifts and Breaches, and he approves whenever you activate Elven artifacts to strengthen the Veil. The reasoning I think is clear here: the Breach isn't truly a fusing of Fade and reality into one world like Solas would want. It's only demons who are attracted to Rifts and Breaches, or perhaps it's more correct to say Spirits become demons when they do so? Anyway, the Breach is pretty much the opposite of how Solas would want the worlds to become one.

We see in the Fade that the Breach was an accident, as the explosion only happened after Cory lost the orb and it ended up fused with the Inquisitor. By extension it's logical to assume that even Corypheus did not want the Breach to happen. This is supported by the exposition that the orb is a key for an Eluvian, not some sort of Veil nuke.

Solas wants to bring back the Elven Gods (I think, this is of course vague and up for interpretation). Corypheus wants to enter the Golden City. Solas can't use the orb himself as he's too weak so he gives it to Corypheus. Can we conclude from this that what is actually in the Black City are the trapped Elven Gods? And that Corypheus' plan from the start was what Morrigan thought: to enter the Eluvian world and thereby access the Black City physically?

I don't know if we can conclude that the Elven Gods are in the Black City. They're trapped somewhere sure, and that is a strong possibility but X does not necessarily equal Y. We need more information. I see Corypheus' goal was always to trick Solas and 'become a god' via any means necessary. Solas simply discovered he wasn't going to help him do his mission, not to mention caused all this bad shit to happen irl.

 

[LX_Theo]

I noticed a comment on my second playthrough from Solas about how he seemed really into the idea of combining the real world and the fade (unrelated TV Show 2nd Season Spoiler -

Spoiler

Legend of Korra

style).

I really get the feeling that Solas wants to combine the two worlds, and Corypheus offered to do just that while seeking his goals. Problems probably arose in how Corypheus went about doing it. It was probably too destructive to reach the conclusion Solas wanted. His despair over the orb breaking makes me think he still had plans for it.

His support of closing the rifts and strengthening the veil feel more like a way of making amends. A stronger veil could actually have helped him achieve the method of fusing the worlds safely for all we know.

 

[JeffG]

The eluvian introduction is really cool, but kind of doesn't go anywhere;

It actually exists in all DA's. The Dalish Elf intro story in Origins and Merril in DA2.

(Also, Morrigans DLC for Origins)

 

[Felspawn]

Corphyeus wanted to enter fade so trapping him in it would be giving him the keys to god hood.

agreed which is why it seemed weird to me when i watched it. I'll just assume hes dead

 

[Ralemont]

I don't know if we can conclude that the Elven Gods are in the Black City. They're trapped somewhere sure, and that is a strong possibility but X does not necessarily equal Y. We need more information. I see Corypheus' goal was always to trick Solas and 'become a god' via any means necessary. Solas simply discovered he wasn't going to help him do his mission, not to mention caused all this bad shit to happen irl.

I agree there's some missing pieces here. For instance Corypheus says the City was already black when the Tevinters opened the gates. Solas must know this. Surely it wasn't his intent for Cory to actually open the gates. A possible scenario is that Solas gave Cory the orb and told him it was a way to enter the Black City when it was actually the key to where the Elven Gods are (again, assuming Solas actually wants to bring them back which isn't certain at all. He's the one who sealed them after all, and all he says is that "the people" need him). This theory would suggest the Elven Gods aen't in the Black City. Since the orb is never actually used as a key (and presumably can't be until the anchor rejoins with it) we don't know where it leads.

There's also the question of how the Blight plays into this. The first Blight happened when the Tevinters opened the gates, but this game reveals that red lyrium is Blighted lyrium, which was discovered in DA2 in a dwarven thaig that predates the First Blight. So the Blight came from somewhere before it was sealed into the Black City. I think Solas knows what's in the Black City as well, which strengthens the case that the orb never had the ability to lead to the City.

I'll also reiterate that I think the Breach was intended by absolutely no one. It appeared to be a backfire caused by the Inquisitor interrupting the ritual and picking up the anchor.

Corphyeus wanted to enter fade so trapping him in it would be giving him the keys to god hood.

You need to enter the Fade physically to approach the Black City, and Cory's body is disintegrated when the Inquisitor opens a Rift inside of him. At best case he's simply a lost spirit wandering the Fade realm, at worst he was killed by the Rift.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

It actually exists in all DA's. The Dalish Elf intro story in Origins and Merril in DA2.

(Also, Morrigans DLC for Origins)

Right, but as a story element for Inquisition's script it comes right at the end seemingly for the sake of convenience.

 

[LX_Theo]

Right, but as a story element for Inquisition's script it comes right at the end seemingly for the sake of convenience.

Only if the story is held in a vacuum.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

yeah if you have never played either of the other games you'd be considering it a plot device. But the second I saw Morrigan I knew they'd have to mention it or bring it into play at one point

 

[-Snooze-]

I thought perhaps it was Flemeth who possessed Solas at the end. The way she possessed her "daughters"

The way she apologises to him before the transfer is quite telling.
Also we know from her prior conversation with Morrigan that she is hell bent on gaining enough power to take revenge on behalf of mythal

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I thought perhaps it was Flemeth who possessed Solas at the end. The way she possessed her "daughters"

The way she apologises to him before the transfer is quite telling.
Also we know from her prior conversation with Morrigan that she is hell bent on gaining enough power to take revenge on behalf of mythal

she also said you can't take the body from those who aren't willing, and I doubt Solas would give his body willingly considering he still has a goal.

Seemed more to me like he took her power, but she could just as easily still be alive in some form.

 

[-Snooze-]

she also said you can't take the body from those who aren't willing, and I doubt Solas would give his body willingly considering he still has a goal.

Seemed more to me like he took her power, but she could just as easily still be alive in some form.

I think perhaps Solas was willing due to his need to repent for all the deaths he caused.
I'm probably grasping for straws just because I prefer Flemeth as a character to Solas

 

[XANDER CAGE]

yeah if you have never played either of the other games you'd be considering it a plot device. But the second I saw Morrigan I knew they'd have to mention it or bring it into play at one point

It's a plot device either way. Just because they've been mentioned before doesn't mean it isn't one in Inquisition. The tesseract in the Marvel movies is still a plot device even if it's mentioned in several films.

 

[LX_Theo]

It's a plot device either way. Just because they've been mentioned before doesn't mean it isn't one in Inquisition. The tesseract in the Marvel movies is still a plot device even if it's mentioned in several films.

Well then so is the Inquisition. So is Solas's Orb. So is the government. So are the Grey Wardens.

If you widen your definition of it that far, anything that is part of the plot after being established in the lore is just some plot device.

 

[Goldrush]

Can't disagree. They probably could set the final battle prior to the Arbor WIld and it wouldn't change much. Post-Haven, the Inquisition completely dominates. I was absolutely certain that we would be knocked down a few pegs with Corypheus reaching the Well or Eluvian before we did. Instead, Arbor WIld seems to be setting up the next game rather than anything to do with Corypheus.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

Well then so is the Inquisition. So is Solas's Orb. So is the government. So are the Grey Wardens.

If you widen your definition of it that far, anything that is part of the plot after being established in the lore is just some plot device.

The Orb is absolutely a plot device. It's a macguffin. I don't think you're understanding what my criticism is here.

Dragon Age introduces several items (Flemeth/Mythal, the orb, the eluvians) with little narrative importance other than moving other things along. This isn't inherently BAD; you'd be hard pressed to find a story that doesn't implement this kind of thing. My issue is that they are all fairly transparent in Inquisition, and in a couple of cases, they are conveniently introduced the moment they become important.

 

[LX_Theo]

The Orb is absolutely a plot device. It's a macguffin. I don't think you're understanding what my criticism is here.

Dragon Age introduces several items (Flemeth/Mythal, the orb, the eluvians) with little narrative importance other than moving other things along. This isn't inherently BAD; you'd be hard pressed to find a story that doesn't implement this kind of thing. My issue is that they are all fairly transparent in Inquisition, and in a couple of cases, they are conveniently introduced the moment they become important.

Eh, yes and no. The elven gods subplot makes everything becomes more and more relevant as they drip feed info on that up to the Solas reveal. Macguffin's not a great word for it.

 

[Exploding8]

Wow, just beat the game... read a bit of this thread, its interesting how different the game is based on the default world. I had to choose between Stroud and Hawke, and Kieran didn't exist so that whole sub story never even happened in my game.

The ending was a bit disappointing to me tbh, but that might be because I rushed to finish it starting with the Temple of Mythal. But defeating Corypheus just seemed kinda anti-climactic. I was expecting the battle to trickle into the Fade again, to have to face off against Nightmare, to have the Golden City involved, and maybe some choice that would turn the Inquisitor into a God or something, since that was hinted at a lot. Instead I drank from a well and became Flemmeth's slave, which I thought "Hey, that could be cool in a sequel if Flemmeth uses the Inquisitor to do something bad and you have to stop him". But no, she's dead, so I guess we dodged that bullet. The Solas reveal was cool, but I'm not a huge fan of cliff hangers like that, and like I said I was expecting some kind of consequence to drinking from that well.

We also never found out for sure what that spirit was in the Fade that looked like Justinia. Was it actually Andraste / The Maker? She said to tell Leliana "I failed you too", which I thought could be a hint since Leliana always talks about how she fails the Maker. And what's going on with The Architect? I was sure he would show up but he never did.

I dunno, I feel like there's a lot of loose ends lying around. Maybe I didn't do enough side quests? I never finished the Hissing Wastes or explored some of the elven temples in the Emerald Graves. But I don't really have a desire to play any more. I guess it'll be good material for DLC, but I'm not a huge DLC fan... >.<

 

[Hystzen]

Everybody should expected Solas be not who seems after watching first Harry Potter film

Never got his personal quest even after using him and sucking upto him so he can like me.

 

[Deified Data]

Everybody should expected Solas be not who seems after watching first Harry Potter film




Never got his personal quest even after using him and ducking upto him so he can like me.

There's a very early game conversation with him where he basically goes on about how great it'd be if the real world and the fade were one. Knew something was up at that point. It was too topical.

 

[Hystzen]

There's a very early game conversation with him where he basically goes on about how great it'd be if the real world and the fade were one. Knew something was up at that point. It was too topical.

And his fuck elves I don't associate myself with them but spirits are totally cool chat in haven

 

[Admiral Woofington]

And his fuck elves I don't associate myself with them but spirits are totally cool chat in haven

Hindsight is 20/20 and all, from knowledge that he was the rift/fade mage specialization from before the game started I always just assumed he was a weird elf.

In fact then we had another weird elf who didn't act like normal elves.

 

[Scrooge McDuck]

We also never found out for sure what that spirit was in the Fade that looked like Justinia. Was it actually Andraste / The Maker? She said to tell Leliana "I failed you too", which I thought could be a hint since Leliana always talks about how she fails the Maker.

That intentionally would never be explained. The point is it's up to faith how you think what that Justinia spirit really is.

 

[Ralemont]

We also never found out for sure what that spirit was in the Fade that looked like Justinia. Was it actually Andraste / The Maker? She said to tell Leliana "I failed you too", which I thought could be a hint since Leliana always talks about how she fails the Maker. And what's going on with The Architect? I was sure he would show up but he never did.

Well Leliana eventually inteprets that line (in her personal quest) to mean that the things Justinia asked of Leliana (assassinations, spying, general bard stuff) turned her into a scary person instead of someone filled with love for the Maker. Since my Leliana was ruthless (I remained silent at the beginning traitor stuff) Leliana was like "meh, I don't care, I actually prefer killing people to get my way."

Dragon Age introduces several items (Flemeth/Mythal, the orb, the eluvians) with little narrative importance other than moving other things along. This isn't inherently BAD; you'd be hard pressed to find a story that doesn't implement this kind of thing. My issue is that they are all fairly transparent in Inquisition, and in a couple of cases, they are conveniently introduced the moment they become important.

The reveals about Flemeth, the orb, Eluvians, and the Elven Gods are all very important to the lore of the series, regardless of the role they play in Inquisition.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

The reveals about Flemeth, the orb, Eluvians, and the Elven Gods are all very important to the lore of the series, regardless of the role they play in Inquisition.

And Midichlorians are incredibly important to Star Wars lore, but that doesn't make their use in the prequel trilogy interesting or excusable.

Granted, nothing in Inquisition is anywhere near that bad, but I think we're having two different conversations here: one about lasting effects on the lore and one about the success of the game's script as a story. The use of these elements in Inqusition's plotting is sub-par, regardless of what implications they may have for the lore at large.

 

[Renekton]

I will overpay for a DLC where I can go back into the Fade to rescue Hawke.

Kinda bitter.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I will overpay for a DLC where I can go back into the Fade to rescue Hawke.

Kinda bitter.

I highly doubt they'll do it, considering it'd be effectively making a big choice you made worthless. Plus I chose Hawke over Stroud in my game.

 

[razzmahtazz]

I think perhaps Solas was willing due to his need to repent for all the deaths he caused.
I'm probably grasping for straws just because I prefer Flemeth as a character to Solas

His grave in the Fade says he was afraid of dying alone. Kieran says that the Old God Soul in him talks to him, and he gets lonely when it is removed. Given that the Old Gods = Elven Gods and Solas was feeling lonely because he locked away the other Elven Gods, Solas would have been probably open to possession by Mythal/Flemeth.

Maybe they will do a Justice/Anders type thing with him in the future but Mythal/Solas.

 

[SRTtoZ]

my Hawke died, or at least they SAID he did....

"Hawke could die".

Fuck it, I think he comes back in the sequel somehow if you left him to face that giant spider thing.

 

[adamsapple]

my Hawke died, or at least they SAID he did....

"Hawke could die".

Fuck it, I think he comes back in the sequel somehow if you left him to face that giant spider thing.

Can someone please link to a video of after leaving Hawke ?

Because I left Stroud ... and there's kind of a stupid 10 second scene where Stroud rushes back towards the spider thing, and just before entering the portal, the inquisitor looks back and see's Stroud sort of just .. falling (with terrible animation), there's no shot of the monster hitting/killing him etc .. he just sort of falls down. Looked really stupid.