I think the VizBig and the 3 in 1s both are censored. I know some of the US releases, outside of the singular volumes, are...
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Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z
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I think the VizBig and the 3 in 1s both are censored. I know some of the US releases, outside of the singular volumes, are...
I agree fully. I recently decided to rewatch Dragon Ball, then watched Dragon Ball Z Kai. Dragon Ball is so much better.
Even Dragon Ball started to drag in the end though. The final world tournament with Piccolo Jr. was actually pretty dull. Also, the filler for the anime was pretty bad.
Even Dragon Ball started to drag in the end though. The final world tournament with Piccolo Jr. was actually pretty dull. Also, the filler for the anime was pretty bad.
It started during the Namek saga and got downright embarrassing during the Android/Cell arcs.
Early DBZ still looks pretty amazing. Just like DB.
Nah, Z was better. The problem is DB is so important to the reason that Z is good though. All the character building in DB allowed Z to go as far as it did. All of Z is pretty good right up until the death of Cell. Buu and everything afterwards is garbage.
Dragonball is like.... the 1st season of Babylon 5. You just endure that mediocre nonsense because the world building it does pays off later when the good parts come.
Dragonball is like.... the 1st season of Babylon 5. You just endure that mediocre nonsense because the world building it does pays off later when the good parts come.
KidA Seven
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This is just plain wrong.
Z was never able to replicate the scene where Goku finds out Krillin died. Nor was it able to replicate the tear jerker that Dragonball had with the Goku and Gohan reunion. The fighting in the original was better than the Z fights despite the huge power levels.
The only part of Z that competes with the original is the Namek/Frieza sagas.
Keep in mind this is my favorite anime of ALL time....
With that said, I'm not sure why so many people here consider them two separate shows. They are one continuous show that takes place in proper serialized order. Trying to "choose" between them makes no sense. It's like saying Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2 are two different stories when they're the same story. The gang are only a few years older between the end of DB and the start of DBZ. That's about all that's changed.
But what the hell I'll play along....DBZ>DB.
With that said, I'm not sure why so many people here consider them two separate shows. They are one continuous show that takes place in proper serialized order. Trying to "choose" between them makes no sense. It's like saying Kill Bill Vol 1 and 2 are two different stories when they're the same story. The gang are only a few years older between the end of DB and the start of DBZ. That's about all that's changed.
But what the hell I'll play along....DBZ>DB.
It's a single series, but there's a clear differentiation in tone. That's why they added the "Z" when it was adapted for TV. So it's obvious Toriyama (who had input on the title) considered them two shows, to a certain extent.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
If you weren't a saiyan or the villain you were useless in dbz
PeakPointMatrix
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Damn is it that bad these days? I'm caught up just a little past Water 7, there doesn't seem to be anything atrocious animation-wise just yet. You'd think the number one franchise in Japan could afford top-notch animation!
The current arc has been better than it's usual lately but its definitely not something you'd expect from such a huge franchise.
MisterGrey3000
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You've definitely got a point.
I never realized how ridiculous and awesome DBZ was. It was almost like a self aware parody of anime at times.
However, DB is a lot more charming and feels a bit more genuine(for the lack of a better word)
Yeah I pretty much quit watching it after Marineford/Romance Dawn For The New World.
I just focus on my Weekly Jump subscription and I catch up straight from my iPhone. Oda's art in Dressrosa was butchered by Toei from what I saw.
Only the krillin was sad but non of them compare to when goku died for the second.time or when piccolo died.
I agree that the first part of Dragonball is definitely better as a complete product, however keep in mind that even though they're two different anime series, at heart they're just one big series with a massive amount of changes to the themes it has throughout.
With that being said...my favorite arcs, in order...
1. Piccolo Daimou arc - The first real serious arc in the series, and it delivers. Everything about this arc felt genuinely menacing and felt like the stakes were higher than ever before.
2. Saiyan/Freeza arc - Learning about Goku's backstory was a treat, and the payoff was glorious. Vegeta, Piccolo, Goku, Gohan, and even Krillin were all awesome in this large arc and got a lot of character development. There are times when this arc dragged but the high points were some of the series all time bests, and honestly this arc should've been the closing moments of the series.
3. Pilaf arc - The start of the series. Just so fun and sets a light-hearted adventurous tone the early part of the series is known for. The gags in it are still very funny till this day.
4. Piccolo Jr. arc - I liked this a lot, though less than the previous Piccolo arc, Piccolo Jr. was Goku's strongest enemy yet, plus getting more backstory on what Piccolo and Kami actually are was nice. The fight between Piccolo and Goku was one of the best in the entire series.
5. Red Ribbon/Tien arc - Another awesome arc full of adventure. The fight with Tien was also pretty awesome as was the rival school theme. This arc was more of a hoshposh of adventures, but it was still a lot of fun.
6. Boo arc - Thought this one was a lot of fun, but at certain points I began to feel the series started to become a parody of itself. The end of this arc dragged for way too long and made all the characters aside from Goku look bad in the end. Also the interactions Mr. Satan has in this arc with Boo is awesome.
7. Android arc - Honestly I feel this is overall the weakest of the series. The whole thing tried to take itself too seriously in a convoluted plotline, and this is the first arc where characters REALLY became useless outside of the Saiyans. Also it completely ruined the special aspect of becoming a Super Saiyan by making everyone into Super Saiyans, including that stupid jumbo-sized Super Saiyan shit. With that being said, Gohan's final battle with Cell was an awesome thing to see, solidfying Gohan as one of the most developed characters in Dragonball history...and then the Boo arc killed that entirely.
With that being said...my favorite arcs, in order...
1. Piccolo Daimou arc - The first real serious arc in the series, and it delivers. Everything about this arc felt genuinely menacing and felt like the stakes were higher than ever before.
2. Saiyan/Freeza arc - Learning about Goku's backstory was a treat, and the payoff was glorious. Vegeta, Piccolo, Goku, Gohan, and even Krillin were all awesome in this large arc and got a lot of character development. There are times when this arc dragged but the high points were some of the series all time bests, and honestly this arc should've been the closing moments of the series.
3. Pilaf arc - The start of the series. Just so fun and sets a light-hearted adventurous tone the early part of the series is known for. The gags in it are still very funny till this day.
4. Piccolo Jr. arc - I liked this a lot, though less than the previous Piccolo arc, Piccolo Jr. was Goku's strongest enemy yet, plus getting more backstory on what Piccolo and Kami actually are was nice. The fight between Piccolo and Goku was one of the best in the entire series.
5. Red Ribbon/Tien arc - Another awesome arc full of adventure. The fight with Tien was also pretty awesome as was the rival school theme. This arc was more of a hoshposh of adventures, but it was still a lot of fun.
6. Boo arc - Thought this one was a lot of fun, but at certain points I began to feel the series started to become a parody of itself. The end of this arc dragged for way too long and made all the characters aside from Goku look bad in the end. Also the interactions Mr. Satan has in this arc with Boo is awesome.
7. Android arc - Honestly I feel this is overall the weakest of the series. The whole thing tried to take itself too seriously in a convoluted plotline, and this is the first arc where characters REALLY became useless outside of the Saiyans. Also it completely ruined the special aspect of becoming a Super Saiyan by making everyone into Super Saiyans, including that stupid jumbo-sized Super Saiyan shit. With that being said, Gohan's final battle with Cell was an awesome thing to see, solidfying Gohan as one of the most developed characters in Dragonball history...and then the Boo arc killed that entirely.
Agreed, the original Dragon Ball was amazing. Z is still okay in my books, but I don't like how a lot of the Non-saiyan fighters were overshadowed and became useless by the end.
Toei gonna
Toei gonna
save money
Team Four Star, making the world a happier place.
But yes. They basically bitched out on Gohan. He should have turned out how he was in 'History of Trunks' but more powerful. I hope TFS comes up with a funny explanation about that when they get to it on Abridged. Like Chi Chi summons the dragon to permanently brainwash him or something.
Stick with the manga.
Toei feels they don't have to try since One Piece still gets consistently high ratings every week.
Sectorseven
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Prequel Yoda should have taken a page from Master Roshi.
DBZ is basically a DB fanfic. Apply the twists/plotlines to any other established series and you'll see what I mean.
"OK, so Batman's long-lost twin brother tells him that he's an alien. Batman then kills his brother, who sends out more from his race, while Batman dies. Then the Joker takes Robin and trains him while shooting down the power-giving moon. Then more of the Batman race comes in to kill folks, including the Joker, Riddler and Clockman. Batman comes in to save the day and they have a big fight with lots of lasers and explosions and PEWPEW and then Batman wins, but the Riddler doesn't want to kill the remaining member of the Batman race (Batwing), this allows him to get away to the Joker's home planet (Oh yeah, he's an alien too) where everyone else also goes to to help the damaged people."
NEXT CHAPTER: Batman VS Space Hitler.
"OK, so Batman's long-lost twin brother tells him that he's an alien. Batman then kills his brother, who sends out more from his race, while Batman dies. Then the Joker takes Robin and trains him while shooting down the power-giving moon. Then more of the Batman race comes in to kill folks, including the Joker, Riddler and Clockman. Batman comes in to save the day and they have a big fight with lots of lasers and explosions and PEWPEW and then Batman wins, but the Riddler doesn't want to kill the remaining member of the Batman race (Batwing), this allows him to get away to the Joker's home planet (Oh yeah, he's an alien too) where everyone else also goes to to help the damaged people."
NEXT CHAPTER: Batman VS Space Hitler.
Basketball
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dbz is better
loved db but dbz is just so much more i guess epic
if the tale ended after Dragonball the series would not be as iconic/popular as it still is even now.
DragonBall has a much better set of well told stories geared towards high adventure. The scale and direction of the narrative is fantastic.
DragonBall Z, in my opinion, has better individual events than DragonBall did.
Goku and Vegeta's beam struggle, Goku becoming a Super Saiyan, Gohan killing Cell and the final Spirit Bomb against Buu were much cooler and far more pivotal in a narrative sense than any individual event in DragonBall aside from Shenron getting killed by King Piccolo.
Though DragonBall is consistently better, I feel as though DBZ's high notes are higher than DB's.
DragonBall Z, in my opinion, has better individual events than DragonBall did.
Goku and Vegeta's beam struggle, Goku becoming a Super Saiyan, Gohan killing Cell and the final Spirit Bomb against Buu were much cooler and far more pivotal in a narrative sense than any individual event in DragonBall aside from Shenron getting killed by King Piccolo.
Though DragonBall is consistently better, I feel as though DBZ's high notes are higher than DB's.
Aaron Strife
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I think the DB/Z split is fine where it is. Piccolo Jr. as a villain is the culmination of the King Piccolo arc which together makes up a good third of the series (50some episodes). It also ends with Goku and Chichi's marriage which allows the story to have a "happily ever after" feeling even though it obviously doesn't last one episode into the Z story. Plus as someone else mentioned... aliens.
Maybe it's just because I'm an American fan but I do see them as DB and DBZ, rather than as one continuous adventure like the way the manga was written as. Oh well. I still love them both. I wouldn't mind a Kai version of the first series.
I just went and watched a Dragon Ball clip because of a post in this thread, the clip where Krillin dies.
I don't know if that was supposed to be tragic, but Lol.
The slow mo light tap to the forehead, it was like an instant death judo pressure point. And then Krillin stands there stunned and drops dead.
I mean lol really
I had to go listen to some Shinobi music after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neRDXGJ-z0U
I don't know if that was supposed to be tragic, but Lol.
The slow mo light tap to the forehead, it was like an instant death judo pressure point. And then Krillin stands there stunned and drops dead.
I mean lol really
I had to go listen to some Shinobi music after that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neRDXGJ-z0U
Roland1979
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Did you know that the Red Ribbon Army was a symbol for communism?
Did you know that the Red Ribbon Army was a symbol for communism?
A Red Army? Hello? Also it's partially based on a Chinese story.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I agree with the OP. DBZ is good for all the stupid jokes that came out of it, but I actually sometimes wish I could watch the OG DB again with the sense of wonder I did when I was a child.
PsihoPerihelion
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DB was freaking great because it gave you the feeling of being along Goku on an adventure. DBZ was damn good on it's own, but not close to DB's greatness. DBZ was just "who's the strongest badass in the universe" and that's all. That, and "It's Over 9000."
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
OP, you iz stupid! DB as a series wasn't over 9000 until DBZ.
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Didn't read through the thread but I know I'm not the first so lay off ;_;
Poltergust
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Can you point me to these Dragon Ball boxsets? I was thinking of picking this series up finally, but I don't want the cropped, washed-out versions of the episodes.
Dragon Ball and GT are fine in their season sets.
DBZ you need the Dragon Boxes, but they are out of print and expensive. Just go on Amazon and put in Dragon Box.
Poltergust
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Really? Because with the season set mentioned in this post:
...it definitely has the cropping and color problem andymcc was talking about.
Poltergust
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So, there isn't an unedited, un-"remastered" version of the first 13 episodes? That's unfortunate.
I guess I'll simply have to deal with what the season sets give me.
I liked the android saga in part because Gohan finally got to take Goku's throne
even though it would only turn out to be a brief stint. >_>
And that happens to be my favourite arc, damnit!
the DB season set he linked does not have the forced widescreen or weird DNR that is present in the DBZ seasons box set.
……forgetit
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He is wrong, if you aren't Goku or Gohan you're useless in DBZ, also I hate the "epic" excuse, what was so epic about it? They yelled at each other more and blew up bigger shit, that was about it.
dbz is better
loved db but dbz is just so much more i guess epic
if the tale ended after Dragonball the series would not be as iconic/popular as it still is even now.
But Bruce Faulconer makes it worst?
Lord of Castamere
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Would you really want to live in a world where Yamcha was useful?
Winterfang
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Dragon Ball had better fights and boobs.
Dragon Ball Z was a lot more cooler.
Dragon Ball Z was a lot more cooler.
What, in dragon ball if you weren't Goku you were useless.
That scene was alright but most of the time the music is shitty techno or rock music that dosent know when to shut up.
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