Rynocirator
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As far as character strength, not really.
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Dragon Ball FighterZ - Characters, Specials, and Stages Discussion
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As far as character strength, not really.
IKevinX's last video for now, time for Buuuuuuuu (and some Cell).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmME8_oe0Nw
Again, nice to see Arc how worked in attacks from past Butoden games into their own game. #LegacyIsNotLost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmME8_oe0Nw
Again, nice to see Arc how worked in attacks from past Butoden games into their own game. #LegacyIsNotLost
Takeru
Member
I don't see the issue here with wanting either tbh
I hope arc puts one of the two in just to see your reaction now
Woah, man, I really wonder hard if Broly, the one guy that has been in every single game for the past 10 years, is gonna be playable. The suspense is killing me.
Edit :
Also, I have issues with Launch. Here it is, having unorthodox obscure character in a big roster is perfectly fine and welcome, when the places are limited and you're making a licensed game, you might as well use the fan favorite characters that actually fought instead of going out of your way to find characters you have to invent everything about safe for one gimmick. Videl deserves to be in this more than Launch.
Takeru
Member
You were better when you were witch hunting people who didn't like Super. Like God forbid someone didn't agree with you.
Edit: If Videl gets in it's not like I'm going to protest she's cool too. All I'm saying is that it would be cool if Launch was in that's all.
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Anyway, not sure if posted already but here's a Buu manga reference video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmME8_oe0Nw
Yamcha's a bit too weak, while Goten & Trunks are a bit too young (they're currently covering for 17 at his day job).
SargerusBR
I love Pokken!
Pretty sure Yamcha is stronger than Roshi. The real reason is that nobody cares about Yamcha anymore.
SquirrelSoup
Member
Is Roshi a popular character? (Not trying to start something, honest question)
Roshi has been stated to never stop training where it's implied that Yamcha kind of gave up.
He did but got beat by Tagoma
I'm pretty sure Roshi remained a popular character even when he became nothing but a background extra
Gotenks will absolutely be in this game. Trunks and Goten have 0 chance to make it in as a result. But they'll be there in the intro I'm sure.
He'll probably be one of the best characters.
And yes he had made some appearances in Super but that amounted to nothing sadly.
Roshi is recognized worldwide, he's a pretty iconic character. Was not doing much in Z but DB and Super have plenty of Roshi. Yamcha stopped fighting.
Strength is completely irrelevant in Dragon Ball Z and beyond. Every character is an ass pull away from being super powerful. Toriyama never had respect for consistency, the writers of Super appear to be following in his footsteps.
I doubt Roshi was more popular, but one of the writers liked him more. So here we are.
LordKasual
Banned
Kind of depends.
If you mean like Roll in MvC2, then no. (thankfully)
If you mean like Akatsuki in UNIEL or Juri in SFV, then yes....unfortunately.
If we're talking about characters like Launch or Videl, then this really is a complete non-issue as far as ASW goes. They'd just be legit characters with really trollish movesets.
And it shouldn't, because not only is this a fighting game, it's a 3v3 fighting game.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Played like 5 more matches today against better competition.
The satisfaction you get when you have good flow and a couple of big combos is really good. Its pretty easy to lose a character quickly but even being at a disadvantage doesnt feel insourmantable since big moves do big damage.
Combo finishers like Cells exploding hug or Freezas exploding hand gesture are super easy to pull off by accident so thats why you see them so often in gameplay footage
It felt somewhat unintuitive to know when one super used RB or RT, some used both! Felt random, lost some chances for big damage because of it.
Very easy to forget to use special moves (which are great!) cause all you wanna donis giant fireballs
Throw escapes do happen often, theyre besacially damage plus a free air combo so people go for them a lot.
Let me know if you have more random questions!
The satisfaction you get when you have good flow and a couple of big combos is really good. Its pretty easy to lose a character quickly but even being at a disadvantage doesnt feel insourmantable since big moves do big damage.
Combo finishers like Cells exploding hug or Freezas exploding hand gesture are super easy to pull off by accident so thats why you see them so often in gameplay footage
It felt somewhat unintuitive to know when one super used RB or RT, some used both! Felt random, lost some chances for big damage because of it.
Very easy to forget to use special moves (which are great!) cause all you wanna donis giant fireballs
Throw escapes do happen often, theyre besacially damage plus a free air combo so people go for them a lot.
Let me know if you have more random questions!
How come you didn't film any footage for us plebs ?
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Im just an artist working a booth at AX who stalks the DBZ booth before the gates open in the morning lol
Takeru
Member
You get the choice of using RB or RT characters don't use both. Even their movesets say that.
The rest of this is pretty accurate.
Film something with your phone bruh.
If you're still have a chance, try to settle once and for all how beam clashes work.
Two level 3 clash and Gohan's level 5. Some people said you have to mash buttons in lv 3 vs lv 3 , which I doubt.
Thanks !
Doctrine Dark
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Raging, are the DBFZ stations still XB1?
More of an opinion based question: do you see this game being Pad friendly like many current fighting games? Or does this seem like one where an Arcade Stick would likely be the more viable option?
Did the game look even better in person?
More of an opinion based question: do you see this game being Pad friendly like many current fighting games? Or does this seem like one where an Arcade Stick would likely be the more viable option?
Did the game look even better in person?
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Yeah, XB1. Inputs were not a problem at all (Im typically a stick player) Button combinations for powerups and throws felt natural
Game looks really, really good. Demo stations usually go pretty heavy on the contrast and the crushed blacks which Im not a fan of, so I know itll look much better at home and hopefully with HDR
This is 100% pad friendly.
They simplified motions too.
It's down to personal preference.
Do we point out the time when Goku and Arale met in Dragon Ball? Or the special episode that even Vegeta knew that he didn't stand a chance against her because she was a joke character and that common sense didn't apply to her?
Dragon Ball FighterZ - Level 3 Super Animations (Side by Side comparison with anime)
Christ this one took forever. Lots of editing between episodes. I know some of these are not 1:1, but I think the inspiration is still clearly there and they're still doing an incredible job of getting the feel and speed of the show into these animations.
In case you missed it:
Intros
Level 1s
I'll have the outro animations done by Wednesday. Here's hoping we get some new characters and footage at Evo!
Christ this one took forever. Lots of editing between episodes. I know some of these are not 1:1, but I think the inspiration is still clearly there and they're still doing an incredible job of getting the feel and speed of the show into these animations.
In case you missed it:
Intros
Level 1s
I'll have the outro animations done by Wednesday. Here's hoping we get some new characters and footage at Evo!
Doctrine Dark
Member
Yeah, XB1. Inputs were not a problem at all (Im typically a stick player) Button combinations for powerups and throws felt natural
Game looks really, really good. Demo stations usually go pretty heavy on the contrast and the crushed blacks which Im not a fan of, so I know itll look much better at home and hopefully with HDR
Thanks, guys.
I always tend to assume ASW games are Arcade Stick necessary by default, so it's good to know the game will be fine on either peripheral.
Can't wait to play the beta.
haha same, easily one of my most anticipated reveals. didn't even think about the shit talking part but now that you mention it, it'd be great to see how they work his unapologetic ass of a character into the game. he's going to be such a riot
hope his intro is trunks and goten doing the fusion dance although that'll probably be more effort to do than it's worth
also since all the saiyans are fighting in their powered up form, im wondering if gotenks would be in SS3. would also give some silhouette variation to the rest of the cast
MiguelMexMIstery
Member
You fool, Mr. Satan defeated Cell and saved our planet! Show some respect!
voodoopanda
Member
I know some people wanted Super Future Trunks in this game, but I kinda hope if Tien is in that he's wearing his Super outfit. That was his biggest upgrade in my opinion, who cares about power levels I never liked how he looked in those green pants. I think he looks awesome now.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Re: joke characters
I wouldn't put it past the designers to make some of the canonically weak characters (e.g. Mr. Satan tier) intentionally weak when played on point but extremely useful as assists.
I wouldn't put it past the designers to make some of the canonically weak characters (e.g. Mr. Satan tier) intentionally weak when played on point but extremely useful as assists.
If they're gonna spend months developing visuals for the character, while also taking up one slot where another could have made it in, you can be sure there won't be any "joke" characters.
Characters with funny looking mechanics or moves ? Sure, but they will all be viable.
Takeru
Member
Any new characters in the build?
Same as E3. EVO is said to have Trunks though.
Wouldn't be surprised if one more new character is announced this week in Weekly Jump.
Wasn't it mentioned in one of the interviews, in response to power differences, how canonically weaker characters may wind up being more useful as support? Or something to that effect, I may be remembering it wrong.
you know damn well you don't believe any of that croc either, videl!
you know damn well you don't believe any of that croc either, videl!
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
IKevinX's last video for now, time for Buuuuuuuu (and some Cell).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmME8_oe0Nw
Again, nice to see Arc how worked in attacks from past Butoden games into their own game. #LegacyIsNotLost
Awesome! I've been waiting for Buu comparison video. Buu is a character I'm interested in. Hopefully we will see more unique archetype or movesets.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Well, problem with Dragon Ball franchise is predictability. There are good numbers of fan-favorite characters and we might get very few odd choices for the roster. I meant we might get one or two characters that could surprise us at the end but we mightn't.
Also the numbers might be at low 20s which would be perfect for almost all of fan favorites getting in. That's why we get stuck in the loop easily with limited choices.
Marvel, Capcom, DC and Nintendo have huge library of characters to be used in the games so the discussion might take awhile until we get to a start of the loop. We have SmashGAF cycle for pete's sake.
Tien having his RoF/Super outfit is pretty likely given that Goku has his BoG gi. Same for Roshi.
Trunks tho.
True, but at least Tien's outfit was in the theatrical release of RoF.
Yeah they said they don't want weaker characters beating Goku which seems wrongheaded for a game like this
I took it to mean more that it was just that they don't want weaker characters to appear all that much "stronger" than Goku, but it says nothing about how the actual game will be balanced.
For example, in Guilty Gear, Sol and Dizzy are among the most powerful characters in series canon, and get some extra flair/awe with their attacks and super animations that give weight to that. But anybody can still win against them, and both characters still have their share of matchups that they're weak against.
At least for now, I'm not really that worried about an off-hand quote like that.
I wouldn't worry about something abritrary like that. It won't stop ArcSys from balancing it the best they can
It may also mean that Goku's value would be more in a straight fight, but someone like Krillin, while able to fight just fine, might have a much better support skill rather than raw damage supers.
They may be not only targeting balance with uniqueness in fighters but also in balancing teams. Like maybe Krillin can not stomp someone with his supers like SS2 Gohan can, but maybe his provide himself and the team more options like he has Solar Flare
Or the simple explanation is to just not read too much into it. Maybe they just meant they don't want someone like Yamcha for example showing up Goku in visual power
It may also mean that Goku's value would be more in a straight fight, but someone like Krillin, while able to fight just fine, might have a much better support skill rather than raw damage supers.
They may be not only targeting balance with uniqueness in fighters but also in balancing teams. Like maybe Krillin can not stomp someone with his supers like SS2 Gohan can, but maybe his provide himself and the team more options like he has Solar Flare
Or the simple explanation is to just not read too much into it. Maybe they just meant they don't want someone like Yamcha for example showing up Goku in visual power
Yeah let's make sure the lesser used characters look like shit compared to the overused ones, that is a very convincing way to get people to try them out .
This is how i interpret it :
Goku is there for big damage, easy supers to combo into.
A character like 17 could be focused on counter and defense, perfect to gain time and allow your team mates to regain their health. Defensive support ability
Krilin could have traps and setups to help gain meter much faster, combo extender support ability
That could be an interesting way to balance teams and characters. Rather than making weaker characters look unimpressive or useless while facing stronger characters. Otherwise might as well just go Goku Broly Goku ssj87 all the time.
.This is how i interpret it :
Goku is there for big damage, easy supers to combo into.
A character like 17 could be focused on counter and defense, perfect to gain time and allow your team mates to regain their health. Defensive support ability
Krilin could have traps and setups to help gain meter much faster, combo extender support ability
That could be an interesting way to balance teams and characters. Rather than making weaker characters look unimpressive or useless while facing stronger characters. Otherwise might as well just go Goku Broly Goku ssj87 all the time.
Icyflamez96
Member
I'm still trying to prepare my mind for this game being solely 3v3 with no 1v1 option . _.
Just find friends to play online with and agree to just play 1 at a time with no tag
. There might be online VS and training modes to allow 1v1. But I think they might be afraid the game and characters are a bit too shallow/unbalanced in 1v1.
Doctrine Dark
Member
My dream install super for #17: #17 summons his forcefield and is allowed to attack for a certain amount of time like Magneto from Children of the Atom/Marvel Super Heroes. Powerful attacks would shorten the time limit of course. Some attacks can even destroy it, but #17 could dodge them
I know it won't happen, but that would be lovely for me.
I know it won't happen, but that would be lovely for me.
If 17 does somehow get in the game, I do think they'll find a way to work Forcefield into his toolset in this way. If nothing else, it'd be a way to make sure his usage of it is unique from Cell's.