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Combo variarion between characters is still nowhere to be seen. All combos look the same and it got old/tiring long ago.

I get that they want to make the game accesible, but you can't expect viewers to keep watching the game long term, if combos are so simple, repetitive, and the combo structure is the same for everyone, making combos between diferent characters look the same.

This is a dumb complaint. The game's not even done and you can't judge combo trees from pre-release footage from people who don't really know how to play yet.

It'd be like people complaining about magic series combos in MvC3 pre release footage.

GT Pan looks a hell of a lot better than whatsherface

Califa looks like a something from the Aladdin tv series or some low tier Deviantart

Didn't Toriyama design both GT Pan and Califla?

 

[Morlas]

saying something looks like a Deviantart character is kinda weird since there are actually pretty good artists on that website

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i know what it means but it's also generalizing

 

[LordKasual]

Combo variarion between characters is still nowhere to be seen. All combos look the same and it got old/tiring long ago.

I get that they want to make the game accesible, but you can't expect viewers to keep watching the game long term, if combos are so simple, repetitive, and the combo structure is the same for everyone, making combos between diferent characters look the same.

You're telling me Android 16, 18, Buu, Krillin, and Piccolo all have the same combo pathing?

The reason you're seeing only A>B>C> jump >A > B > C > super is because everyone in the game can do it...

saying something looks like a Deviantart character is kinda weird since there are actually pretty good artists on that website

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i know what it means but it's also generalizing

To be honest, Caulifa does look pretty shitty when you first see her.

She barely looks like a DB or DBZ character to be honest

Bulma had more meat on her when she was 16 years old in Dragonball

 

[Rynocirator]

Combo variarion between characters is still nowhere to be seen. All combos look the same and it got old/tiring long ago.

I get that they want to make the game accesible, but you can't expect viewers to keep watching the game long term, if combos are so simple, repetitive, and the combo structure is the same for everyone, making combos between diferent characters look the same.

I completely agree so far especially from what I've seen of the game. I'm hoping some good stuff comes out when the beta hits

 

[Morlas]

You're telling me Android 16, 18, Buu, Krillin, and Piccolo all have the same combo pathing?

The reason you're seeing only A>B>C> jump >A > B > C > super is because everyone in the game can do it...



To be honest, Caulifa does look pretty shitty when you first see her.

She barely looks like a DB or DBZ character to be honest

Bulma had more meat on her when she was 16 years old in Dragonball

To be honest with you I disagree also size has never mattered in Dragon Ball Frieza is like 4 feet tall for example.

 

[7Th]

The problem with all the U6 saiyans is that they didn't really bother to adapt them to the anime style despite Toriyama's current style looking fairly different from Super's style. I don't think it's confirmed if Kale was a Toriyama design, but Cabba and Cauli look far more charming when drawn by Toriyama.

Anyway, Yamamuro sucks.

 

[Linari]

Combo variarion between characters is still nowhere to be seen. All combos look the same and it got old/tiring long ago.

I get that they want to make the game accesible, but you can't expect viewers to keep watching the game long term, if combos are so simple, repetitive, and the combo structure is the same for everyone, making combos between diferent characters look the same.

I guess when every character in the game can do the same magic series and the people that are playing haven't had time to explore the combo system. Yeah, its gonna look the same....

Someone posted a video earlier with a piccolo player doing something like 2M, 5M, jump cancel j.M Demonic slash(?) and that looked like he could continue the combo with an assist or piccolo himself.

 

[Anth0ny]

Combo variarion between characters is still nowhere to be seen. All combos look the same and it got old/tiring long ago.

I get that they want to make the game accesible, but you can't expect viewers to keep watching the game long term, if combos are so simple, repetitive, and the combo structure is the same for everyone, making combos between diferent characters look the same.

It's still pre-release, remember. Everyone is going to be doing the same, simple bread and butter combos because that's all we know and it does decent damage.

Every fighting game looks like that early on. I'm sure the variation will come.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about combo variation at this point.

 

[Alecs27]

What do you think if they make Ultimate Gohan a parry/counter based character? When he fights Super Bu the only things he does are parries and counter attacks. I think he would be cool as a defensive character that works only in close range, but yeah he can have access to kamehameha and Masenko anyway.

 

[NEO0MJ]

To be honest, Caulifa does look pretty shitty when you first see her.

She barely looks like a DB or DBZ character to be honest

Bulma had more meat on her when she was 16 years old in Dragonball

Other than transformed Kale U6 saiyans are strange looking stick figures, regardless of gender. I guess they wanted them to look different but they come off as so much so that they look like they belong in another show.

 

[Glitter and Gold]

None of the universe tournament arc characters I've seen look like DBZ characters. None of them.

That's why it's crazy to me to see people fill out the roster with so many characters from that arc. I know it's shiny and new and exciting rn, but I think it'd barely be recognizable as a Dragonball game with so many character picks from it. and Super in general.

Anyone outside of Japan not following subs religiously would be like "who the hell is this??" at most of those reveals. Vs every single Dragonball fan worldwide being able to recognize the characters released so far, or at least has heard of SSB in those cases.

I think roster picks are going to continue to prioritize that. Universal fan recognition over shinny new super characters that haven't earned that yet

 

[Daingurse]

It'd be really cool if they put Roshi in the game under his Jackie Chun persona.

 

[kewlmyc]

To be honest, Caulifa does look pretty shitty when you first see her.

She barely looks like a DB or DBZ character to be honest

Bulma had more meat on her when she was 16 years old in Dragonball

Main problem with all the new saiyans (Universe 6) is that they don't match the aesthetic of the old sayians (Universe 7).

DB had a different aesthetic than DBZ, while DBZ now has a different aesthetic than DBS. DB had more cartoonish proportions, rounder body shapes and whatnot. Only really a handful of characters were muscular and none to the level you'd see in DBZ. DBZ started with the DB aesthetic until around the Freiza arc, where we started getting the super bulky style of the characters we all know now.

With DBS, the newer characters, especially the saiyans, are back to the cartoonish feel of DB, but instead of rounder bodies, we're getting lankier ones. Cabba is supposed to be one of the elite saiyans of his universe, but has less muscle mass than Kid Trunks. SSG originally had Goku losing muscle mass, until that was remedied by SSB.

Having a new aesthetic is fine, but the problem that some people are having with it is that we are having two different aesthetics interacting with each other. When DB started to transition into DBZ, the cartoonish character designs were changed into their more muscular versions. Good examples of this are Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo. These characters look way different in their Saiyan arc version (the last arc to use this aesthetic) to their current versions, which showed up during the Frieza saga.

Instead of having this transition happen again from DBZ to DBS, we are just having the super buff DBZ aesthetic of the current cast interact with the lanky cartoonish new designs of DBS. Of course not all the designs are lanky and cartoonish, like Hit and Goku Black, but a majority of them are, especially the U6 saiyans. That's why some fans are comparing U6 saiyans to what feels like Deviantart characters, because their designs aren't what we're accustomed to when it comes to DBZ saiyan designs.

 

[voodoopanda]

Anyone outside of Japan not following subs religiously would be like "who the hell is this??" at most of those reveals. Vs every single Dragonball fan worldwide being able to recognize the characters released so far, or at least has heard of SSB in those cases.

I remember renting Dragon Ball GT: Final Bout on PlayStation from Blockbuster back in the day when all I'd seen was, I think, up to the beginning of the Frieza arc. I had no idea who anyone was, I think at the time I didn't even know what Super Saiyan was, much less SSJ4. I just remember being really confused and that SSJ4 Goku had hotdogs for a tail.

 

[Romars202129]

My problem with the new saiyans is Kale's design is actually pretty darn good(base and controlled ssj mostly), but her personality is shit,
Meanwhile, Cauliflas personality is fine and her design is shit. If only we could goldilocks them.

 

[dan2026]

It probably makes the most sense to have Kale and Caulifla occupy one character slot.

 

[Astral]

Is there any gamescom build footage of at least decent level gameplay with no commentary? That recent tournament was not satisfying at all.

 

[Solid Sora]

Is there any gamescom build footage of at least decent level gameplay with no commentary? That recent tournament was not satisfying at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlyOkr8F8fE

 

[NathanDiego]

GT Pan was one of the best parts about GT. I'd easily take her over Calligula and Khaled.

GT Pan looks a hell of a lot better than whatsherface

Califa looks like a something from the Aladdin tv series or some low tier Deviantart

 

[Skeeter49]

I like Caulifla's design .

Characters not looking like DBZ characters is what I wanted from other universes, including 6.

GT Pan looks trash. At least she's not Cabba, so she's not the worst saiyan at least.

 

[Astral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlyOkr8F8fE

Thanks this is awesome. They beta is much too far away.

 

[Morlas]

I like Caulifla's design .

Characters not looking like DBZ characters is what I wanted from other universes, including 6.

GT Pan looks trash.

Yeah Caulifla has a good design...maybe less baggy pants but other than that i like her design

 

[Mik317]

None of the universe tournament arc characters I've seen look like DBZ characters. None of them.

That's why it's crazy to me to see people fill out the roster with so many characters from that arc. I know it's shiny and new and exciting rn, but I think it'd barely be recognizable as a Dragonball game with so many character picks from it. and Super in general.

Anyone outside of Japan not following subs religiously would be like "who the hell is this??" at most of those reveals. Vs every single Dragonball fan worldwide being able to recognize the characters released so far, or at least has heard of SSB in those cases.

I think roster picks are going to continue to prioritize that. Universal fan recognition over shinny new super characters that haven't earned that yet

what better way to introduce people to said characters than a game they probably will buy regardless?

Things aren't made in a vacuum. Toei wants people to buy their new shit and will use this game and many after it to advertise said new shit. Also you underestimate the internet as large, we have it at our fingertips and its not that hard to find out who characters are now. I am a dub only guy with Super so I have no clue who any of these new folks are as characters but if I wanted to, its a click away. This isn't the 90's anymore.

I think people are letting their weird hatred of Super cloud their vision. This game is a celebration of all things Dragonball...which means like it or not, every era will probably be represented...yes even GT. Stop being so selfish...(not saying you personally).

Fighting Game Roster threads are the worst with this. <character you don't like gets announced>; welp time to shit up the thread....fuck these characters aren't even announced and people are already upset.

btw I think Goku Black and Hit have better chances at being the Super "reps" than the girls.

 

[Morlas]

what better way to introduce people to said characters than a game they probably will buy regardless?

Things aren't made in a vacuum. Toei wants people to buy their new shit and will use this game and many after it to advertise said new shit. Also you underestimate the internet as large, we have it at our fingertips and its not that hard to find out who characters are now. I am a dub only guy with Super so I have no clue who any of these new folks are as characters but if I wanted to, its a click away. This isn't the 90's anymore.

I think people are letting their weird hatred of Super cloud their vision. This game is a celebration of all things Dragonball...which means like it or not, every era will probably be represented...yes even GT. Stop being so selfish...(not saying you personally).

Fighting Game Roster threads are the worst with this. <character you don't like gets announced>; welp time to shit up the thread....fuck these characters aren't even announced and people are already upset.

btw I think Goku Black and Hit have better chances at being the Super "reps" than the girls.

good points and yes Hit and Black are more likely, actually i think there's a good chance for both to make the base roster

 

[SAB CA]

Does it not help that the U6 Saiyans are... part of an entirely different UNIVERSE? I mean, it's be weird if Caulifa was Goku's child, sure, but she's not. If anything, it's like a "What if SSJ progressed with Saiyan Saga builds", which is pretty cool as a concept.

Cabba was really off-putting by himself, but having him be less a one-off, and more a member of a certain look and style of people, helps me accept him a lot more.

Toriyama's been around long enough to have multiple series and years where he re-invents his style, yet still keeps it unique to him. I think one of the best things about the new arc is that it lets us see designs that draw from pretty much everything he's ever worked on. There's so much that feels a little Dragon Quest, a little Blue Dragon, Dr. Slump, Tobal No.1, Jaco, etc... it's enjoyable on a level beyond simply Dragon Ball Z-infused fights.

That reminds me, if Bulma gets into this game with a capsule-based moveset or something... I totally want her to summon Toriyama-Robo somewhere, heh heh.

Who cares if adding super characters means this doesn't look like "pure" DBZ? Super doesn't either, and that's the big brand that makes these games possible with real budgets.

 

[Spinosaurus]

Increasingly convinced Towa is in, and as the main antagonist. I actually can't think of anything that could get in the way of her inclusion unless they really wanna stick to the manga/anime. Though since the story is original and it involves evil clones and surely time travel shenanigans, then that sounds like the kind of shit she'd pull lol.

ASW justified Labrys in P4A for that game's story, they can totally do the same for Towa, who's already an established character that has been in about every Dragon Ball game from the past years with an original story. (and even as an assist in Extreme Butoden, which is pretty random lol)

 

[cordy]

yeah no GT pan is a massive waste of potential and is best left forgotten

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also you intentionally misspelling their names is really annoying

Pan's statistically shown more for her and her character in GT than anything these new U6 female Saiyans have shown. Same for Videl, Bulma and Chi-Chi.

It's like I said earlier. Yall keep saying "we want Calligula and Khlaled in the game" when this game's been in development for years and one of them debuted late April and the other early May this year. That's WAY too soon for a base roster so it doesn't look like you're making sense, it looks like you're thinking 2 unknowns at the time can go above more established characters who not only have shown more but have far more to their arsenal and character. Shit's outrageous.

Nobody's saying they won't be DLC or in a sequel, we know they will. But when people mention base roster of a limited character fighting game that's when the red flag gets thrown. You're bugging.

As for Towa she's got a better chance of being in the game than those 2 twerking Saiyans.

 

[SAB CA]

For all you Dabura fans, remember, Towa is his SISTER. So not only would she give us a nice female villan, but she's also give an excuse to say "This is all caused by the Demon Realm", which once again gives reason for him to show up, too.

If Trunks is our Heroic Sword user, Dabura could be our evil variant...

 

[cireza]

I hope this game gets a color edit mode.

 

[Mik317]

again they didn't just pull these new characters out of their ass. Shit takes time. As incompetent as Toei can be at times, I highly doubt they are just winging it as they go...pretty sure they have most of Super mapped out...which means this games development could easily be along side that.

its not rocket science.

 

[mas8705]

yeah no GT pan is a massive waste of potential and is best left forgotten

Definitely would have been fascinating to have seen Pan's character grow in GT so that you could have seen her grow stronger, learn new moves and perhaps even could have gone SSJ. Wouldn't that have been a kicker if she was able to have pulled that off during the series? To have seen just how strong she had become from the start of the series to the end like her father?

But no... Instead when she isn't complaining on screen, what is she screaming? "GRANDPA!" She could have been seen like the next generation of Z Warriors, but instead we got what felt like the worst aspects of Videl's character carried over. She does have her moments, but they are greatly overshadowed by many other things.

Hell, you can argue that Super has done a bang up job giving Pan a character when she is a baby than what GT ever did for her.

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As for our Female Sayians from U6, it is still too early to say at the moment. They were barely introduced less than 20 episodes ago and there hasn't been that time to see them grow (not counting how one can suddenly use SSJ2 while the other basically ensures that Broly is non-canon). For all we know, there could be a future arc where they could do something to grow their character (provided that they aren't killed off suddenly or erased from existence). Going to hold off judgment there until either we know they are dead and buried or when we see more of them. But should they be in DBFZ? Going to hold my breath on that one since I doubt they will be added in anytime soon (or at least not before other Super characters that deserve to get added in get in beforehand).

 

[TreIII]

Increasingly convinced Towa is in, and as the main antagonist. I actually can't think of anything that could get in the way of her inclusion unless they really wanna stick to the manga/anime. Though since the story is original and it involves evil clones and surely time travel shenanigans, then that sounds like the kind of shit she'd pull lol.

ASW justified Labrys in P4A for that game's story, they can totally do the same for Towa, who's already an established character that has been in about every Dragon Ball game from the past years with an original story. (and even as an assist in Extreme Butoden, which is pretty random lol)

Exactly my thoughts. Certainly good that I'm not the only one shilling for her, anymore, at this point!

For all you Dabura fans, remember, Towa is his SISTER. So not only would she give us a nice female villan, but she's also give an excuse to say "This is all caused by the Demon Realm", which once again gives reason for him to show up, too.

If Trunks is our Heroic Sword user, Dabura could be our evil variant...

And even if the Demon Realm isn't a focal point of this game's story arc, it gives enough of a sequel hook for them to elaborate on in an expansion or sequel. Then I guess from there, it's up to what the devs want to do.

Speaking of Dabura, he'd be another decent "big body character". The fact that he'd be another sword user with petrifing spit would just add another nice bit of variety.

 

[SAB CA]

Exactly my thoughts. Certainly good that I'm not the only one shilling for her, anymore, at this point!

And even if the Demon Realm isn't a focal point of this game's story arc, it gives enough of a sequel hook for them to elaborate on in an expansion or sequel. Then I guess from there, it's up to what the devs want to do.

Speaking of Dabura, he'd be another decent "big body character". The fact that he'd be another sword user with petrifing spit would just add another nice bit of variety.

Yeah, the stories that include Towa seem to like making her story into a weird Meta-arc that exist across all the various products. I do like how she gives SOMETHING more to Dabura's existence, too. Hearing Dabura was from "The Demon Realm", in a universe that already has multiple established versions of hell / the afterlife + A guy named Satan walking around on earth + a Demon King Piccolo, just felt like a big waste / confusion back in the past.

 

[Doctrine Dark]

Wasn't much of a Dabra fan in the series, but I can see ASW making an interesting moveset for him. He'd definitely have his magical fireball, illusions, sword attacks, spear throws, flame breath, and stone spit. He had a powered-up state called "Demonic Will" in the Budokai games. I'd like to see that return.

 

[PSlayer]

Other than transformed Kale U6 saiyans are strange looking stick figures, regardless of gender. I guess they wanted them to look different but they come off as so much so that they look like they belong in another show.

To me Caulifa looks like one of those background characters that you see in scenes where the MCs are walking in a street or something.They are less detailed than the MCs and usually have a generic design/clothes..

 

[Village]

That girls dumb sweatpants ruin her design.

 

[Skeeter49]

In the fights she's had in the tournament I thought the baggy pants were fine. I don't get the less detailed look at all. Why would people want them to look similar to DBZ characters? That's lazy.

I do wish we'd get more OG DB characters in games. I want to beat people with my tongue

 

[AlexIIDX]

I can't wait to hear the game with english VA. Even if its just a bunch of grunting.

 

[I-hate-u]

For all you Dabura fans, remember, Towa is his SISTER. So not only would she give us a nice female villan, but she's also give an excuse to say "This is all caused by the Demon Realm", which once again gives reason for him to show up, too.

If Trunks is our Heroic Sword user, Dabura could be our evil variant...

Here's your evil sword user variant.

Dabura is trash, and does nothing. Janemba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

[SAB CA]

Here's your evil sword user variant.

Dabura is trash, and does nothing. Janemba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Janemba should come along with Gogeta and... things that are relevant to him. In a tag-team fighter, it's nice to be able to pair up fighters that have friendships or Rivalries.

I'm definitely not opposed to him, but I don't expect to see him without associated characters, y'know?

 

[Morlas]

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I find it hard to take you seriously when you talk about twerking and can't even be bothered to get their names right
Also I don't think they'll be in the base game, if they are going to be it will more likely be as dlc.
Anyway if they can find a way to make GT Pan into a super saiyan I would be more than happy to accept her into the fold.

 

[LotusHD]

None of the universe tournament arc characters I've seen look like DBZ characters. None of them.

Such a vague criticism. That said, aside from most of the U6 team, there's really only like 4-5 characters in that arc that would ever have a shot at making it into a roster for a DBZ game, and that number of course shortens if we're talking DLC potential for this game.

That's why it's crazy to me to see people fill out the roster with so many characters from that arc. I know it's shiny and new and exciting rn, but I think it'd barely be recognizable as a Dragonball game with so many character picks from it. and Super in general.

Yea, the DBZ game with Goku and other familiar characters would suddenly become too confusing for everyone if you add too many shiny new Super characters, despite us having the internet at our disposal... Lol

That girls dumb sweatpants ruin her design.

I disagree, her outfit matches her personality pretty well.

 

[Zero-ELEC]

Increasingly convinced Towa is in, and as the main antagonist. I actually can't think of anything that could get in the way of her inclusion unless they really wanna stick to the manga/anime. Though since the story is original and it involves evil clones and surely time travel shenanigans, then that sounds like the kind of shit she'd pull lol.

ASW justified Labrys in P4A for that game's story, they can totally do the same for Towa, who's already an established character that has been in about every Dragon Ball game from the past years with an original story. (and even as an assist in Extreme Butoden, which is pretty random lol)

Oooh, that'd be neat.

Unfortunately if she were in the game she'd bring along that void of charisma that is Mira.

 

[Puruzi]

GT Pan is pretty cool.

 

[Neoxon]

Here's your evil sword user variant.

Dabura is trash, and does nothing. Janemba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Imagine a DLC pack for the movie characters (Broly, Bojack, Janemba, Gogeta, etc.). Bamco would be swimming in money.

 

[NEO0MJ]

Imagine a DLC pack for the movie characters (Broly, Bojack, Janemba, Gogeta, etc.). Bamco would be swimming in money.

Four characters just for movies would be too much for Arc I feel. However a movie pack consisting of Janemba and Broly and a GT pack featuring SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron would work. I don't think they have to be packs of three.

 

[Lifejumper]

I wonder how they will implement hit if hes in the game. He doesn't use any ki attacks.

 

[LotusHD]

I wonder how they will implement hit if hes in the game. He doesn't use any ki attacks.

Well, there's no way he doesn't know how to use regular ki blasts, so I mean, they could just... not care, and let him use that at least. Also the opening had him using a finger beam as well.

Also has that invisible attack, though I doubt they'd let you spam that lol

 

[Giga Man]

Four characters just for movies would be too much for Arc I feel. However a movie pack consisting of Janemba and Broly and a GT pack featuring SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron would work. I don't think they have to be packs of three.

They don't have to be packs of three, but I'd prefer it that way. Movie pack can be Cooler, Broly, and Janemba, while GT pack can be SS4 Gogeta, Baby Vegeta, and Omega Shenron.

Let's hope some of this gets in the main game, though. I see Broly being the main game for sure at least, maybe as an unlockable since they're apparently doing that in this game.