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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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NeonZ
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Yeah, if that
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However, I also think that the next tournament likely is going back to the traditional Budokai format. 12 teams of 5 fighters, or even 12 teams or 3 fighters is too much. It'd be a stupidly long tournament. And we probably wouldn't see many of those teams anyway, since they'd just follow the Universe 7 people and whoever is their main rival by then.
I think it's more likely we'd get some big qualifying round, and then 16 fighters for the actual tournament, where coincidentally at least one will be from each universe. That way, it's more feasible to show at least one fighter from each of the universes we haven't seen yet, alongside a brief introduction of each universe.
ArchedThunder
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No, the next tournament is going to be sometime in the future, it's not the next arc.
ArchedThunder
Banned
That's possible, but also that's why I said we'd only mainly see Universe 7 and 6 matches with a few important matches here and there that don't include them. If the fights were the same length as this tournament then the arc wouldn't necessarily be too much longer, maybe 5 to 10 more episodes.
And honestly I want longer arcs, I feel like from now on each arc should be at least 2 cours, so 24-26 episodes.
EDIT: Whoops, double post.
LordOfChaos
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That was one weird ass episode all around lol.
Was it my print, or were some of the voices weird? And was Hits voice actor just not in the studio when they recorded or something? Went from having fun with Goku to just grunting at him. You're not Vegeta, buddy.
Also, 12 universe tournament, this is going straight up Dragon Ball Multiverse. Not a bad thing, as long as more interesting arcs with actual villains happen between now and then. And 41 episodes in, we still kind of don't have one.
Interesting that Beerus and Champa bowed to the KoE, but Whis and Vados were standing straight? They also kept their usual casual banter up rather than shitting their pants. I'd half wonder if they're not doing to B&C what Beerus did to Goku with Monaka, lol.
Next episode preview - someone faking Monakas appearance, I'm guessing? Piccolo sounded weird?
Was it my print, or were some of the voices weird? And was Hits voice actor just not in the studio when they recorded or something? Went from having fun with Goku to just grunting at him. You're not Vegeta, buddy.
Also, 12 universe tournament, this is going straight up Dragon Ball Multiverse. Not a bad thing, as long as more interesting arcs with actual villains happen between now and then. And 41 episodes in, we still kind of don't have one.
Interesting that Beerus and Champa bowed to the KoE, but Whis and Vados were standing straight? They also kept their usual casual banter up rather than shitting their pants. I'd half wonder if they're not doing to B&C what Beerus did to Goku with Monaka, lol.
Next episode preview - someone faking Monakas appearance, I'm guessing? Piccolo sounded weird?
NeonZ
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The 5 vs 5 tournament lasted about 8 episodes as far as the fighting itself goes and that's with only Hit actually standing up to SSJ Blue, and that'd be the equivalent of one round in a tournament where every universe has a 5 man team. If Toei attempts to animate more than one battle per episode for a long tournament, I think we'd quickly run into some very poor animation.
NCR Redslayer
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Man Piccolo is gonna use his stretchy arms in the episode.
I'm expecting a few episodes of down time, then Vegeta and others going back to Universe 6 to see Planet Salad, and then maybe a plot around how Reviving Earth in U6 has actually lead to some big bad guys being revived and they start terrorising shit in U6, which of course Goku and co would have to get involved with, that should be a good handful of content before starting to look at another Tournament.
Icyflamez96
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Man I hope that tournament doesn't happen for a loooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnggggg time.
This is how I feel. Yes, Goten and Trunks are prodigies in their own way by being the first SSJ children but I've always gotten the impression that Gohan could basically be the ultimate Saiyan. He may have been concerned that Goten/Trunks could surpass him back in late Z but he wasn't even training back then and lost a ton of strength after Cell. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Maybe Toriyama will change his mind about having the kids around as basically comic relief and Goten/Trunks will become the most powerful in the universe at some point. It's hard to say. I don't want to think too hard about a simple Shonen like DB anymore, lol.
Edit: Also, the Buu saga was filled with gags etc. Toriyama probably thought it would be funny to see the kids go SSJ too without struggling..maybe it was the anime only but Vegeta was disgusted when he saw how easily trunks hit SSJ.
Welfare
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All Star Goku.
Ka-me-ha-me-basketball!
ArchedThunder
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Icyflamez96
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Too soooooon
Not really if we want to look back at the original DB anime.
Tournaments are always a good way to have some cool fights. Having an earth threatening crisis every arc can cause fatigue, at least it felt that way when trying to watch all the way through Z again. Some fun low-stakes fights with new interesting abilities would be cool to break up the pace. Might even get to see Monaka fight after getting some training, or maybe he just has a dumb ability related to being an intergalactic deliveryman.
flintstryker
Banned
I'm starting to wonder if any tournament arc will ever at least equal the Dark Tournament Arc from Yu yu hakusho,
Just watched the episode and I have to say it was pretty bad.
- The King of All's voice was so fucking annoying. I hate that overly cutesie japanese girl voice. That has practically ruined the character for me. He had so much potential as well.
- His appearance was so short-lived. Such a massive character in the DB universe(s) and he's gone within a few minutes.
- The whole wish sequence was pretty poorly done as well. I don't like how Beerus is slowly becoming a pushover. I always wanted him to remain neutral and to be feared by the others. Bulma getting that bold with him makes me think he's going to continue to be soft.
- I really don't know what was going on with the animation when the dragon was summoned lol.
The actual wish was brilliant though. Having Beerus show kindness to his brother was a nice moment and we now have a new Earth to play with in universe 6. It's just that the whole episode's execution was pretty terrible. Almost GT-esque.
- The King of All's voice was so fucking annoying. I hate that overly cutesie japanese girl voice. That has practically ruined the character for me. He had so much potential as well.
- His appearance was so short-lived. Such a massive character in the DB universe(s) and he's gone within a few minutes.
- The whole wish sequence was pretty poorly done as well. I don't like how Beerus is slowly becoming a pushover. I always wanted him to remain neutral and to be feared by the others. Bulma getting that bold with him makes me think he's going to continue to be soft.
- I really don't know what was going on with the animation when the dragon was summoned lol.
The actual wish was brilliant though. Having Beerus show kindness to his brother was a nice moment and we now have a new Earth to play with in universe 6. It's just that the whole episode's execution was pretty terrible. Almost GT-esque.
I'm really hoping that Universe hopping will become a regular thing, going forward. But I'm sure that will be the case. Since we really dont know much of what's in store for this next arc or two before the Multi-Universe tourny, it would be great to explore Universe 6. Hell, Goku could die again but in that Universe and go to their Otherworld and meet all of their Kai's.
I'm really excited to see what other universes look like, since 6 and 7 are supposed to be twins. I want to see some really outlandish races (i.e., more stuff like Magetta - he's probably my favorite fighter from Universe 6 just because the fight was so creative).
I could be getting myself way too hyped up for this stuff, but character design of non-human-types is usually one of Toriyama's biggest strengths. Here's hopin'.
I could be getting myself way too hyped up for this stuff, but character design of non-human-types is usually one of Toriyama's biggest strengths. Here's hopin'.
Icyflamez96
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It'll probably be fine, I just expected them to ease into the universes and unfold them more gradually, so at the moment I don't like the idea of them all just being introduced abruptly.
ArchedThunder
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Well we know the arc with the returning fan favorite character involves another universe, so we can expect the next arc to at the very least not take place entirely in Universe 7.
Maybe Kabito will get to be useful and they'll just say that his teleportation allows him to teleport freely between universes.
Or they'll just bribe Whis with food.
Or Bulma creates some transportation or teleportation device.
I for some reason imagine them making a stargate from stargate sg-1 just with dragons as symbols and being able to dial each universe
I only just recently realized that Super was past the Frieza movie, so i decided that this might be good point to jump in and watch the Universe 6 tournament arc, since I have already seen the movies. I did notice a couple of things they apparently changed from the movies in flashbacks and things that the characters said. I'll probably go back and watch the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F arcs at some point as well just to see how much they actually changed, but that's not really a high priority for me right now.
As for the tournament arc we just had, I did like it. The early episodes had a bit too many moments where they flashback just an episode or two back. That seemed unnecessary, but I guess they had to fill the time somehow.
It also kind of bothered me how easily Cabba learnt how to transform into a Super Saiyan. I mean, obviously Goten and Trunks had it even easier, but compared to everything that Vegeta, Goku and Gohan had to go through to reach Super Saiyan, that was still way too easy. Not to mention that it seemed like U6 had never even had any Super Saiyans before, but U7 at least had legends of them before Goku first transformed, so I would think that U6 Saiyans should have at least as equally hard, if not harder, time transforming into one. But I guess plot convenience surpasses all logic.
I also hate that the Super Dragon Ball dragon is called Super Shenron. I get that it may not be his "real" name, and that the characters called him that because they are used to calling the dragon Shenron on Earth, but I was hoping he'd get a unique name, since the other two dragons we know of, Shenron and Porunga, both have very different names from each other.
Other than these very minor nitpicks, I did really enjoy watching the show. I can't wait to see what they have planned for Gohan since he's now back to training. It'll probably take a couple of arcs, but it seems like he might be able to surpass Goku and Vegeta in the final or second to last arcs (or a few arcs from now, if they change their plans and want to keep making the show indefinitely). I'd be down for some Super Saiyan Green/Ultimate Super Saiyan God Gohan action.
I mean, knowing Toriyama, that's probably not going to happen, because Goku always needs to get to finish the fight (aside from that one time), but I'm hopeful.
As for the tournament arc we just had, I did like it. The early episodes had a bit too many moments where they flashback just an episode or two back. That seemed unnecessary, but I guess they had to fill the time somehow.
It also kind of bothered me how easily Cabba learnt how to transform into a Super Saiyan. I mean, obviously Goten and Trunks had it even easier, but compared to everything that Vegeta, Goku and Gohan had to go through to reach Super Saiyan, that was still way too easy. Not to mention that it seemed like U6 had never even had any Super Saiyans before, but U7 at least had legends of them before Goku first transformed, so I would think that U6 Saiyans should have at least as equally hard, if not harder, time transforming into one. But I guess plot convenience surpasses all logic.
I also hate that the Super Dragon Ball dragon is called Super Shenron. I get that it may not be his "real" name, and that the characters called him that because they are used to calling the dragon Shenron on Earth, but I was hoping he'd get a unique name, since the other two dragons we know of, Shenron and Porunga, both have very different names from each other.
Other than these very minor nitpicks, I did really enjoy watching the show. I can't wait to see what they have planned for Gohan since he's now back to training. It'll probably take a couple of arcs, but it seems like he might be able to surpass Goku and Vegeta in the final or second to last arcs (or a few arcs from now, if they change their plans and want to keep making the show indefinitely). I'd be down for some Super Saiyan Green/Ultimate Super Saiyan God Gohan action.
I mean, knowing Toriyama, that's probably not going to happen, because Goku always needs to get to finish the fight (aside from that one time), but I'm hopeful.
DragonSworne
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So Gohan skipped the greatest tournament of all time for work?
And nothing happened while he was alone on earth too? Come on man.
And nothing happened while he was alone on earth too? Come on man.
He's doing what he wants to do.
NeonZ
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The Dragon was previously called "Kami no Ryu" during exposition, which just means "Dragon of the Gods". It's odd that he didn't receive an actual name this episode. I guess you could just look at his name as "Uyurinomika" (Kami no Ryu in the language of the gods AKA reverse Japanese) considering how it's even part of the invocation chant like the name of the previous Dragons.
DiipuSurotu
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Thanks to Bardock traveling to the past and becoming the legendary Super Saiyan ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Pizza con salsiccia
Banned
More like KA ME HA ME BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM SHAKALAKA !
The stuff they're doing in Super right now feels like they've got the rest of the series planned out, not only with the All Universes Tournament, but Beerus' wish (which Bulma even suggested to him).
Host Samurai
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Knowing Dragonball there is a God above the King of Everything.
A good way to incorporate an ultra powerful villian, would be for this villian to trap Beerus and Whis in an alternate dimension or something so they can't interfere, or have some strange ability that puts them to sleep
A good way to incorporate an ultra powerful villian, would be for this villian to trap Beerus and Whis in an alternate dimension or something so they can't interfere, or have some strange ability that puts them to sleep
Unknown One
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Hahaha Beerus as a damsel in distress. That's pretty funny.
The Silver
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Need a god to show up that's actually evil, surely one of the gods of destruction is a cold bastard who loves killing people.
Host Samurai
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Surprised Piccolo never showing interest in Universe 6 Namek
I think there is a lot of foreshadowing going on and they've purposely made so many possible plot points to ensure Super can go on as long as it needs to. This is the most ambitious DB has ever been imo in terms of scope of the story. But lack of focus might affect quality down the line. We'll see.
He never really showed much interest in Universe 7 Namek, haha.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
He never even showed interested in his own universe's Namek and Namek people.
ArchedThunder
Banned
He doesn't show interest in his own Namek...
Back in 2009 Toriyama came up with the idea of the Makaio and the Makaioshin who are basically like the Kaio and the Kaioshin of the Demon Realm. We have yet to see the Demon Realm, the Makaio or the Makaioshin. They're one of my top hopes for Super.
The Demon Realm is said to be at the tip of the universe, I kinda hope they'll write the Demon Realm as a connecting point for all the universes.
Imagine the Demon Realm being in the middle, that's what I'm hoping for.
He doesn't show interest in his own Namek...
Back in 2009 Toriyama came up with the idea of the Makaio and the Makaioshin who are basically like the Kaio and the Kaioshin of the Demon Realm. We have yet to see the Demon Realm, the Makaio or the Makaioshin. They're one of my top hopes for Super.
The Demon Realm is said to be at the tip of the universe, I kinda hope they'll write the Demon Realm as a connecting point for all the universes.
Imagine the Demon Realm being in the middle, that's what I'm hoping for.
The Makai is underneath the universe.
ArchedThunder
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I don't see how that contradicts what I said, it's a tip and that tip could be a connecting point in the middle of the 12 universes.The Makai is underneath the universe.
The Makai is underneath the universe.
...The dragon ball universe is really weird lol. The Sun is almost as big as Heaven itself lol
ArchedThunder
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That's the otherworld's sun.
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