A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
It's like calling the show Dragon Ball Cho
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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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There's only so much Trunks can do without the support network Goku had.
-No Gohan to train him (although Roshi was still around at least in the OVA).
-No Namekian God.
-No Namekian Elder to unlock his potential.
-No dragon balls (altho Bulma could conceivably build a new spaceship)
-Probably no RoSaT.
-No teleport to go to Kaioh-sama for training.
-Nobody to fuse with (and no knowledge of the fusion ritual probably)
-No Old Kaioh to unleash his potential.
-No other saiyans to do the Super Saiyan God ritual.
-Probably no Whis to train him into acquiring God Ki? Maybe Whis was killed by Black Goku, but even without that, maybe Whis and Beerus haven't taken an interest on a ravaged earth that can produce no Super Saiyan Gods.
Future Trunks would be lucky to find the super holy water and maaaaaybe get to SSJ3, which ain't gonna do much good. Vegeta trained during the timeskip from Cell to Buu, mostly alone but with a gravity chamber, and barely could surpass Cell saga Gohan.
I'm sorry but that's just not true.
Beerus and Whis visited Goku themselves. Without them they would have NEVER improved as much as they did.
The Super Saiyan God legend existed in both timelines.
The only candidate in that timeline is Trunks. It's not impossible to believe Beerus and Whis would have gotten a different prediction by the fish oracle, not pointing out to Goku, that was meant to die, but to Trunks. Who was also a Super Saiyan and showed more potential than Goku ever did at his age.
Whis showed his interest in picking a new god of Destruction, if Beerus got killed by dark Goku, it would make sense that Whis would look for a super saiyan God.
After all, nobody else is stronger than Trunks in his universe, Buu never got revived.
Beerus and Whis visited Goku themselves. Without them they would have NEVER improved as much as they did.
The Super Saiyan God legend existed in both timelines.
The only candidate in that timeline is Trunks. It's not impossible to believe Beerus and Whis would have gotten a different prediction by the fish oracle, not pointing out to Goku, that was meant to die, but to Trunks. Who was also a Super Saiyan and showed more potential than Goku ever did at his age.
Whis showed his interest in picking a new god of Destruction, if Beerus got killed by dark Goku, it would make sense that Whis would look for a super saiyan God.
After all, nobody else is stronger than Trunks in his universe, Buu never got revived.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Black Goku does not kill Beerus or Whis from Future Trunks' timeline. Toriyama outright said Goku won't surpass Beerus let alone Whis. For Goku to defeat a Black Goku that defeated Whis/Beerus, he would have to eclipse Beerus.
Only way it's happening is if Gohan surpasses Beerus, or Vegeta and Goku fuse.
Wait...
Could Gohan not training be a plot point to put him on the level of Future Trunks?
Maybe we're going to see Future Trunks + Gohan fusion?
Only way it's happening is if Gohan surpasses Beerus, or Vegeta and Goku fuse.
Wait...
Could Gohan not training be a plot point to put him on the level of Future Trunks?
Maybe we're going to see Future Trunks + Gohan fusion?
It would be funny. Instead of FTrunks insipring present Trunks, it would be the other way around.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
It would be funny. Instead of FTrunks insipring present Trunks, it would be the other way around.
It's happening guys!
But what happened when Beerus and Whis visited Future Trunks?
Beerus: Hey do you know of Super Saiyan Godo?
Trunks: Nope. Let me ask a wish and ask the dragon for more info oh wait he is dead yeah sorry. Can you kill these two androids for me?
Beerus: Hahaha no. Fuck off.
*Whis and Beerus go away, uninterested in a planet that cannot offer them any good food*
Also, we do not know that Trunks is the strongest in his universe. There's Dabura right there for starters.
Beerus wasn't looking for someone to train into becoming SSJ God, he just wanted to find the SSJ God. When he came to Earth and nobody said they knew what that was, he was ready to blow up the planet. Future Trunks doesn't have any way to even find out what the legend is, much less have five other Saiyans to help him transform.
DiipuSurotu
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Maybe Future Trunks is a great cook.
pretty much
You guys are pointing out a hole in my theory that does not exist.
I never said Beerus visited Trunks.
I said Whis did.
Whis never does anything if it's too easy, he doesn't tell about weaknesses of enemies, he doesn't give solutions "flat out", ever.
But when shit needs to get done, he does.
Whis trained Vegeta into becoming a god without ritual. He also offered him the god of destruction role.
If Beerus gets killed by Dark Goku, a saiyan god, pretty sure he would look for the only other possible saiyan god, Trunks.
As for Trunks and Dabra, remember one thing please.
Dabra was as strong as a slacking Gohan, AFTER going through Babidi's control, that made Vegeta and Spopovitch so much stronger.
Natural Draba is much weaker than he showed.
Also, Trunks got killed, so that's another Zenkai for him, and he probably trained in the meanwhile too.
*please note, that every single saiyan in this show thought they had reach a limit, until proven wrong, and they were able to overcome it after witnessing it.
Exception being SSJ3 due to it being made up in Heaven. Trunks knows what kind of power he can obtain, thanks to Goku and Gohan, just like Goku and Vegeta reached ssj2 after witnessing it through Gohan.
I never said Beerus visited Trunks.
I said Whis did.
Whis never does anything if it's too easy, he doesn't tell about weaknesses of enemies, he doesn't give solutions "flat out", ever.
But when shit needs to get done, he does.
Whis trained Vegeta into becoming a god without ritual. He also offered him the god of destruction role.
If Beerus gets killed by Dark Goku, a saiyan god, pretty sure he would look for the only other possible saiyan god, Trunks.
As for Trunks and Dabra, remember one thing please.
Dabra was as strong as a slacking Gohan, AFTER going through Babidi's control, that made Vegeta and Spopovitch so much stronger.
Natural Draba is much weaker than he showed.
Also, Trunks got killed, so that's another Zenkai for him, and he probably trained in the meanwhile too.
*please note, that every single saiyan in this show thought they had reach a limit, until proven wrong, and they were able to overcome it after witnessing it.
Exception being SSJ3 due to it being made up in Heaven. Trunks knows what kind of power he can obtain, thanks to Goku and Gohan, just like Goku and Vegeta reached ssj2 after witnessing it through Gohan.
Astral Dog
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just imagine how threatening Goku would be if he was evil and more intelligent.
So... Turles?
gamerguy2002
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Watch it'll be the Androids and Cell arc all over again. "those villans look stupid, make better looking ones", "these kids aren't the final villains right?!", "Tell me this Cell thing evolves because he looks too much like a bug!"
I assume the ritual gives you some residual god ki and that's how Vegeta proceeded. Maybe we will see it with Pan this next episode.
Goku is super intelligent about fighting and strategies.
So you are just saying "imagine if Goku was evil".
Goku is super intelligent about fighting and strategies.
So you are just saying "imagine if Goku was evil".
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Is Trunks going to show up as a god y/n?
He has the blue hair already.
We don't really know about Dabura. Yamu and Spopovitch get deformed something fierce during the Majin control, and Majin Vegeta also seemed a little out of control at points. But Dabura is at all times pretty relaxed and chill. Maybe since he is supposed to be evil already the control went easier on him and just didn't give him that much of a power up. Remember that a big thing that the Majin possession did to Vegeta was to get him back to his unbridled evil form of thinking.
We don't really know how much more powerful it made Vegeta, but it clearly doesn't fill the gap between Cell saga Gohan (which regular Vegeta had achieved by Buu) and SSJ3 (which neither Vegeta nor Majin Vegeta never even approached), so the powerup wasn't THAT big.
Assuming a similar powerup for Dabura, which seems to be on Cell level while Majin, regular unpossesed Dabura could still be beyond Trunks' reach.
Here's the thing.
Super went out of its way to show that the Super Saiyan God was a god. It had new powers, new look etc...
SSBlue is not a god at all. It's just a new way to control Ki, that is what the gods use.
But they're not magical beings and don't have new abilities like God Goku did.
So no, Trunks is not a god. But it's possible he is on Goku and Vegeta's level, and that he's been trained by Whis.
Vegeta told Cabba training could lead him to SSJB, he didn't mention the ritual. Proving that SSJB is not a god form.
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It's even possible he has mastered the ki technique of Whis, and has the white hair while transformed.
They need Trunks' threat to be threatening for everybody, and the best way to do that is to have Trunks stronger.
Super went out of its way to show that the Super Saiyan God was a god. It had new powers, new look etc...
SSBlue is not a god at all. It's just a new way to control Ki, that is what the gods use.
But they're not magical beings and don't have new abilities like God Goku did.
So no, Trunks is not a god. But it's possible he is on Goku and Vegeta's level, and that he's been trained by Whis.
Vegeta told Cabba training could lead him to SSJB, he didn't mention the ritual. Proving that SSJB is not a god form.
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It's even possible he has mastered the ki technique of Whis, and has the white hair while transformed.
They need Trunks' threat to be threatening for everybody, and the best way to do that is to have Trunks stronger.
The Silver
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nah he saw Future Gohan and said "woah Whis this guy is a badass, I should leave this planet alone"
Seven Force
Banned
Whoa, whoa, I haven't kept up with Super news this week. What's even happening?
formasymphonic
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nothing to add here. just feel that the world needs to see this one more time.
Black Goku is the new villain.
Future Trunks comes back to warn the gang of Black Goku.
Gohan is out of shape.
Gohan: "Urm... I had this epiphany like 20 episodes ago. I've been training everyday since then. Thanks for your concern..."
Astral Dog
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but hopefully much more Goku-ish we dont want a rehashed movie villain.
"Goku is super intelligent about fighting and strategies.
So you are just saying "imagine if Goku was evil".
yeah but more ambitious and cunning too.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Future Trunks is returning in the next arc featuring Black (evil) Goku as the main villain. hype
Huh? Isn't SS Blue = god ki + SSJ? Doesn't the possession of god ki make someone a god?
Seven Force
Banned
What
For real
YYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS My boy is back!
I know he'll probably come back and start jobbing again but idgaf. CoolestDB character, y'all.
but hopefully much more Goku-ish we dont want a rehashed movie villain.
"Goku is super intelligent about fighting and strategies.
So you are just saying "imagine if Goku was evil".
yeah but more ambitious and cunning too.
He is cunning and ambitious. He bribes gods to get his way all the time.
Yamu had perfect control over his actions, Spopovitch was just sadistic. They pushed their bodies to the extreme and got those results. There are two reasons, 1) their human bodies were not initially trained to use this kind of power 2) Babidi sees them as pawn and doesn't mind if they overdo it.
2) Vegeta was not evil at all, he was lying to get his fight, Goku called him out and he was right 100%, Vegeta admitted it himself.
3) Vegeta went through the whole ordeal of getting the majin boost, to get something you think is marginal... Yeah no.
SSJ3 doesn't count because it's a useless form that can't be used by normal living beings.
Both Goku and Vegeta were at the maximum power of ssj2, after Vegeta turns majin.
Vegeta got really hurt Goku passed him, and he said he accepted babidi's deal because he saw how much Spopovitch improved with it.
Why would Dabra accept to be a puppet, if not to get much more power ? He was a devil KING, now a puppet, for the simple sake of getting more raw power.
You can't really spin it the way you want. Like sure we don't have facts to argue with, but it's hard to believe Dabra was on Cell's level without the boost.
And as for Trunks, zenkai boost from his death + years of training after witnessing Gohan's power. Still a lot for you to say Trunks might be leagues behind Dabra...
I don't know if that was from the FNF movie.
But not that's not true at all in Super. SSJB is a better controlled ki, but drains more stamina. They are not gods.
And Goku has never showed any of his god abilities ever again, after losing the god form. (dragon thingy, ki absorption, regeneration etc..)
They should bring which ever one of those names is the girl.
What trunks should have done was go back in time and pick up goku. Then travel to the future right before the androids kill everyone and kill them. Than go back in time to when Dr. Gero was born and kill him. Travel back to the future leave Goku behind and travel farther into the future and destroy the time machine. There all fixed avoiding all these ridiculous time lines.
Watch as they reveal that this multiverse is just part of an infinite Chronoverse with infinite timelines branching at every point in time.
It's already the case.
Time travel in DBZ is very smart.
You can't change anything from your time era. If you go back in time, you split timelines. There is no way to fix it.
Here the issue is different, because apparently, the power of the new foe is beyond time and space.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
He asked for news
I wonder how far in advance Toei knew of the Future Trunks arc now.
NeonZ
Member
It's specifically stated in Super that SSJB uses God Ki. The characters even say that they can't feel Goku's ki anymore when he transforms into the form while facing Freeza. It's also true that it seems to lack the new special abilities that Super added to SSJ God, but it's still a God form.
The Silver
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he's using god ki, he flat out says to Frieza in Super he's tapping into god ki and then turning super saiyan, it's original name had god in it before they shortened it, King Kai says Goku became a god on his own, his ki can't be felt by normal people, Gohan abd Roshi say he's super saiyan god
SSB is a god form
Piku_Ringo
Banned
Gohan training H Y P E
Ultra Numb
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I think this could be pretty good. While his main goal is to warn/help the gang from the new threat, he could also have a small side-plot with Gohan.
Trunks would be disappointed in Gohan. By the end of the Cell Saga [especially after indirectly causing Goku's death] Gohan took up the mantle as protector of the Earth. No more studying, he was the hero. The torch was passed from Father to Son.
However, it'll soon become clear to Trunks that there is actually more to it and he'll feel sympathy for him. It turns out that one of the biggest reasons why Gohan didn't fight/train for years is because he didn't want to set himself up to just let everyone down again and thus moved back to wanting to be a scholar. He had Cell in his hands and he let the bloodlust get to his head, he was overpowering Buu and he was tricked. Trunks will ultimately convince him to move on from the past and thus Gohan's training moves on from sparring with Piccolo to intense HTC and above level training like he did when he was a kid. A new Gohan begins to emerge.
Trunks point is basically: "Wake up. Goku and my Father won't always be around, you can't rely on them to always save the day. This tournament you told me about... what if the Earth was attacked while they away and you were powerless to stop it?"
Gohan will end up beating one of Black Goku's lieutenants/commanders, but this time he'll get the job done.
Here's the thing. I'm not gonna accept that argument.
Because TV fillers and movies before BOG have literally no value. Goku only tried to use SSJ3 twice after gaining his life back, in the canon.
Against Buu, it completely back fired and he admits himself it's because his body doesn't work the same way when alive.
Against Beerus, a fight that literally lasted 15 seconds. Those are the only two instances he was able to use it.
And the point remains, he was only able to come up with it because his body wasn't regulated by normal laws, when he was in the afterlife.
Gotenks has unlimited ki, but it drains its time limit.
It's not a natural evolution in my opinion. So not reaching that isn't really relevant. Just like how Vegeta was stronger than SSJ3 Goku without it. It showcases that pretty well.
As for SSB :
They literally have no abilities, they are just blue. The super saiyan God in Super was shown to have a variety of new abilities and felt like something different.
SSB is just SSJ with blue color so far. Dende is a god too, I'm not sure what value the title has really.
Dende can feel gods ki but humans can feel HIS ki, so whatever. I think they are being completely inconsistent and they should have made things clearer.
Piku_Ringo
Banned
It's likely Black Goku is Commander Black + Goku once their DNA is combined to create a new warrior? Or it really is just Turles Remake/remastered for a 2016 audience.
Sounds like the latter, but I'm hoping it's the former lol. Would honestly be pretty crazy if it's some RR Army experiment. The only way to beat Goku is to become Goku.
It's the closest frame of reference, due to him looking excatly like Goku and being evil. I understand what people mean when they keep saying Turles, despite it not being a perfect analogue.
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