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Dragon Ball Super |OT2| June 12: Judgment Day
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Not really. Newest info I can find is an English dub for Asian markets will come out in 2016.
The Silver
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Goku was always still hanging around, far more than Gohan was.
Gohan's fate felt like it was taking the piss out of the usual DBZ set up. He was set up exactly like Goku in that he was removed from everything until the last minute so he could save the day, however his big power up came from literally sitting on his ass, and he was now set up to beat the villain. Contrast this with how it took hard training and/or extreme emotional distress to beat Vegeta/Frieza/Cell. It was like it was all a big damn joke from the start.
Something similar happened in BOTG, Goku gets an easy free powerup and in the end he can't win, the lesson is you need to put in work and go through hell to earn those Ws. Unless your Vegeta.
Aaron Strife
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Either way would be fine for me tbh.
Would be nice if Roshi, Tien and Krillin participating in the battle against revived Freeza means they'll all get some power boost so they can stay in the game. Roshi especially, he didn't do anything in Z.
Is this God Ki a real thing they're bringing into the narrative? They're probably gonna give it to Mr. Satan.
NeonZ
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God Ki is a thing, but the only old characters so far that have obtained it are Goku and Vegeta.
We haven't seen what kind of preparation Piccolo does for the tournament though, so there's still a chance he might have it now too.
I'd have no problem with Piccolo getting God ki. Hell, makes more sense for him to have the power of a god, than Goku or Vegeta. I dig the concept of Super Saiyan God, but it came out of fucking nowhere. Kami was a lesser diety, could totally buy Piccolo with God Ki.
I love Super Saiyan god merely because the answer for the violent, arrogant race of Saiyans to get super powerful is to hold hands
Kyleripman
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You're getting my hopes up...
Also funny because it requires a bunch of pure hearted Saiyans, who were historically all evil, so why did the ritual even exist? Though I guess subsequent material has kinda softened the old Saiyan image.
Well he goes from this
To this
I know people are spouting "End of Z is no longer canon" nonsense (and it is nonsense), and "the art style has changed" etc., but this, to me, is a sign that he keeps himself in top form despite being a scholar.
Fuck his 'End of Z' design though.
Third Strike
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What's wrong with his EoZ design? It's the same as his Buu design, except he's not in his gi.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Not entirely true; he trained with the Z-sword for quite a bit before accidentally breaking it.
And that was Goku's fault.
I think it has to do with the fact that during the Cell Saga AT wrote Gohan so well and made him a badass. He was number 1 in the character polls. During the Post-Cell Saga's AT tried to make him cool with that saiyaman shit but instead he dropped in the polls. So more like "Damn, I fucked up Gohan. Oh well I still have Goku"
The one bang makes or breaks his design.
I actually prefer him having his hair down though. Where it spikes up when he's transformed.
Wasn't it his editor that convinced him to bring back Goku as the focus?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Another funny thing I noticed is that people have been joking about Gohan getting "Super Saiyan Green," when the only two entirely original outfits he's worn have been green (Saiyaman and tracksuit). Green seems to be his color.
This is from his Daizenshuu 2 interview apparently:
Interviewer: And then the Cell arc ended. Did you think that everyone felt you would put Gohan into the leading role?
Toriyama: I intended to put Gohan into the leading role. It didn't work out. I felt that compared to Goku, he was ultimately not suited for the part.
This topic in general has a lot of good info for this type of information regarding intended endings, editing, etc. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15102
NeonZ
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Nah, his Buu Saga editor let Toriyama do whatever he wanted. Toriyama's official explanation is that he didn't feel Gohan was adequate for the role, but he never said why he changed his view regarding him.
He never said why but based on his other comments about the series' popularity/polls I feel there was some influence there.
The Silver
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Maybe I confused it with the decision to make Goku grown up.
The way he got the Mystic form was lame. I say that as a Gohan fan.
With that said, the power he gains in the Cell saga is about as earned as it was for Goku in the Frieza saga.
That sums up the Buu saga as a whole really. Lots of lame decisions and free power-ups.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
ALL power ups in the Buu saga were lame. Goten and Trunks got Super Saiyan because whatever, Goku trained to achieve SS3 off screen, Gotenks was able to mimic it just because, and Gohan had an old guy dance around him. Even Goten and Trunks' training in the time chamber was made into a gag. Gohan training with the Z-sword is the only legitimate training in the entire story arc, lol.
Buu's power ups were much cooler. Evil Buu vs. Fat Buu and the resulting Super Buu is still one of the most interesting villain transformations.
Buu's power ups were much cooler. Evil Buu vs. Fat Buu and the resulting Super Buu is still one of the most interesting villain transformations.
Yeah, this
Let's not forget Vegeta's Majin power up.
Indeed.
I've frequently voiced my dislike for most things post-Cell. As far as what I liked......... 18 blackmailing Hercule was pretty great.
Indeed.
I've frequently voiced my dislike for most things post-Cell. As far as what I liked......... 18 blackmailing Hercule was pretty great.
Gohan ends the Cell saga as the most popular character tho.
You have zilch to support that theory; there's no reason to think Toriyama choose the Gohan issue to lie.
The reality is that Goku is a much better lead.
Toriyama didn't change his mind until well into the Buu arc.
The reality is Toriyama returned to the status quo that he was comfortable with.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
The reality is that he probably thought it would be so hilarious if Gohan dropped the potara earring. Z-sword turning into Old Kai was also SO FUNNY amirite guys
Midway into Gohan vs. Buu he most likely thought to himself that "Goku and Vegeta fusing would be so awesome"
Midway into Gohan vs. Buu he most likely thought to himself that "Goku and Vegeta fusing would be so awesome"
sleverfunk
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lmao i just saw the abridge ep 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB0dHXhaqqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB0dHXhaqqY
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
What else is there to talk about right now?
How about Piccolo? He's in the tournament. How is he going to seriously compete with everyone else?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Steal gohan's life force for a minimal power boost then steal puar's life force for a larger power boost
Most people in here started with Z so it's not surprising? Gohan's still a very popular character.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah didn't think about god ki as something anyone could have apparently. Give that to Piccolo asap. Have him turn red or something idk
Gohan was me dudes. Like no joke I grew up relating HELLA with the character's motivations:
Like that's me man. I am Gohan.
- Want to protect those he loves without fighting if necessary
- Will fight to protect the ones he loves if necessary
- Nerdy yet willing to train oneself
- Loves his wife and loves hanging around her all the time
Like that's me man. I am Gohan.
Blackleg-sanji1
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I for one think we should move on...to goten bullshit! *fullcircle
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I also fully expect Monaka to transform.
Probably into something Hatchiyack-esque.
Probably into something Hatchiyack-esque.
Toriyama changed his mind as soon as the new Tenkaichi Budokai started. Which is just a handful of chapters after the defeat of Cell. The Buu saga starts in 421, with Gohan going to high school and having adventures and deciding to dress up as a super hero.
If Toriyama had changed his mind well into the Buu arc, well, I'd expect Goku only to appear and take the center stage well into the Buu arc.
Instead, in 425, Videl blackmails Gohan into entering the Budokai. So that is the extent of Gohan adventures as a super hero. Goku announces he is coming to the tournament in 426. Goku comes back to Earth in 430. Gohan starts losing the focus around here. In 440, the chapter where Videl starts fighting, Gohan only appears in two panels, while Goku is much more important.
The focus is completely lost around 456, where Majin Vegeta appears. Gohan is declared weaker than in the Cell saga in 455, although the point was made in 444 too. In 444 Goku is the one who decides to follow Kaiohshin, not Gohan, and Vegeta follows suit, as to not lose his chance to beat Kakarot. So for a guy who is supposed to be the protagonist, he is not really taking the lead at all. Goku is the one driving the plot here, not Gohan.
After that, Goku will get the centerstage, fighting, coordinating the attacks and teaching useful new techniques and negotiating with the Kaioshins. Gohan meanwhile is training with these Kaiohshins. Goku is actually pretty active for a guy who is dead and is supposed to have passed the torch to Gohan.
Why? because Gohan's plot was supposed to be his superheroics, and that was immediately seen as not working. Is at this point that I think Toriyama decides to bring Goku back as main character. I think it happened as early as 428, or maybe when Videl mentions the Budokai, seeing as that is the big swerve of the story away from Great Saiyaman.
There are two other indicators. Never before in DB the protagonist actually got weaker. This is something that Vegeta brings up twice, but he only mentions it once the Budokai starts, so I assume Toriyama decided on this detail _after_ giving up on Gohan.
In the initial handful of chapters where Gohan is clearly supposed to be the protagonist, we have no indication at all that he got weaker. Why would he?
The other indicator is that the Tenkaichi Budokai is used to abort a previous storyline (Gohan as Superhero) whereas in the three previous instances of it, the Tenkaichi Budokai is an objective in itself, not something like a weird side story that somehow absorbed the main plot; Gohan himself had no interest in the tournament until Videl forces him to go.
Those two plot points don't really fit with the rest of the dragon ball story, a story which is very repetitive, so that strikes me as evidence that the course had to be corrected super early on.
Claude Augario
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Why does Gohan even need glasses?
Before TV and Computer were suppose to make your eyes go bad, it was books.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
TheRealTalker
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enters thread
clicks through pages.... sees mostly Gohan gibberish
leaves thread
clicks through pages.... sees mostly Gohan gibberish
leaves thread
Nowhere is it stated his vision. He could be near-sighted for all we know.
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