Maybe we'll get a callback next episode.
Tien knows, so it'd be funny if Goku didn't want to save Roshi, and instead look for Jackie Chun.
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Tien knows, so it'd be funny if Goku didn't want to save Roshi, and instead look for Jackie Chun.
Mister Wolf
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That would make complete sense I mean why else wouldn't it be able to be perceived.
Chief Devin
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If someone who watches the past few episodes, seen the characters explicitly say power levels don't matter, or even read one interview with the man who made the series say they don't matter still worries about them then they're being willfully ignorant.
The whole point of this tournament is teamwork. The scouters were a metaphor for power level;s not mattering. They blew up and were unreliable. The people who depended on power levels like Frieza and his henchmen were constantly caught off guard and ultimately met their downfall for paying attention to them.
Go read the dragon ball super manga and see how fucking boring and lame it is when some one writes the show caring about power levels.
The whole point of this tournament is teamwork. The scouters were a metaphor for power level;s not mattering. They blew up and were unreliable. The people who depended on power levels like Frieza and his henchmen were constantly caught off guard and ultimately met their downfall for paying attention to them.
Go read the dragon ball super manga and see how fucking boring and lame it is when some one writes the show caring about power levels.
Icyflamez96
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Are you trying to say that they don't matter? Because they do. That's not to say strategy and tactics can't overcome a power gap, but most of the fights are written in a way where the person who ultimately has the higher power level wins, because most of the fights (in Z+) come down to a brawl. They'll just matter less for the sake of this tournament since Toriyama wants to write it in such a way where teamwork and tactics will be more relevant.
The only reason scouters were ineffective was because people could mask their power levels or surpass their previous limits.
Also keep in mind that the reason why teamwork is important here is because they're fighting by tournament rules. As Krillin showed Gohan, in a straight fight with no rules, Gohan would kick his ass. In a fight with set rules, Krillin has a chance to win.
And teamwork was the reason why Black and Future Zamasu were so dangerous. Black was strong on his own, but he was nearly unstoppable when paired with Future Zamasu's immortality and being able to combine attacks with him.
As for most fights in Z coming down to a brawl, that is only really true for the grunts. All the final villains in Z needed teamwork to some extent, with Vegeta and Buu being the most standout examples.
Icyflamez96
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I know, but even power level is extremely important when it comes to the direction of which the tide will flow. Goku wouldn't have had to use the spirit bomb on kid Buu if he was simply much stronger.
I think we're pretty much on the same page with this.
I just I always find it bizarre when people want to go after other fans for this issue. Power levels are as important as they are. Most fans take them as seriously as the show takes them. I'm not talking about "crazy bs power jumps", I'm saying that if there is a weaker character and a stronger one (PL wise), the stronger one will win when it comes to brawling, (unless one is weakened or something) which has been a big part of DB for a long time.
His criticism should be directed at the show itself if anything, not fans just taking what the show gives them. That criticism being directed at a fan would only really be valid if that individual were complaining like "it's illogical that Gohan got outsmarted by Super Buu because Gohan had the higher power level!" or "Under NO circumstance should Piccolo have won that fight with Gohan last episode because Gohan was stronger when he went mystic!!"
If we're talking Power Levels and the whole "Super Saiyan God and Beerus could destroy the Universe by fighting though!", it's fair to point out that Goku nearly destroyed the world by going Super Saiyan 3 because of the sheer power it generated, ...and then it was pulled off like nothing within 10 episodes of the same arc! So in terms of power levels and forms having an effect on the planet/universe, yeah, they seem pretty lax on that outside of the debut to push how strong a new form is.
Icyflamez96
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One being more used to the transformation makes it so you can control it better when you transform into it
is how I always took it
The Silver
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If Roshi gets trolled out of this arc me and Toriyama are gonna have some words, unless it's to sub in Yajirobe.
Undead Fantasy
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I would agree with that change.
That'd make sense IF it was Goku's first time going SSJ3 but he states that it's a form he's been using in the afterlife, and at that point in time he's still dead, so it should still be the same strain. To go from a six minute power up that shakes the Earth and causes electrical overloads to just switching it on and off in the same day seems a little funny.
Obviously Buu will be substituted for a citizen of the demon realm.
Then again, I don't know if they'd qualify. I mean....I'm assuming people in heaven/other world don't qualify.
The demon realm also apparently has its own gods, so I don't even know where they line up in the whole multiversal hierarchy.
Then again, I don't know if they'd qualify. I mean....I'm assuming people in heaven/other world don't qualify.
The demon realm also apparently has its own gods, so I don't even know where they line up in the whole multiversal hierarchy.
Icyflamez96
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Oh it is.
Didn't he say something about how he doesn't know how his living body would handle the form outside of the otherworld?
Might be a dubism but he did say his living body, which if I'm not mistaken, his day pass on Earth wasn't his actual living body just his body that he gets to keep in otherworld, ...it's a confusing matter that's brushed aside anyway.
There was an interview with Toriyama that was vague.
he basically aluded to the current roster of 10 not being the final roster before the tournament.
It exchanges 25% of your health to replace you with a doll. It's Goku's new move.
Toyotarou.
Might as well wait until the 7th or so when NewType/Animedia leaks and we'll get info on episodes 90-93.
That's actually been one of the most frustrating inconsistencies this series has had since Z. Vegeta powering up in the Saiyan Saga could shake the entire planet and fuck up weather systems, but later on Goku going Super Saiyan planet-side does jack-shit. And then in another episode you have Goku or Vegeta shaking the planet powering-up! There's like no consistency with those types of feats.
Icyflamez96
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Along with my post above, I just take it as an emotional thing. Whether the character is mad, more composed, or just feels like showing off or looking threatening.
It makes things more fun.
TheSpoiler
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True.
Even so, it's a large ass jump. I think most people would have been alright with a ripple that affected planets around them though.
That's a good way to look at it. It really could just be a way of showing off, or intimidating an opponent. Nappa rocking the earth makes a lot more sense when you think of it that way!
I guess it's worth pointing out that wasn't the case in the manga.
Lol, Buu should actually be able to pull that move if he wanted, and steal Transform from Pokémon too while he's at it.
Welfare
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I think it is a combination of that and possibly the effects of a sudden new power is nullified if stronger beings are already present. Like, the world already felt the power of Gohan/Buutenks, why would Goku powering up add anything substantial to shake the world again? Like Bleach's spiritual pressure.
Undead Fantasy
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You are correct.
TheSpoiler
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Manga is doing its own thing. It's kinda off the path now.
Meant the part about Super Saiyan 3 nearly destroying the world
Even Yamcha could probably destroy the earth if he wanted. It's most just that villains wanted to stay around and fight. That's what made Kid Buu so dangerous since he was willing to just straight up go with destroying the Earth.
RareFantasy64
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How trivial blowing up planets became bugged me about power levels. It's not impressive at all that Beerus is a planet destroyer or a god of destruction. Frieza was that.
Hell, the Goku vs Vegeta beam struggle could have resulted in an exploded Earth if Goku lost. Toriyama went way too big way too fast with that.
I think it's impressive that it's just so damn casual for him. It's truly nothing to a Destroyer God. In the manga especially, I was absolutely delighted seeing Beerus and Champa effortlessly destroying planets, with simple physical blows. Even Frieza, a notable planet buster, has had to put in a bit more ooomph than that, lol.
Nah. He was out of his mind lol. I believed him 100%. He was gonna detonate the core. Would give him plenty of time to get to his pod.
Maybe Vegeta was bluffing.
He sure didn't look like he was bluffing.
I didn't really think about this until I talked to a friend about Battle of Gods. He pointed out that just about everyone at the party could probably destroy the Earth at this point.
While we're on inconsistent measures of strength, remember that Raditz was faster than the speed of light, and then the Ginyu Force was amazed because Goku was faster than the speed of light. Not to mention that we were already at the point where normal humans couldn't follow the fighters' speed back in Krillin versus Jackie Chun fight.
RareFantasy64
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On Toriyama's comment about the roster...
Edit: Toyotarou made the comment, not Toriyama
Could we get a second opening soon that will incorporate the roster change?
Edit: Toyotarou made the comment, not Toriyama
Again, Toyotarou made the comment. And it was fairly vague, I wouldn't read too much into it for now.
I'm sticking with the idea that this isn't a thing for U-7 and is for one of the other universes. You don't stick 10 guys on promotional material and not use those 10 guys.
RareFantasy64
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Oh my bad. I thought a user said is was Toriyama. I will edit my post to clear up confusion
These are the thoughts I'm having as well
Can I comment on spoilers without having read any? Just looking at your post:
We saw Caulifla in the OP with U11's team. Could Toyotaro be talking about her being recruited for U6's team and then then leaving for U11's team? Maybe she switches from the pink costume with her hair up to the red costume with the bang when she joins the Pride Troopers or something.
Fulminator
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When Goku went ss3 against fat buu, he artificially extended the transformation time to buy time for trunks to get the dragon radar
E: at least that's how I understood it
Undead Fantasy
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I don't. Goku demonstrated mad respect for Piccolo by telling him about it.
The same respect as 17
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