TheSadRanger
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/shrug random encounters never bothered me on the PS2 version. If you want to explore without being bothered there was always holy water.
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Dragon Quest VIII PS2 or 3ds version
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Since we're talking about the orchestra mod for DQ8 on 3DS, can it be used with the retail cart? I would rather have the save for the game on my cart, not my console. I'd be crushed if I lost a save file 80 hours into the game because I lost my 3DS or it broke.
I assume that Luma's layeredfs compatibility should be able to run the orchestra mod, but was it ever released in such a format?
Edit: Nevermind! Just after posting the question I found the answer on the 3DSHacks subreddit
I assume that Luma's layeredfs compatibility should be able to run the orchestra mod, but was it ever released in such a format?
Edit: Nevermind! Just after posting the question I found the answer on the 3DSHacks subreddit
Emulated, the PS2 version is a ton faster. There is no waiting in battle.
And going in and out of random battles is much faster than the 3DS.
Also 60fps of course.
autoduelist
Member
I had an absolute blast with the PS2 version. Alongside Chrono Trigger and Skies of Arcadia, my favorite JRPGs.
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Yes and no.
What you have to do is install full CFW on the 3DS. Then you have to dump your cartridge, and dump the save file. You have to then install the orchestra tracks over the dump, recompile it and install it to your 3DS, as a digital title. So you can't overwrite the orchestra mod to the cart.
You can ask for more details, but that's the gist of it. It's a looong process, but it was worth it to me to have the orchestra mod plus all the benefits of custom firmware.
Since we're talking about the orchestra mod for DQ8 on 3DS, can it be used with the retail cart? I would rather have the save for the game on my cart, not my console. I'd be crushed if I lost a save file 80 hours into the game because I lost my 3DS or it broke.
I assume that Luma's layeredfs compatibility should be able to run the orchestra mod, but was it ever released in such a format?
Edit: Nevermind! Just after posting the question I found the answer on the 3DSHacks subreddit
This is kinda outdated, since you can also run the orchestrated mod on a cart now via Luma. Doesn't overwrite the cart, but you can load the game up with the orchestrated files on the SD card.
Also, I don't think it was brought up, but with CFW you can easily backup your save with JK's Save Manager. So in theory, if you lose your 3DS or break it, if you get another 3DS and mod it you can easily transfer your saves there. I already backed up my completed Pokedex saves for Pokemon for example.
OmegaDL50
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I think you are confused here. The Japanese PS2 release had a midi synth soundtrack. The PS2 when localized was given an orchestrated soundtrack.
There is apparently two orchestrated soundtracks.
One for the NTSC U/C release of DQ8, and one for the 3DS Japanese release which is supposedly better than even the PS2 US version.
The removal of the Orchestrated music in a western release only applies to the 3DS versions of DQ7 and 8 in this case.
How does that work exactly? Right now I've installed the modded version of the game on my New 3DS. I would much rather play it on my New 3DS XL, though, but don't want to risk installing it there, since that one is connected to the internet.
I regret that I didn't buy the digital version tbh.
Whenever Sugiyama dies or retires you can be assured of thee thing:
1) SquareEnix will pay the license to use Sugiyama music.
2) SquareEnix will attain the rights of whatever new music is composed for the series.
3) The composer tasked to do new music for the series will adopt a style similar to Sugiyama.
Still requires CFW so if you're concerned about modding the 3DS being connected to the internet it's probably not an option for you.
You basically install the newest version of Luma and then download the Dragon Quest 8 LayeredFS patch that's floating around the 'net. (Google it).
There's one for DQ7 as well.
Oh, I know all about 3DS CFW. I'm pretty active in that topic
I was asking if the patch was available in LayeredFS format to be externally loaded by Luma. I rather not use the CIA file for this game.
Yeah, I've used JKSM in the past. I went back and forth between the retail cart and my own dump of OoT3D a while back. I found the info I needed about the LayeredFS patch on Reddit, so I'll go that way. Best of both worlds for me, and I'm using a fraction of the space I'd need for the CIA version
Thanks a bunch, will do that!
There is already CFW on the XL, but I only really used it to install the modded version of DQ VII (which I did buy digital). I don't want to install any games on it though, that I didn't buy in the eShop. That's why I intended to use the normal 3DS for DQ VIII. Will try your alternative now, though!
Alex_Mexico
Member
Now I'm curious. What toxic opinions???
I installed the LayeredFS patches for both DQ VII and VIII. Easy peasy. I'm still amazed by how far 3DS homebrew has come. I remember back in the day, all the hoops you had to go through to load the Homebrew Launcher. It's nothing short of incredible.
Dude, seriously. It's the second time you do this. First with the QoL improvements, now with this. Read the thread, because it's been said already a couple of times. The man is a WW2 denier: he doesn't acknowledge any of the atrocities that Japan did during the war.
Dude, seriously. It's the second time you do this. First with the QoL improvements, now with this. Read the thread, because it's been said already a couple of times. The man is a WW2 denier: he doesn't acknowledge any of the atrocities that Japan did during the war.
Alex_Mexico
Member
Im sorry I don't comb through hundreds of posts. Thanks for the response. I did read about him holding DQ music hostage but didn't know he was a WW2 denier. He's also super old so I wonder if that kind of shit is more common with the older, more traditional guard of citizens. But yeah he's a shithead.
This still doesn't explain why the random denying of orquestrated music for the west while Japan gets them now (except for DQXI).
ss_lemonade
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Since when was the ps2 version 60fps? Or is there a hack/patch on pcsx2 to increase the framerate?
It was posted literally five posts after one of yours in the last page, and four before your next post...
Anyway. His views on WW2 have nothing to do with the music of Dragon Quest. It's a matter of licensing and rights management, not political ideologies.The two matters aren't related, as far as I know.
OuterLimits
Gold Member
3DS definitely. I loved the PS2 version, but would have a hard time playing it now after enjoying the 3DS version. Having enemies on the map, New characters/dungeons/content and instant alchemy pot far outweigh the graphics/music downgrade in my opinion. Plus it's portable of course. I still enjoy the music on the 3DS but definitely think the orchestral version on PS2 is better.
It's an awesome game on PS2 of course, but Square did a fantastic job on both DQ 7 and 8 for the 3DS.
It's an awesome game on PS2 of course, but Square did a fantastic job on both DQ 7 and 8 for the 3DS.
I played DQ VII with and without the orchestral music. To me it's not even close the orchestral music blows away the MIDI music.
Lightning Lord
Banned
The graphics aren't nearly as a big of a deal as some people make out.
The MIDI OST is actually pretty good.
But the 3DS Japanese orchestrated OST is the best, and it's extremely easy to install on an English copy. If you can setup an emulator, you are definitely smart enough to install custom firmware on a 3DS.
Seriously, you don't even notice that things are missing on a 240p screen. You especially wouldn't notice if you haven't even played the PS2 version before since the 3DS version looks fine on its own.
entremet
Member
The worse if them all.
It's not. Unless you emulate it at 200% speed.
Waldo Lydecker
Member
Not port-begging by any means but if there is a game that deserves a remake / remaster into 1080p and 60fps than it is this game. Just look at how damn good this game looks on emulation...
Yeah that text does not upscale well.
I have both and I would absolutely recommend the 3DS version first. The visuals aren't THAT much of a downgrade to be honest and there are so many quality of life improvements.
However, I am also mainly a handheld player and I find the experience there to be more convenient and often more immersive. I certainly miss the orchestrated soundtrack, to the point that I may hack one of my 3DS' just to patch it back in.
However, I am also mainly a handheld player and I find the experience there to be more convenient and often more immersive. I certainly miss the orchestrated soundtrack, to the point that I may hack one of my 3DS' just to patch it back in.
So I have made my decision. I am going 3ds. I picked up my copy a little bit ago and patched the orchestral music back into the game using luma3ds. I want to thank everyone in this thread for your feedback and helping me with this decision!
I am a fan of the series since I was a child. My family had a NES when I was 8 and we got the first Dragon Warrior game via the Nintendo power subscription deal. It was my first ever rpg. I loved it. I also have beaten Dragon Warrior IV. I own and need to play through the DQ IV DS remake, DQ V DS, DQ VI DS, DQ VII 3DS, and now DQ VIII 3ds.
I am really excited to play DQ8 for the first time!
I am a fan of the series since I was a child. My family had a NES when I was 8 and we got the first Dragon Warrior game via the Nintendo power subscription deal. It was my first ever rpg. I loved it. I also have beaten Dragon Warrior IV. I own and need to play through the DQ IV DS remake, DQ V DS, DQ VI DS, DQ VII 3DS, and now DQ VIII 3ds.
I am really excited to play DQ8 for the first time!
Dakhil
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Gunslinger
Member
So what makes the 3ds version so Superior? I am actually thinking about getting it but I have the PS2 version already.
Dakhil
Member
I'm going to quote brinstar here. The quality of life improvements in the Nintendo 3DS version, for me, made the Nintendo 3DS version the best version for me, even though I've played both versions.
Gunslinger
Member
These are fine additions but is it missing anything from the ps2 era? aside from downgraded graphics from ps2 version.
Reading this thread it seems like this is a Persona 3 situation again between FES and P3P. The handheld version willhave better gameplay, but the console one will have superior presentation. It makes it difficult to recommend a definitive version, and also choose which one to play, if any.
The answer is the same with Persona 3. Hope Square release another version on PS4/Switch with the best of both worlds!
The answer is the same with Persona 3. Hope Square release another version on PS4/Switch with the best of both worlds!
Spacejaws
Member
Honeslty not into it myself because I enjoy random encounters more than Blue Dragon style enemies onscreen.
Won't spend the cash on such a huge change. I'm sure it's great for those that don't like random encounters but I've always enjoyed them in RPG's. I've still got the PS2 copy and can play it emulated and that's where I'll stay.
Not sure why they didn't just make it a menu or new game toggle. Surely it wouldn't have been hard...
Won't spend the cash on such a huge change. I'm sure it's great for those that don't like random encounters but I've always enjoyed them in RPG's. I've still got the PS2 copy and can play it emulated and that's where I'll stay.
Not sure why they didn't just make it a menu or new game toggle. Surely it wouldn't have been hard...
Adam Prime
hates soccer, is Mexican
Wise choice. Although an easy one... do you want to play an 50+ hour game confined to the TV or be able to take it wherever you go? Depends on your lifestyle, but I've enjoyed playing this game waiting for an oil change or on public transport, etc.
Dakhil
Member
Some costumes were censored, due to the CERO being more strict with the guidelines to achieve an "A" (All Ages) rating.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArJ7If-RsMU
And some cutscenes were censored as well, apparently because Yuji Horii didn't like the original cutscenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3XkF6SGiMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0v2wWxOpw
No cuts were made. Only Jessica voice was changed since SE lost her voice so they redubbed. Also they added new endings, new Dungeon and new char. 3ds version is the definitive version for sure.
Gunslinger
Member
Thanks a lot man. Will pick this up today later. My commute to work is a 1 hour 30 min subway ride lol. Was looking for a 3ds game to keep me busy haha.
entremet
Member
Not an accurate comparison since P3P edits a lot of content out. VIII does not. It actually has more in the 3DS version.
I dont think its a difficult decision at all based on the QoL improvements. Except of you really hate portable gaming.
Considering I rarely play games on the road this was a non factor for me. Actually the ability to play the game on a 55 inch ks8000 tv was one of the factors making my decision so difficult.