RapidCancel
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Damn, I wanted to use an arcade stick to play this, but it looks like you'll need both analog sticks plus the dpad.
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Dragon's Crown Week at IGN
- Thread starter KDash31987
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My roommate came in while I was watching yesterday's IGN video and thought the game was cool until I told him it was a $50 title. It's a shame that people look down on 2D artwork.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This trend of europeans (specifically UK ) Vita owners like second class scum is starting to grate on my nerves.
I was looking forward to this and muramasa. Why cant the english language version be sold in europe? If they can afford to localize, that would be enough for most.
I was looking forward to this and muramasa. Why cant the english language version be sold in europe? If they can afford to localize, that would be enough for most.
Brianimaniac
Banned
I'm quickly losing interest in this one. First it was that thing that came out saying that it would take 20 hours to finish with a single character, which seems bloated as all hell. But I also play as female characters in anything that'll let me, and that character video makes all three seem difficult to play as. That really sucks that the Amazon is so weak defensively.
Storm Chamber
Banned
The cursor pretty much solidified my Vita choice.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Elf/Wizard/Sorceress all the way.
Not gonna touch Amazon or Dwarf at all, ick.
Indifferent about the Knight dude.
Not gonna touch Amazon or Dwarf at all, ick.
Indifferent about the Knight dude.
Pretty much how I feel.
Boogalogist
Member
This game looks more and more amazing. Day ONE!!
Sorceress, Amazon, Elf....in that order!
Sorceress, Amazon, Elf....in that order!
Worst part about combat is that the movement up and down planes is too slow imo, and that down+attack often comes out when you want to simply move down, then attack.
Just something to get used to, but very annoying.
The vertical and horizontal movement of all the characters is pretty surprising given how slow non-sprint movement is.
Just something to get used to, but very annoying.
The vertical and horizontal movement of all the characters is pretty surprising given how slow non-sprint movement is.
Arrows are drops and you can recover hit arrows iirc
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Elf or knight for me. I'll take the wizard if I ever wanna try magic, the sorceress's boobies are way too stupid-looking and distracting, lol.
pillowtalk
Member
You can set the game to easy difficulty. You can also resurrect in combat multiple (infinite?) times. All characters have a dodge button, and the amazon has a block. I would say only the mage might be a little difficult since her fighting style is pretty different since it uses MP for everything (including dodge).
meltingparappa
Member
I want to say that the shadow alignment thing has been an utter staple of the beat 'em up genre and utterly crucial in a game of say... Golden Axe.
Then I realize not everyone has played Golden Axe and I suddenly feel very old.
Weltall Zero
Member
I wouldn't base character assessments on offhand comments by IGN who probably haven't played it for more than a couple hours. If anything, being an advanced character will get you more mileage out of them in the end.
Seems perfectly fine to me in every video I've seen, and on par or quicker than most sidescrolling beat'em ups. :/
Well, my first sidescrolling beat'em up was this, so...
meltingparappa
Member
You are a good person.
Also I greatly prefer the manual walking up and down to the plane switching in Guardian Heroes, and I'm glad Vanillaware agrees!
I have some concerns regarding the manual walk up and down in this case if it becomes an issue for targeting magic. I'm hoping that they make the depth of the hitbox fairly broad and more generous for splash damage.
I'll be starting Sorceress. Might also play Amazon and Knight.
I'll be starting Sorceress. Might also play Amazon and Knight.
1. can't really comment as it hasn't really been talked about in detail, but it seems to at least have an unidentified item system, and a decent amount of equipment.
2. nope, vita plays with vita, ps3 with ps3... though you can take your save from the ps3 and play it on the vita, and your vita save and play it on the ps3.
Thanks! Well, in that case I think I'm simply going to stick with Vita. While I'd love to see it in glorious HD on a bigger screen, my life is pretty intense right now, so mobility is pretty important to me. Appreciate the quick response!
Boogalogist
Member
HOLY SHIT...Renegade on the Spectrum! I loved that game. I love Target: Renegade as well! Never thought I'd see that screenshot again.
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Bullshit, get it for the PS3 too!
Fuck real life!
If you pre-ordered a little earlier you saved some money
Saved $3 on Vita, $5 on PS3 version, they're back to normal prices now
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yeah I went "duh!" at the shadow alignment thing too. I guess that makes me old too? 
Although I don't remember Renegade, was definitely too young. And holy crap @ that screenshot, what is wrong with those colours? Are the dudes transparent or what? xD
Although I don't remember Renegade, was definitely too young. And holy crap @ that screenshot, what is wrong with those colours? Are the dudes transparent or what? xD
Weltall Zero
Member
For having played Renegade or for making you feel less old?
Oh, for sure. It's not a proper sidescrolling beat'em up without non-discrete vertical movement. It's... another thing.
Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like this game has stuff like, say, Mystara's elemental weapons, let alone dual wielding, two handed weapons or the morning star. So far the differences between weapons seem mostly cosmetic and stat-wise, with passive skills at the most.
I'm afraid not.
While I did play a lot of Speccy Renegade way back, I only played Target: Renegade on a friend (cousin, I think?)'s Amstrad, once. I was blown away that you could actually pick up weapons and use them!
I also played quite a bit of the adventure modes of both Exploding Fist 2 and Barbarian 2, which may or may not count as beat'em ups. As well as a lot of the respective originals in versus mode, of course. Huh, strange as it might seem, up until right now I hadn't realized the paralelisms between both (versus-exclusive first game, deep adventure-like second game).
Yeah I went "duh!" at the shadow alignment thing too. I guess that makes me old too?
Although I don't remember Renegade, was definitely too young. And holy crap @ that screenshot, what is wrong with those colours? Are the dudes transparent or what? xD
The Spectrum can only represent two colors on each "tile" of the screen, therefore programmers had three options:
1) Make the entire game black and white.
2) Make "color-transparent" characters.
3) "Color bleed", i.e. characters "painting" their colors temporarily onto background tiles as they touched them.
The Spectrum is an ancient machine, pal.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
LOL.... wow. You don't say.The Spectrum can only represent two colors on each "tile" of the screen, therefore programmers had three options:
1) Make the entire game black and white.
2) Make "color-transparent" characters.
3) "Color bleed", i.e. characters "painting" their colors temporarily onto background tiles as they touched them.
The Spectrum is an ancient machine, pal.
Wait a minute. *looks up the Spectrum on Wikiepedia* You saying 1982 is ancient? Whaaaaa? How dare you, I was born that year! *shakes cane*
KDash31987
Member
Day 4: Exploring the World of Hydeland: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/07/11/exploring-the-world-of-ps3-and-vitas-dragons-crown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EQEgcvhaHQ
Edit: The video covers the hub town along with quick looks at the first six levels. Just figured I'd add that in case anyone doesn't wanna see those before they play it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EQEgcvhaHQ
Edit: The video covers the hub town along with quick looks at the first six levels. Just figured I'd add that in case anyone doesn't wanna see those before they play it.
Sure looked like a lot of broken down architecture there. That's okay though. I'm still super hyped. I wonder what the OST sounds like?
meltingparappa
Member
WHAT they do that? But I pre-ordered it back when it was $40.
I think I have my Last Guardian pre-order from ever ago, and I haven't received any notice about that.
Weltall Zero
Member
Heh. Funnily enough, the videogame system I first played on was also released the same year I was born:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_2600
Nice, that video was definitely more interesting than the previous one. Such beautiful and consistent attention to detail, the city is awesome. The stages feel more distinct than what I was fearing, at least for now.
The less we hear from kotaku the better.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
The longest beat 'em up ever was like 6 hours from start to finish, so they are really setting up a goal of 20 hours?
it's not so much a goal, as it's already been confirmed that it will take 20 hours to beat the story (per each character you want to do it with)
I haven't heard if the character you play effects the story though. If each of the characters have a unique story you are looking at 100 plus hours to see the whole story o.o;
also while the gameplay is very beat 'em up, ign has said repeatedly it's just as much a full fledged rpg as it is a beat 'em up.
meltingparappa
Member
I hate how in this video they kept mentioning "...which we can't tell you" or "...and that's all we're allowed to show."
I'm not particularly interested in the specifics of their NDA and it feels really tacky to suddenly shoehorn it in.
I'm not particularly interested in the specifics of their NDA and it feels really tacky to suddenly shoehorn it in.
Well, my original order was 7/11/12, so I'm assuming that's the reason.
Back in the Ignition days, Dragon's Crown outsold pre-orders of Uncharted 3 and Battlefield 3 the first day it popped up on Amazon. So yeah, this will almost certainly outsell Odin Sphere, especially since it's on two platforms + day-one digital.
SolidSnakex
Member
I think Grand Knights History is actually their best selling game in Japan.
Weltall Zero
Member
From what we've seen so far, character choice seems to be entirely irrelevant to the story, which seems to be told mostly via quests. Which makes sense in a multiplayer game, I guess.
Heh, they have to show how much they know but won't tell you. Otherwise how would they look good? (not like it's working).
Whoa, really!? That's quite surprising considering how many people seem not to know about this game now, let alone a year ago.
The only thing I'm worried about too. I've always had trouble getting into games like Golden Axe and such because of this
meltingparappa
Member
Truth be told whenever I glance at the screen it's incredibly hard to tell what's going on.
Four characters plus monsters plus spell effects with numbers everywhere, all overlapping, in a dark environment where both the backgrounds and characters have a limited palate.
It all sounds like a gameplay nightmare, but that's the price you pay for beauty!
Four characters plus monsters plus spell effects with numbers everywhere, all overlapping, in a dark environment where both the backgrounds and characters have a limited palate.
It all sounds like a gameplay nightmare, but that's the price you pay for beauty!
KDash31987
Member
You have a brightly colored arrow-thing above your head and a large circle around you at all times during gameplay, so I don't think it'll be all that hard to tell any of this stuff, besides maybe if your long-range attacks will hit or not. I imagine that anything near your circle is likely to get hit. That plus the arrow-thing should also make it easy to tell where you are at all times, even in extreme chaos. Only long-range stuff should be tricky at first, I think.
It was cheaper then, so people were pre-ordering both versions like hotcakes. And a LOT of people knew about the game, even two years ago. Sony closed out their E3 2011 conference with Dragon's Crown at the end of their Vita sizzle reel. Not even 24 hours later, the internet was flooded with Japanese fan porn.
And more recently, between all the click-bait "sexism" articles at Kotaku and Gamasutra, gorgeous trailers from Atlus, and co-marketing from Sony, Dragon's Crown has been top-of-mind for a huge audience for quite some time now. Easily the summer's biggest release for a lot of folks.
Also, boobs.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
Do we know if the dialogue has a dub or is it still JP?
KDash31987
Member
It has both. You're supposed to be able to select which you want per-character, and I think you can even select between dialogue and battle languages and select whichever you want for those. Like, say...have English dialogue, and Japanese battle voices, or vice-versa.
...but I might be mistaken.
You can also unlock (or download an unlock) alternate narration voices, so you can have, say...have the Sorceress narrate everything.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Honestly as a fighting game player I think Amazon and Archer look like the strongest characters *for solo play, party play is different*
Uhh don't you mean Life and Hometown?
The sad side of these vids, to me, is that I feel many BEU's could go through such a concise, detailed explanation, and prove their depth with a video series like this...
...yet generally, they'll get tossed out with a nonchalant "eh, button masher!" branding, and slammed by reviews.
But I love the depth of the systems we're seeing in the game. Beyond the "+20 hours" talk, and the lush art, that's the part that's really making the game feel deeply developed, to me. Things that would normally be throw-away afterthoughts in other (normally much cheaper) games, are well fleshed out, and developed here.
It didn't bother me much, I just took it as a "It's worth seeing! Unlike most games, where it's just a boring menu."
Felt like any "Top secret info, only shown behind closed doors!" tease, that you'd hear in magazines or on websites...
Beyond the colored arrow and circle around the character, the fact that the melee characters all seem to have a simple all-around attack (that doesn't take life, wow!) seems designed just for this reason.
Effects will flair up, enemies will stagger (keeping you safe), and your attention should be automatically drawn to "what on screen just reacted?!?"
Also, I hope the selectable colors help with this. Generally, this is why old BEU's gave such wild (and rarely used by anything else) colors to their main characters. It made them stand out. Here, plate armor and dark tones are easily lost amongst more plate and darkness...
Attacks LOOK like they have generous attack boxes on them too, but that's almost impossible to tell until you actually play it...
...yet generally, they'll get tossed out with a nonchalant "eh, button masher!" branding, and slammed by reviews.
But I love the depth of the systems we're seeing in the game. Beyond the "+20 hours" talk, and the lush art, that's the part that's really making the game feel deeply developed, to me. Things that would normally be throw-away afterthoughts in other (normally much cheaper) games, are well fleshed out, and developed here.
It didn't bother me much, I just took it as a "It's worth seeing! Unlike most games, where it's just a boring menu."
Felt like any "Top secret info, only shown behind closed doors!" tease, that you'd hear in magazines or on websites...
Beyond the colored arrow and circle around the character, the fact that the melee characters all seem to have a simple all-around attack (that doesn't take life, wow!) seems designed just for this reason.
Effects will flair up, enemies will stagger (keeping you safe), and your attention should be automatically drawn to "what on screen just reacted?!?"
Also, I hope the selectable colors help with this. Generally, this is why old BEU's gave such wild (and rarely used by anything else) colors to their main characters. It made them stand out. Here, plate armor and dark tones are easily lost amongst more plate and darkness...
Attacks LOOK like they have generous attack boxes on them too, but that's almost impossible to tell until you actually play it...
Boogalogist
Member
What the heck is this I hear about "plane management"? Did a whole generation of gamers skipped the side scrolling beat 'em up games?
Yeah, they did...