ThatOneGrunt
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Huh. Starting to look dated actually. First time I've ever thought that about Driveclub.
This game needs a pro patch, the IQ is lacking to say the least. It takes away from the visual presentation which is stellar.
Very jagged IQ overall too, especially the vegetation.
Yeah, I am gonna call BS on this one.
That's certainly more indicative, although they obviously aren't showing the game in a flattering light.
hes right about the vegetation. on my 1440p monitor it doesnt start to look clean until i use 4x trssaa which murders performance in addition to completely breaking any semblance of frame pacing
What?... all untouchable behind the rail at 30fps.
Honestly, if you are going to be a 30fps racer, you need to be open world.
Horizon 3 looks better and is open world.
Driveclub is a dead game from a dead studio. Like the Jedi, it's power is gone from this world. Let it go.
I'll call bullshit on this one. This is likely a problem with your setup and not the game.
hes right about the vegetation. on my 1440p monitor it doesnt start to look clean until i use 4x trssaa which murders performance in addition to completely breaking any semblance of frame pacing
I fail to see how one can say what he says about IQ (regardless of vegetation or not) in relation to the thread topic at hand, FH3 vis-á-vis DC.
Every part of FH3's IQ is better than DCs, the TAA in DC is not exactly known for its coverage at all.
yeah mean good call. its my setup causing more aliasing than yours!!!!
hes right about the vegetation. on my 1440p monitor it doesnt start to look clean until i use 4x trssaa which murders performance in addition to completely breaking any semblance of frame pacing
well forza has no aa at all on vegetation, so in that aspect its worse than DC in terms of IQ. also DCs use of sprites for some vegetation mitigates a lot of aliasing too
hes right about the vegetation. on my 1440p monitor it doesnt start to look clean until i use 4x trssaa which murders performance in addition to completely breaking any semblance of frame pacing
Instead of using TRSSAA (which is kinda surprising to even hear as working for a D3D12 engine) you should just up the res scale.
Doesn't FH3 on console also use FXAA? It is applying PPAA to vegetation then.
Also, the claim that DC's vegetation uses sprites really does not seem to exactly be a great argument, as any mip / and LOD system for vegetation invariably uses imposters and sprites, especially on consoles.
Just looking at this:
You can see lots of single pixel details in between branches which would change every single frame, which is aliasing to the highest degree.
Like the specular response on the foliage itself?not saying DC is great, just better than forza which has the white speckles to a far greater degree despite being at a higher resolution
Instead of using TRSSAA (which is kinda surprising to even hear as working for a D3D12 engine) you should just up the res scale.
Like the specular response on the foliage itself?
Do you have any images of what you mean? I am not having an easy time finding this viual blemish the console screenshots I am finding for FH3, especially vis-a-vis a comparison to DC's foliage.
Like the specular response on the foliage itself?
Do you have any images of what you mean? I am not having an easy time finding this viual blemish the console screenshots I am finding for FH3, especially vis-a-vis a comparison to DC's foliage.
FXAA also has the side-effect of darkening bright pixels...
Yeah, does TrSSAA in driver even work in DX12? That would be pretty surprising!
This is what I'm wondering as well.
All I'm going to say is that I can play Forza Horizon 3 at 4K, with 8xMSAA and 4xTrSSAA and lock the fps to 30 on my PC, and I don't have any frame pacing issues. The image quality is insane, and I can't see any real aliasing anywhere, especially on the foliage. It's fucking sublime... and Driveclub... simply could not even come close.
My PC:
1080Ti OC 190+core 450+mem
6700K @ 4.7Ghz
32GB DDR4 Mem
stop playing at 30 fps and let me know how your frame pacing fares with that high level of trssaa
and Driveclub... simply could not even come close.
My PC:
1080Ti OC 190+core 450+mem
6700K @ 4.7Ghz
32GB DDR4 Mem
That's really it, for me too. Evo really pulled out every trick in the book to provide those sensations. From all the subtle and not so subtle effects, especially in cockpit view, to the design of the tracks, and the ever looming expansive backdrops.I'll just say I haven't had the feeling of the races I got from DriveClub in any other game in a while.. or from watching clips for upcoming games.
From start to finish in a race Driveclub felt like a rollercoster ride. The sense of speed was ridiculous and at times frightening.
Racing games threads always ignite passions, especially when it comes to graphics.
I think that graphically, Driveclub's highs are higher than any other racing game out there. When everything comes together, Driveclub is outright gorgeous. And it doesn't even have to be under weather conditions to look amazing. Dawns/dusks can produce insane lightning conditions. Even midday lightning sometimes.
However, under other lightning conditions (and more prominently in India), the game can also be very plain looking and can make the bad IQ stands out.
Forza Horizon 3, while also having highs and lows (just like any other videogame), is more consistant with its graphics. It generally looks very good, which is a feat considering the Xbox One limitations and the fact that it is an open-world game.
Driveclub and Forza Horizon 3 are my 2 top racing games this generation yet, and not just because of the graphics. I think both are very good racers that satisfy my needs in different ways.
Why should we stop playing at 30FPS when the comparison is being drawn to another 30FPS game?
Lol Driveclub is not perfect in terms of it's visuals but when it all comes together, It is the best looking racing game out there. Every game has it's worst parts. DC at it's best looks better than any other racer at their best. It's a shame it never got patched for the Ps4 Pro.
If you want games that offer you truly dynamic conditions and features like global illumination, you have to accept that there will be some amazing highs and some dreary lows, depending. As far as I know that's always been the case.Yea, I love games that look amazing in one instance and completely average in the next. /s
This was my question as well. lol
He mocks me for saying that maybe perhaps his issues are specific to his PC. He said the foliage was an aliased mess on his PC 1440p and isn't clean until 4xTrSSAA. So he admits the IQ can be fixed. Then, his next point is that it results in him having performance and framepacing issues.
Well, I state that I'm able to run the game at those settings with 30fps and absolutely no framepacing issues... The IQ is indeed impeccable, and then he tells me that I'm not seeing the IQ and Performance issues because... I'm locking the fps to the same as Driveclub.. lmao
This of course is all disregarding the fact that even at a fraction of these settings, the IQ in Forza Horizon 3 destroys Driveclub.
Yea, I love games that look amazing in one instance and completely average in the next. /s
All these racing games have parts that look bad.
For sure. I can admit Forza Horizon 3 has it's flaws and areas to improve. It's why I said before that I think it's the best overall looking racing/driving game...taking everything into account. Like, the open world, the amount of cars and content, the full day/night cycle, and weather effects. Add the IQ and performance of the PC, and you have the best looking, playing, and most fun racing game this generation.
Why should we stop playing at 30FPS when the comparison is being drawn to another 30FPS game?
You don't need to use DSR 4x, just use the game's own res scaling. Something like 150% is already good enough to fix most of foliage aliasing. I don't know how it is now, but prior to the last round of patches FH3 ran way better for me with no MSAA and 200% res scale than with MSAA 4x and 100% res.using the dsr equivalent of 4x trssaa destroys performance even more and im only looking for foliage aa. the msaa works well on everything else already. ive yet to see a game trssaa doesnt work in btw
in all the games (DC, FH3, F7, GTS, PC2 ..) there are pieces of scenery appalling...
GTS
etc...
No fucking shit :lol
Driveclub is using the specs of a $250 base PS4. Your PC is like $1300 minimum. If FH3 didn't look better then there would be a pretty big issue.
You don't need to use DSR 4x, just use the game's own res scaling. Something like 150% is already good enough to fix most of foliage aliasing. I don't know how it is now, but prior to the last round of patches FH3 ran way better for me with no MSAA and 200% res scale than with MSAA 4x and 100% res.
TrSSAA doesn't work in any game which is using alpha to coverage on it's transparent textures. Which is like 90% of modern games which support MSAA.
because having to give up the absolute biggest advantage(by far) pcs offer over consoles just to achieve clean IQ defeats the entire purpose of me gaming on PC in the first place
The question wasn't whether or not PC gaming has a purpose, the question was whether or not foliage aliasing could be eliminated.
i didnt say it couldnt be eliminated
i didnt say it couldnt be eliminated
also people are blowing driveclubs issues way out of proportion using misleading screenshots. due to the way driveclubs aa works, it isnt captured properly in screenshots
http://gamersyde.com/news_we_reviewed_driveclub-15933_en.html
tons of videos here, including the track that that often spread screenshot is from where it looks completely fine in motion. i also made sure none of the videos there have the weather patch which "hides all teh bad grafix"
i didnt say it couldnt be eliminated
also people are blowing driveclubs issues way out of proportion using misleading screenshots. due to the way driveclubs aa works, it isnt captured properly in screenshots
http://gamersyde.com/news_we_reviewed_driveclub-15933_en.html
tons of videos here, including the track that that often spread screenshot is from where it looks completely fine in motion. i also made sure none of the videos there have the weather patch which "hides all teh bad grafix"
from the link you posted: "- Noticeable aliasing"
-_-'
i said people are blowing it out of proportion posting screens like this
not that its nonexistant or not noticeable
that screen is constantly posted and is not representative of the visual experience