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DS Games Appear Better on 3DS After the Update?

Just tested it out after seeing this thread.

Looks pretty much the same to me. Maybe slightly less blurry, but it's been a little while since I booted a DS game on the 3DS.

Any way, it still looks blurry.
 
I just popped in Dragon Quest V and I actually noticed it didn't look washed out or anything like Pokémon Black did. I should pop in Black just to see what's up, though.

Edit: Black looks the same to me. *shrug*
 
I definitely think that the colors aren't as washed out as they used to be. I never play DS games stretched so I don't know if they've made any differences there, but the colors look more vibrant.
 
To me it looks exactly as it did at launch, but the DS mode was so hideous I only used it for about 2 minutes. It really is ghastly compared to a DSi. Grainy, blurry and dim.
 
Ushojax said:
To me it looks exactly as it did at launch, but the DS mode was so hideous I only used it for about 2 minutes. It really is ghastly compared to a DSi. Grainy, blurry and dim.
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Fucking hyperbole. It looks no worse than playing 720p console games on a 1080p tv.
 
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Still looks like shit to me, it's 1:1 or nothing. But I don't blame Nintendo, it's not like you can expect some miracle filter with the difference of resolutions between the DS and the 3DS.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Fucking hyperbole. It looks no worse than playing 720p console games on a 1080p tv.
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Not even close. It's like the difference between playing a Dreamcast using av cables and a vga box.
 
Looks better to me, for sure. I couldn't stand playing DS games on the thing before the update but some games seem much better now. Pokemon Black, for the record, still looks the same.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Fucking hyperbole. It looks no worse than playing 720p console games on a 1080p tv.
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I am now convinced you don't know anything about resolutions or how upscaling works if you think they're the same. What an outrageous claim.
 
I seriously doubt they can do anything about the stretched mode, so don't even bother thinking that they will ever "fix" that.

The washed out colors however seems to have been fixed, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's just a placebo effect since I haven't played a DS game on 3DS or a DSL/DSi in a long time. I don't have my DSL anymore so I can't compare with that.
 
I think the red orb of my Pokédex in Pokémon White is more saturated.. but I'm not sure if that's the update or having a different brightness setting than the last time I booted the game.
 
FlashbladeGAF said:
Just set the 3ds to play ds games in it's native resolution
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That does fix the "blur/fuzziness" but colors were still off before.
If this "fixed" the color issue, then hooray, I'll try it out now and see.

Pimpbaa said:
Fucking hyperbole. It looks no worse than playing 720p console games on a 1080p tv.
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Pimpbaa said:
So it's less of a difference.?
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LOL
 
Hmm... As someone that regularly plays on 3DS, I am pretty sure it's better. Colors are no longer destroyed by the brightest setting.

Not sure on sharpness but it might be worth it to check to see if text is any more readable.
 
Ushojax said:
To me it looks exactly as it did at launch, but the DS mode was so hideous I only used it for about 2 minutes. It really is ghastly compared to a DSi. Grainy, blurry and dim.
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Overexaggeration.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Fucking hyperbole. It looks no worse than playing 720p console games on a 1080p tv.
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Ahahaha. No. If the image quality is acceptable for you, that's cool, but there is a huge difference. It's like the difference between playing your Wii through a composite cable versus a component cable, or playing a SNES on an LCD. I'm sure for some people it's more than good enough, but for me it's a big downgrade. The 3DS screen is just not meant to display games with such a low resolution.
 
Looks a lot better to me. DS games looked washed out and somewhat fuzzy before, now they are bright and sharper. Definitely noticable and I can actually stop using my DSi for my last gen games now :D Thanks for pointing this out!
 
I just tested a couple of more games and I re-affirm that the contrast is indeed corrected and it's possible to use the brightest settings for DS games.

It used to be before that when playing on the brightest setting that lighter colors would fade into becoming white, but I don't notice this now.

I'm betting they did this because they knew that people would be playing DSi games.
 
Oh wow.

I was a HUGE critic of how the games looked on 3DS.

I'm blown away. Still not quite as sharp in "upscaled mode" but not as bad as before. 1:1 mode is still best for that.
But the color saturation has been fixed! Pretty much unnoticeable now.

Have the systems side by side, same game, screen etc.
Good job Nintendo.
 
I took a couple of pictures for comparison. On top is Dragon Quest 4 on DSi and the bottom is DQ4 on 3DS. I think the colors look much closer than they used to.

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I don't know about the differences outside of the stretched image, because I never used my DS (Tank) to play the DS games I played on my 3DS (Pokemon White and Radiant Historia). Both look good for me. Some character icons look ugly in Radiant Historia (in battles when it's the turn of one of my characters), but other than that, it's pretty good. And I'm not playing on 1:1 scale (it's too tiny).

But Nintendo fixed the black screen issues I had with my 3DS it seems. Some times, when I booted my 3DS, the screen would remain black while the console was playing the menu music and I could select items but not see anything before 5 more seconds. The same happened when I returned to home screen from DS games or waiting for the shutdown menu to appear. That issue was totally random though. It seems OK now.

EDIT: Just tried Radiant Historia on my DS Tank. OMG. Since there's no brightness control on the DS Tank, the image looks a lot less colorful than on my 3DS on low brightness settings. And the image doesn't look sharper at all.
No way I'm going back to play on my DS.
 
Ushojax said:
It's like the difference between playing your Wii through a composite cable versus a component cable, or playing a SNES on an LCD.
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You guys are not even consistent with your comparisons. Those 2 are vastly different. I've been playing games on LCD monitors and TVs all at various resolutions that are not at native resolution, and the 3DS is on par with that INCLUDING playing 720p on a 1080p (which is a much greater difference in resolution than the 3DS compared to the DS).
 
Pimpbaa said:
You guys are not even consistent with your comparisons. Those 2 are vastly different. I've been playing games on LCD monitors and TVs all at various resolutions that are not at native resolution, and the 3DS is on par with that INCLUDING playing 720p on a 1080p (which is a much greater difference in resolution than the 3DS compared to the DS).
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I don't know anything about the technical aspects. All I know is that DS games look markedly inferior on the 3DS screen and I'm glad I still have my DSi.
 
Pimpbaa, you should stop digging. There are a host of factors you are not taking into account, including upscaling hardware.
 
PortTwo said:
Pimpbaa, you should stop digging. There are a host of factors you are not taking into account, including upscaling hardware.
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Digging at what? I'm just sick of all the goddamn hyperbole on this forum. And yes I know upscaling can vary greatly depending on the hardware, and I have seen much worse than than the 3DS.
 
Doesn't the DSi screen suffer from some pretty bad ghosting (particularly black to white)? I choose to play DS games on the 3DS simply because it has far better response times on both LCDs.

Anyway, I can't say I've noticed any change since the update, and since I now can't revert my FW, it's pretty much impossible to test.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Digging at what? I'm just sick of all the goddamn hyperbole on this forum. And yes I know upscaling can vary greatly depending on the hardware, and I have seen much worse than than the 3DS.
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Hyperbole like saying it was akin to 720p to 1080p scaling?

It was ugly, mostly because of the color levels, but not a disaster like perhaps some said.
For me it was ugly enough that I didn't play my DS games on the 3DS but that will likely change now.

Cataferal said:
Doesn't the DSi screen suffer from some pretty bad ghosting (particularly black to white)?
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Now that I've never really seen on the DSi screens.
And I know what bad ghosting looks like as I still have my PSP1000.
 
dallow_bg said:
Hyperbole like saying it was akin to 720p to 1080p scaling?
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Wasn't being hyperbolic since that is my experience. I sit rather close to my tv, perhaps much closer than most. Plus I use to play at 1280x800 on my old computer (1680x1050 monitor), and the image degradation was similar.
 
What the 3DS really needs is an option to permanently boot DS games in the original resolution if you choose to, instead of having to do it manually every time. I keep forgetting to do it and then I have to quit and boot back up.
 
Pimpbaa said:
Digging at what? I'm just sick of all the goddamn hyperbole on this forum. And yes I know upscaling can vary greatly depending on the hardware, and I have seen much worse than than the 3DS.
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What he said wasn't hyperbole at all to me. I traded in my DS Lite when I picked up my 3DS with the idea of playing my DS games on it. I seriously couldn't make it more than 20 minutes or so I was so disappointed in how it looked.

Upscaled was a total mess and setting it to native was just too awkward to me with all the dead screen space. I own and love my GB Micro, so it wasn't the size, it was just the appearance. Ultimately I was very, very disappointed in its ability to handle DS games.

Anyhoo, a week later I picked up a DSi XL and couldn't be happier. (I also haven't touched my 3DS much because of it, but oh well)
 
Woah, didn't know the 3DS made DS games play worse.

I guess it's good that I keep my DSi, which is what I always planned to do. But after this, it's a must!

Also, why am I getting the feeling that Nintendo will bring out the next 3DS model and one of its features will fix this issue?
 
TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
Woah, didn't know the 3DS made DS games play worse.

I guess it's good that I keep my DSi, which is what I always planned to do. But after this, it's a must!

Also, why am I getting the feeling that Nintendo will bring out the next 3DS model and one of its features will fix this issue?
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It... doesn't...?
In fact, in many cases, it makes it play better.
 
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