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[Drinky Crow]

the hero in loh1 wants to bang his best friend even when he has some ninja tart ready to spread her fleshflaps for him

 

[LegatoB]

the hero in loh1 wants to bang his best friend even when he has some ninja tart ready to spread her fleshflaps for him

I'm glad to see the JRPG genre embracing alternate lifestyles.

 

[nincompoop]

The problem with your comparison is that you're doing the equivalent of pulling out Samurai Warriors Wave for the Wii and using that to claim technically it's no better than the PS2.

Try comparing equivalent efforts from a developer known for graphical excellence (from a technical POV, anyway), such as SE. Take a look at FF3 vs Crisis Core. See a difference?

Crisis Core is vaporware though. What PSP RPGs do you suggest I compare it to then? Its not like there's that many big name developers working on original RPGs for the PSP. The only one I can think of is that upcoming Tales game, and that looks similarly hideous. Although I suppose that Level 5 game looks pretty nice, I should wait until I see it running on my PSP before I make any judgements.

 

[Matix]

"As much as I love the DS, I really think they should stick as much as possible to awesome 2D, especially since other systems are shying away from that."

Hmm..

DS-2D

V.S.

DS-3D

Yep, agreed.

 

[Vic]

an early version of ToT?

 

[AniHawk]

an early version of ToT?

I think it's something else entirely.

 

[Matix]

Crisis Core is vaporware though. What PSP RPGs do you suggest I compare it to then? Its not like there's that many big name developers working on original RPGs for the PSP. The only one I can think of is that upcoming Tales game, and that looks similarly hideous. Although I suppose that Level 5 game looks pretty nice, I should wait until I see it running on my PSP before I make any judgements.

Nice nick, fits you well...

 

[Matix]

an early version of ToT?

2ch fan-made cocktease...

 

[Vic]

I think it's something else entirely.

2ch fan-made cocktease...

*tears*

 

[Llyranor]

Well, TotT isn't current-gen material, but it looks more than good enough for me. My concern for it would be more the relatively low review score on Famitsu compared to other Tales games. Unless that was mostly affected by the graphics, in which case I'm more than satisfied with how it looks.

 

[Tony HoTT]

also contact sucks

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

 

[GC|Simon]

Take the DS! It's cheaper and there will be a lot of great RPGs! Final Fantasy series, Dragon Quest series, Pokémon series, Tingle RPG, ... You will have so much fun!

 

[Chris Michael]

Huh?

I know it's the cool thing and all, but it's not nice to quote someone and change their text around.

WTF? That's what you really typed- oh, I see what you did there, you sly bastard.

Yeah, I don't have a DS, most people know that. I don't care for most of the library at the moment, but I'll get a DS once the goddamn Zelda game is out, because I'm a whore for real Nintendo Zelda. Otherwise, I have little love left for Nintendo's business practices.

PH isn't "real" Zelda, it's gimmicky touch screen Zelda even though Nintendo could have so OBVIOUSLY made the first fully 3D handheld Zelda the the inventory on the touch screen (in place of the touch generations bullshit). >:-|

 

[Archie]

also contact sucks

Pokemon dungeon > contact

 

[cvxfreak]

My biggest gripe with pokemon games is that 10 years later, everything is still so slow. Text speed and walkspeed options, please!

Those were added back in 2002.

 

[MoxManiac]

WTF? That's what you really typed- oh, I see what you did there, you sly bastard.



PH isn't "real" Zelda, it's gimmicky touch screen Zelda even though Nintendo could have so OBVIOUSLY made the first fully 3D handheld Zelda the the inventory on the touch screen (in place of the touch generations bullshit). >:-|

Yeah, i'm not terribly enthusiastic about the direction the DS Zelda is going..then again, I wasn't terribly thrilled with WW either.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Those were added back in 2002.

I'm pretty sure my copy of Dragon Warrior has text speed options....

 

[Llyranor]

Yeah, i'm not terribly enthusiastic about the direction the DS Zelda is going..then again, I wasn't terribly thrilled with WW either.

I actually think a stylus-controlled Zelda could work. Footage so far seems to look good.

What I would have really liked, though, was d-pad movement, independant of sword/item use. Move around with d-pad, and use context-specific stylus wipes for various moves. Horizontal swings, flurry of piercing blows, jump attacks, etc. That would actually make stylus controls potentially a step up from conventional ones, given that you could control directional attacks independantly of movement, and go with sideways/back attacks all while moving, for example. Not to mention being able to select a good variety of moves, without having to use lock-on of the 3d Zeldas.

 

[trancejeremy]

the hero in loh1 wants to bang his best friend even when he has some ninja tart ready to spread her fleshflaps for him

??? You must have played a different LoH than I did. Much of 2nd half of the game is about the romance between the main character (Avin) and the "ninja tart" (Rutice). And there's a love triangle, because this other girl has a thing for Avin. And Avin's best friend, Mile, is chased around the whole game by another girl (Shannon, who you save early on in the game). And in that case, Mile keeps running away mostly because he has a thing for Avin sister (and apparently in the original PC version, Shannon wasn't as attractive in the PSP version)

 

[djtiesto]

the hero in loh1 wants to bang his best friend even when he has some ninja tart ready to spread her fleshflaps for him

I haven't played the game in a while... got maybe 3/4 of the way through, never went back to it... but I think I remember that the hero wanted to bang his sister, and not his best friend.

 

[Bruises]

DS FTW

 

[fly high ~ayunite~]

How spooky!
NINTENDO DS THE SYSTEM OF CHOICE FOR ROLE-PLAYING GAME FANS

 

[Total Hardcore Gamer]

Crisis Core is vaporware though. What PSP RPGs do you suggest I compare it to then? Its not like there's that many big name developers working on original RPGs for the PSP. The only one I can think of is that upcoming Tales game, and that looks similarly hideous. Although I suppose that Level 5 game looks pretty nice, I should wait until I see it running on my PSP before I make any judgements.

No. Just no.

http://xevon.awardspace.com/pspstuff/psprpgs/PSPrpgs.html

• Summary: Astonishia Story sucks... everything else is good stuff.

 

[Pureauthor]

What the... how old is this?

 

[ethelred]

Oh... dear. :lol

That page is one of the most awesome example of blatant fanboyistic propagandizing I've gotten to see here in a long time. Kudos to the author.

 

[Durante]

If you are into RPGs then get a console, portable RPGing sucks. But we all know that.

Spoiler

Yes I do in fact understand that most of you disagree, no need to correct me.

Still, if you have to, get a PSP. You can play Persona and Suikoden 2 on it, so NDS loses by default. Easily better than any original game on either handheld.

 

[Magicpaint]

If you are into RPGs then get a console, portable RPGing sucks. But we all know that.

Spoiler

Yes I do in fact understand that most of you disagree, no need to correct me.

Still, if you have to, get a PSP. You can play Persona and Suikoden 2 on it, so NDS loses by default. Easily better than any original game on either handheld.

So much wrong in this post it isn't even funny.

 

[Durante]

So much wrong in this post it isn't even funny.

Except for my opinion on portable RPG playing I don't see anything disagreeable. Care to point out what you mean specifically? If there is a DS or PSP RPG that even comes close to Suikoden 2 please tell me, I'd like to play it.

Also, I just realized that PSP is the only portable platform which you can use to play Final Fantasy 1 to 9 and Dragon Quest 1 to 7. That could be an argument for some people, though I don't think it's too important except for FF6. And 7 maybe. For reminiscence.

 

[RevenantKioku]

So much wrong in this post it isn't even funny.

Yes, the ability to stop my RPGing mid game on any of the current handhelds via sleep-mode is such a terrible thing!

 

[FoxSpirit]

Except for my opinion on portable RPG playing I don't see anything disagreeable. Care to point out what you mean specifically? If there is a DS or PSP RPG that even comes close to Suikoden 2 please tell me, I'd like to play it.

Also, I just realized that PSP is the only portable platform which you can use to play Final Fantasy 1 to 9 and Dragon Quest 1 to 7. That could be an argument for some people, though I don't think it's too important except for FF6. And 7 maybe. For reminiscence.

Yeah... if you firmwarehack it. IF you can firmware hack it. Plus if you never had a portable gaming device, the DS serves as an excellent GBA games device.

 

[Zweisy1]

This is the type of story-telling we'll never see on the DS due to technical limitations but the PSP is capable of it:

Long non-interactive cutscenes on a handheld? Can't think of nothing worse... That pretty much goes against everything that makes a good portable game.

Have to admit im very curious of what Bioware is gonna do with the DS though I haven't really enjoyed their games besides Baldurs Gate 2 and MDK2.

 

[Durante]

Yes, the ability to stop my RPGing mid game on any of the current handhelds via sleep-mode is such a terrible thing!

I never said that, and I don't think so. Also, the PSP can do that even for PS1 games. Without that ability, playing RPGs on the go would be simply impossible. This way it's just bad. Now if I also had a save & restore feature for my exact state of mind, and an outside influences filter (well, I'm quite good at that actually) then portable RPGs would really rock!

 

[RevenantKioku]

I never said that, and I don't think so. Also, the PSP can do that even for PS1 games. Without that ability, playing RPGs on the go would be simply impossible. This way it's just bad. Now if I also had a save & restore feature for my exact state of mind, and an outside influences filter (well, I'm quite good at that actually) then portable RPGs would really rock!

*shrug* Sucks to be you.
Most of my RPG playing this past year has been portables, DS mostly a few GBA and one PSP. (Which was a remake!)
While I won't deny the coolness of the PSP's emulator, first it requires hacking, which if someone is against I respect that opinion and I think that should be taken into consideration before going "OMG HUGEST LIBRARY EVEAR." Secondly, it's not perfect and even then, it's not as if new PSX games are being released, I've only got a handful of PSX games I've yet to finish and a few I'd consider replaying while the DS is getting a smorgasboard of new choices.
Going DS for RPGs is not a bad call, even to someone who's played FFV twice this year and would probably replay all FF games in the future.

 

[Total Hardcore Gamer]

I never said that, and I don't think so. Also, the PSP can do that even for PS1 games. Without that ability, playing RPGs on the go would be simply impossible. This way it's just bad. Now if I also had a save & restore feature for my exact state of mind, and an outside influences filter (well, I'm quite good at that actually) then portable RPGs would really rock!

...okay...

I've been playing handheld RPGs pretty much all since there were handheld RPGs and never had to go that deep to get myself back into an RPG after booting it... to each his own, I suppose.

 

[RevenantKioku]

...okay...

I've been playing handheld RPGs pretty much all since there were handheld RPGs and never had to go that deep to get myself back into an RPG after booting it... to each his own, I suppose.

Heh, yeah. I was sold on portable RPGs since Final Fantasy Legend 2.

 

[Durante]

the DS is getting a smorgasboard of new choices

Perhaps then you can answer the question I initially directed at Magicpaint? What are those awesome DS RPGs? People are acting like there is a flood of quality RPGs on the system, but I don't see anything that I would prefer to replaying Persona. I don't want to belittle the system's library, I'm genuinely interested in what I may be missing. I just went to gamerankings and let it list DS RPGs and will investigate the better rated ones ((EDIT: Only the first 3 are above 70 percent! Now this is just gamerankings, but from reading this thread one could reasonably expect a bit more)). But still, any tips? Then again, IIRC you are a huge DQ8 fan, so our tastes may not be very compatible :lol

 

[Total Hardcore Gamer]

Perhaps then you can answer the question I initially directed at Magicpaint? What are those awesome DS RPGs? People are acting like there is a flood of quality RPGs on the system, but I don't see anything that I would prefer to replaying Persona. I don't want to belittle the system's library, I'm genuinely interested in what I may be missing. I just went to gamerankings and let it list DS RPGs and will investigate the better rated ones ((EDIT: Only the first 3 are above 70 percent! Now this is just gamerankings, but from reading this thread one could reasonably expect a bit more)). But still, any tips? Then again, IIRC you are a huge DQ8 fan, so our tastes may not be very compatible :lol

There's FF3, DQ9, DQM:Joker, Luminous Arc... and a shining hope that FFTA2 will be nothing like FFTA.

 

[ethelred]

Perhaps then you can answer the question I initially directed at Magicpaint? What are those awesome DS RPGs? People are acting like there is a flood of quality RPGs on the system, but I don't see anything that I would prefer to replaying Persona. I don't want to belittle the system's library, I'm genuinely interested in what I may be missing. I just went to gamerankings and let it list DS RPGs and will investigate the better rated ones ((EDIT: Only the first 3 are above 70 percent! Now this is just gamerankings, but from reading this thread one could reasonably expect a bit more)). But still, any tips? Then again, IIRC you are a huge DQ8 fan, so our tastes may not be very compatible :lol

The question has been answered. Multiple times. Good RPGs on the system right now include Final Fantasy III, Contact, Dragon Quest Heroes: Rocket Slime, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Pokemon Ranger, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon... and to a slightly lesser extent, Children of Mana, Lost Magic, Magical Starsign. And there's also Portrait of Ruin and Dawn of Sorrow, which plenty of people consider to be action RPGs, but I don't feel like having that debate here. If you want to play Japanese stuff, there's Shiren the Wanderer, Metal Saga, Wizardry, Front Mission, and more.

Good stuff coming? Well, Dragon Quest IX, obviously...

Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, Archaic Sealed Heat, Etrian Odyssey, Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates, Heroes of Mana, Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, Chocobo & the Magic Picture Book, Tingle RPG, Pokemon, Lunar Knights, BioWare's RPG, It's a Wonderful World, Luminous Arc, Spectrobes, Izuna, Mega Man Star Force, Super Robot Wars W, Final Fantasy Tactics A2, Rune Factory...


I also vehemently disagree with the idea that RPGs on portables are inherently bad, but this is a debate we've had before too. RPGs are my favorite genre of gaming, bar none, and I like being able to play them when I'm at work, or when I'm visiting family away from my home, or even when I'm traveling (in the car, in an airplane, whatever). And I can play them when I'm at home, too -- on my bed, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, whatever. I like that flexibility of being able to play anywhere I want, and there's nothing about RPG gameplay that clashes with the idea of such portability.

 

[Magicpaint]

Except for my opinion on portable RPG playing I don't see anything disagreeable. Care to point out what you mean specifically? If there is a DS or PSP RPG that even comes close to Suikoden 2 please tell me, I'd like to play it.

Your idea that a port makes the DS lose out by default is ridiculous at best. The DS has so much promising stuff coming out to shit all over that statement.

Nothing on the DS atm is up to Suikoden II level but then there are the legitimate GBA games to play on them too.

There's FF3, DQ9, DQM:Joker, Luminous Arc... and a shining hope that FFTA2 will be nothing like FFTA.

Etrian Odyssey, Heroes of Mana, FFXII: Revenant Wings, It's a Wonderful World. They all seem promising.

EDIT: See Ethelred's post.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Perhaps then you can answer the question I initially directed at Magicpaint? What are those awesome DS RPGs? People are acting like there is a flood of quality RPGs on the system, but I don't see anything that I would prefer to replaying Persona. I don't want to belittle the system's library, I'm genuinely interested in what I may be missing. I just went to gamerankings and let it list DS RPGs and will investigate the better rated ones ((EDIT: Only the first 3 are above 70 percent! Now this is just gamerankings, but from reading this thread one could reasonably expect a bit more)). But still, any tips? Then again, IIRC you are a huge DQ8 fan, so our tastes may not be very compatible :lol

Even as a MegaTen fan with Persona on my PSP, I gotta admit that Persona is not a good game. ;_;

FF3DS, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, Rocket Slime, Xenosaga I&II (if that's your thing), the Metroidvanias (arguable if RPGs but I'd throw 'em in). Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker, Chocobo and the Magical Picture Book may be an RPG-lite but is still fantastic fun. Tingle too.
While it's not hit up with classic RPGs right now (a lot of ARPGs), it's got a lot on the way (Etrian Odyssey for one). Then when you throw the adventure games on top (such as the coming Hotel Dusk or , I'm blanking.) those are games that are not RPGs per say, flow with the kinds of games I as a mostly RPG player have much fun with.
Plus, it gives you access to the GBA library which rocks.
(Oh, I'm an importer, so I do have a bit more access than most, but even then, a lot of them ARE hitting US shores, when I dunno but hey.)

Heh, I OWN Mario & Luigi and forgot about it. And Children of Mana.

 

[Durante]

My investigation didn't take too long, but from what I'm seeing, the only games that are actually out in english, high quality, and even remotely interesting to me are FF3 and Contact. Now, that's still 1 more than the current english PSP RPG library, but I'd rate the (nearly complete) PS1 and SNES library slightly above that. If that's a Smorgasbord, it's a calory-reduced small diet one.

(later)
I also found "Lost in Blue" vie RPGamer, which gamerankings strangely does not list as an RPG. That makes 3. Also, the upcoming list is certainly interesting, even more so than the PSP one which isn't too bad itself. Once Etrian Odyssey and Luminous Arc come out I'll buy a DS for sure, it's not like it's going to set me back much :lol

(edit)
Thanks for all the answers! Especially for the big list of interesting-looking games ethelred! Looks like the delicious Swedish buffet is yet to come!

 

[Error]

cant wait for DQ9 on ds

FF3 DS was such an awesome experience.

 

[Durante]

True story: Over the course of the past 15 minutes I soaked up information and got myself all excited about Etrian Odyssey, and I just looked up the current price of a DSL around here (150€! not as cheap as I expected. But as a launch PSP buyer I shouldn't falter...). But it's not really that urgent, Etrian's US release date is still listed as "unknown" on RPGamer

 

[MasterMFauli]

DS has some interesting, but ultimately unsatisfying 2d j-ish rpgs.

Uh, lol, what? :lol

 

[PantherLotus]

I would at this point strongly recommend Children of Mana. Excellent game.


*if you like dungeon crawling ARPGs*

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

DS by far.

 

[charlequin]

True story: Over the course of the past 15 minutes I soaked up information and got myself all excited about Etrian Odyssey

It's worth being excited about!

 

[ShinNL]

1 PSP + 1 Monster Hunter Freedom >>>>> DS + any RPG.

At least, that's how it is with my situation..

 

[Total Hardcore Gamer]

Oh... dear. :lol

That page is one of the most awesome example of blatant fanboyistic propagandizing I've gotten to see here in a long time. Kudos to the author.

Having an opinion that doesn't say "Nintendo is God, all else is graphic whore fodder" = Fanboyism?

You'd be right though... it is nothing but graphic whore fodder - there's like no gameplay in any of it's games! PSP's been a total waste of my time... as we already know, about 90% of it's games are ports, UMD media was a failure, it's loaded with design flaws and dead pixels that appear in 3s like every day, not to mention that the controls are so bad that no genre of games work well on it.

That's why the PSP has less than 2.8mil software sales. Hell, even it's best games are all nothing but ports... just ask around, no one uses there PSP for anything but emulation.

I should have listened to all my friends that told me the PSP sucked based on their vast knowledge of 2-3 PSP games. You'd have to be a fanboy to like the PSP, I mean - it's the only feasible option! And wow... to like the games - you'd have to be a super-mega fanboy!

Wow, man... just to show you how right you are, I have erected a follow-up website just to show everyone how much the PSP sucks: The PSP has no games

 

[ethelred]

Having an opinion that doesn't say "Nintendo is God, all else is graphic whore fodder" = Fanboyism?

You'd be right though... it is nothing but graphic whore fodder - there's like no gameplay in any of it's games! PSP's been a total waste of my time... as we already know, about 90% of it's games are ports, UMD media was a failure, it's loaded with design flaws and dead pixels that appear in 3s like every day, not to mention that the controls are so bad that no genre of games work well on it.

That's why the PSP has less than 2.8mil software sales. Hell, even it's best games are all nothing but ports... just ask around, no one uses there PSP for anything but emulation.

I should have listened to all my friends that told me the PSP sucked based on their vast knowledge of 2-3 PSP games. You'd have to be a fanboy to like the PSP, I mean - it's the only feasible option! And wow... to like the games - you'd have to be a super-mega fanboy!

Wow, man... just to show you how right you are, I have erected a follow-up website just to show everyone how much the PSP sucks: The PSP has no games

I never said any of that and I have no idea what you're talking about, but okay.

As to owning 2-3 PSP games, I own the following PSP RPGs:
Astonishia Story
Blade Dancer: Lineage of Light
Breath of Fire III
Dungeon Siege: Throne of Agony
Generation of Chaos
Kingdom of Paradise
Legend of Heroes: A Tear of Vermillion
Legend of Heroes: Prophecy of the Moonlight Witch
Lord of the Rings Tactics
PoPoLoCrois
Sega Genesis Collection
Tales of Eternia
Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse


Call me biased all you want; I don't care. I bought my PSP for some of these games (specifically, I bought it for PoPoLoCrois, Legend of Heroes, and in the future, Generation of Chaos). I expected some really great things out of all of them. My unhappiness with the games only came after I got to play them. Disappointment only compounded with the releases of Legend of Heroes II, Kingdom of Paradise, Spectral Souls (which I've played, even though I don't own it now), and Astonishia.

And I never said one has to be a fanboy to like the PSP; never. I only said that the almost obscene praise that website lavishes on every single game except for Astonishia Story (Legend of Heroes spectacular! Untold Legends virtually flawless! Generation of Chaos brilliant!) is fanboyism to the extreme.

I would say the exact same thing, by the way, if in a pique of pure insanity someone set up a website praising the hell out of Lunar: Dragon Song, Lost in Blue, Lost Magic, Deep Labyrinth, and Tao's Adventure.

I never mentioned anything about graphics, UMDs, software sales, ports, dead pixels, design flaws, but hey, have fun whacking away at that strawman.