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E-Cigarettes May Contain Chemicals
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Spiritwalker
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bro 'cmon let's vape in my van
pls posts like these (and having ahoge nagisa as an avatar) are cancer. this helps people against cancer
ajim
Member
Makes sense. Thats the logical way to think about it.
Im just an addict trying to quit and find ways to keep the habit.
Sigh.
Messofanego
Banned
lmao
StylesClash
Member
Shocking...not really
Latvian Hitman
Member
Yep. This has been a topic of discussion within the online vaping community for a while now, and most of the high profile online juice vendors have been diacetyl-free for years. I'd be curious to know how the tiny sample size in the study was selected and how many of the entrants were gas station ecigs being sold by big tobacco.
outunderthestars
Banned
I went from smoker to vaper in like september, maybe even august. But quit it all a month ago. Hopefully no harm done... Although Velvet Cloud specifically say
although, unregulated is unregulated, so who knows really.
This right here. Congrats on quitting btw!
This right here. Congrats on quitting btw!
Thanks. And yeah, when there is a lot of money to be made and no regulation, no ones to be trusted. Because, money.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Some one didn't read the OP.
DurielBlack
Member
No surprise here. I thought the original point was for a less-addictive/harmful substance to help people drop the habit entirely.
Also not surprised when it became a new cultural phenomenon and people into it claim it has 0 negative effects, despite there being little-to-no research one way or another.
Also not surprised when it became a new cultural phenomenon and people into it claim it has 0 negative effects, despite there being little-to-no research one way or another.
IdreamofHIME
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There was a commercial during the champions league last that compared vaping to bionic limbs for disabled people, I nearly spat out my coffee.
Hopefully this stops shit like that.
Hopefully this stops shit like that.
nothing is just as dangerous if you inhale passively
internetwolf
Banned
What can we really expect of a product used to replace cigarettes?
Latvian Hitman
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Interesting that this study neglects to point out that diacetyl and acetyl propionyl are present at much higher levels in normal cigarette smoke. The implication is that there's some new risk being introduced by ecigs with regard to these specific compounds that isn't there with traditional smoking, when nothing could be further from the truth.
I see a lot of drive-by "gotcha" posts in this thread from people who seem to be pleased by the release of this report, probably because they're annoyed by douchebags who vape in their face and claim that there are zero risks. Douchebaggery aside- of course there are likely to be risks. There hasn't been nearly enough time to conduct studies on the long-term effects of vaping. With that said, there is no plausible reason yet to be put forth by anyone or any study that would give reason to believe that vaping isn't a considerably safer avenue than smoking cigarettes, this study included.
I see a lot of drive-by "gotcha" posts in this thread from people who seem to be pleased by the release of this report, probably because they're annoyed by douchebags who vape in their face and claim that there are zero risks. Douchebaggery aside- of course there are likely to be risks. There hasn't been nearly enough time to conduct studies on the long-term effects of vaping. With that said, there is no plausible reason yet to be put forth by anyone or any study that would give reason to believe that vaping isn't a considerably safer avenue than smoking cigarettes, this study included.
IdreamofHIME
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That's cool. Using vaping to stop smoking or lower your health risk is fine as fuck, but as you said the douchebaggery that seems to follow vapers is out of control. Vaping in public places just shouldn't be allowed, i'm not a smoker. I dont want that shit in my lungs.
Vaping in public should be as cool as giving nicotine gum to little kids in gumball machines, you just wouldn't do it.
Your Entertainer
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Vaping is the dumbest thing ever man
HoodWinked
Member
i dont smoke and never have but if its only certain flavorings if you can somehow avoid these you're still alot better off smoking these than actual cigarettes.
considering how crazy and particular people are i can see manufacturers labeling diacetyl free and people being savvy of this sort of thing.
considering how crazy and particular people are i can see manufacturers labeling diacetyl free and people being savvy of this sort of thing.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
does this interfere with my butter flavoring at the movie theatre? Cause i need my non butter flavored substitute on my movie popcorn...
sounds nasty though maybe list the flavorings that are safe since not all had the harmful chemical.
sounds nasty though maybe list the flavorings that are safe since not all had the harmful chemical.
TemplaerDude
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Vaping is fine, vape culture is the fucking worst. Almost as bad as vegans.
Milksheikhs
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Does this affect people who are breathing it in second hand? My mom is coming for Christmas and we will have a newborn around. Should I tell her not to vape around the kid? She insists that e-cigs are way better than cigarettes, but haven't really done the research so not sure.
manzoman96
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Tired of hearing "vaping isn't bad for you"
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
depends on the juice you get , some liquids have zero nicotene, and yet maybe those still have this harmful flavouring inside various versions of the juice. That said there are so many flavors out there its not saying much testing 80 the market has exploded, a quick google search will show.
InaudibleWhispa
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There's a lot that's missing in the article, such as cigarettes contain much more diacetyl and cigarettes aren't a cause of popcorn lung.
It's real easy to find scary sounding articles about ecigs. It's hard to find one that is willing to provide any evidence, other than providing numbers without context that lead to objectively false conclusions. To say ecigs are totally safe is premature, but to demonize them with fearmongering articles like this when they are significantly safer than cigarettes to the very best of our knowledge is stupid and dangerous. Absolutely call out the existence of diacetyl in certain flavours and make people aware, but do so in a responsible manner.
Sniffynose
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It's common sense really, inhaling anything that isn't clean air is a bad idea. On the other hand if it is far less dangerous it should be preferred vs cigarettes, and would save many lives and hopefully help people quit safely.
But of course it turns into a cool trend and every moron decides they need to do this now thinking it's safe cus reasons.
Like most things they have a purpose but it will be abused and turn into yet another health problem.
Look at pot, it has legit uses, but instead it's being called the cure for everything from cancer to anal warts so morons will literally bake their brains to the point of psychosis because they gotta get that fix and be cool and you know use it to cure their chronic bronchitis /facepalm
Substance abuse is bad no matter what the substance.
But of course it turns into a cool trend and every moron decides they need to do this now thinking it's safe cus reasons.
Like most things they have a purpose but it will be abused and turn into yet another health problem.
Look at pot, it has legit uses, but instead it's being called the cure for everything from cancer to anal warts so morons will literally bake their brains to the point of psychosis because they gotta get that fix and be cool and you know use it to cure their chronic bronchitis /facepalm
Substance abuse is bad no matter what the substance.
This is what annoys me about most vapers. There's CLEARLY not enough evidence around one way or another as it pertains to one's health and those around them, yet most vapers will not ask if people mind and just start blowing clouds.
I absolutely wouldn't want anyone vaping near my newborn. No way in hell.
"Yo, want to try this new Skittles vape?"
"Hey I just got this fruit loop vape that is to die for."
"Want to share this marshmallow vape?"
Vape culture was getting so bad that people I knew were slowly making that the only defining feature of their life.
Even today, the amount of start-ups and close-down of vape shops are astronomical.
"Hey I just got this fruit loop vape that is to die for."
"Want to share this marshmallow vape?"
Vape culture was getting so bad that people I knew were slowly making that the only defining feature of their life.
Even today, the amount of start-ups and close-down of vape shops are astronomical.
M0nochromatic
Member
Many of my family members used vaping as a means to quit smoking. This fucking sucks.
Replacing one addiction with another less harmful addiction isn't really "quitting" anything...
Vape culture seems to tie in with fedoras, bitcoins, and MRAs.
SturokBGD
Member
Glad I stopped smoking the old fashioned way before all this vape nonsense. Here's a suggestion, want to quit? Put out the fucking cigarette.
I would not let people vape around my kids and my kids range from 15 months to 16 years old.
The study is kind of frustrating. They tell us how much diacetyl they found (just from eyeballing the chart, mostly 5-10 μg per e-cig, with "Peach Schnapps" flavor being a huge outlier), and what the exposure limits are for workplaces (.005 ppm for an 8-hour shift, if I'm reading the chart correctly), but they don't bother converting between the two to give us some idea of what their numbers actually mean. Since they spend a paragraph or two arguing that standards should be stricter for public recreational use than for occupational exposure, I assume the exposure from e-cigs is below the exposure limits for workplaces. But it'd be nice if they'd let us know. As is it feels like they're burying it.
Should have cut him off.
PrivateWHudson
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I agree. Fuck it, I should just go back to smoking. Thanks!!
Or quit. Obviously it's not as easy as it sounds but it seems like some people use e-cigs as an excuse to not try quitting altogether.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I, for one, am shocked that an unregulated industry could turn out to be fucking over its consumers.
Shocked, I tell you.
Shocked, I tell you.
Beer Monkey
Member
Or some people (like me) spend 20 years doing patches, gum, and cold turkey over and over again and finally find the one thing that works for them, but hey, maybe I'm just some lazy asshole.
Bearjewpiter
Neo Member
I mean, it's still smoke inhalation so it can't exactly be great for you. But that sure as hell doesn't mean I'll stop
Your Entertainer
Member
Is that really quitting? It's a lower dose, isn't it?
Lots of really stupid drive by posts in this thread. I'm glad some posters are re butting the nonsense, but I doubt the ignorant will bother to read the responses.
Facts: cigarette smoking is extremely harmful. Only a small % of smokers will be able to quit for good. If smokers can successfully substitute their deadly addiction for something far less dangerous, they will be much better off and the public healthcare burden will be much lower. Ecig contain far less dangerous compounds than traditional cigarettes. We know that NNKS are one of the primary carcinogens in cigs, ecig don't produce NNKs. As mentioned, diacetyl doesn't cause popcorn lung in smokers, despite cigs containing much more diacetyl than ecigs. Yet it is assumed that ecigs will cause popcorn lung. On top of that, many ejuice producers have removed diacetyl from their products. You cannot get a cigarette that doesn't contain diacetyl.
I wish the stupid fear mongering would stop.
And no, nicotine itself isn't deadly. Animal studies and Swedish snus studies have been conclusive about this.
Facts: cigarette smoking is extremely harmful. Only a small % of smokers will be able to quit for good. If smokers can successfully substitute their deadly addiction for something far less dangerous, they will be much better off and the public healthcare burden will be much lower. Ecig contain far less dangerous compounds than traditional cigarettes. We know that NNKS are one of the primary carcinogens in cigs, ecig don't produce NNKs. As mentioned, diacetyl doesn't cause popcorn lung in smokers, despite cigs containing much more diacetyl than ecigs. Yet it is assumed that ecigs will cause popcorn lung. On top of that, many ejuice producers have removed diacetyl from their products. You cannot get a cigarette that doesn't contain diacetyl.
I wish the stupid fear mongering would stop.
And no, nicotine itself isn't deadly. Animal studies and Swedish snus studies have been conclusive about this.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Not just that, they detected levels similar to those observed in the e-cigs in one of 7 blanks (ie no e-cig present) and just went with it and did a background subtract rather than trying to figure out where it came from and repeating the analysis.
hiphoptherobot
Member
But it is a step in the right direction. I'm not sure why people are so quick to try and discredit it. I wouldn't have been able to kick smoking without the help of vaping. ( I still hate vape culture though...)
SturokBGD
Member
I spent 20 years doing the same thing. You want to know the thing that finally worked? I stopped making excuses for myself. No offence intended. That's how it happened.
BlackGoku03
Member
I order my liquid from Mister E Liquid and they do external lab tests of their liquid.
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