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[hohoXD123]

Or some people (like me) spend 20 years doing patches, gum, and cold turkey over and over again and finally find the one thing that works for them, but hey, maybe I'm just some lazy asshole.

If you took my post to mean that all of those who are using e-cigs are lazy assholes then you misinterpreted it.

Lots of really stupid drive by posts in this thread. I'm glad some posters are re butting the nonsense, but I doubt the ignorant will bother to read the responses.

Facts: cigarette smoking is extremely harmful. Only a small % of smokers will be able to quit for good. If smokers can successfully substitute their deadly addiction for something far less dangerous, they will be much better off and the public healthcare burden will be much lower. Ecig contain far less dangerous compounds than traditional cigarettes. We know that NNKS are one of the primary carcinogens in cigs, ecig don't produce NNKs. As mentioned, diacetyl doesn't cause popcorn lung in smokers, despite cigs containing much more diacetyl than ecigs. Yet it is assumed that ecigs will cause popcorn lung. On top of that, many ejuice producers have removed diacetyl from their products. You cannot get a cigarette that doesn't contain diacetyl.

I wish the stupid fear mongering would stop.

And no, nicotine itself isn't deadly. Animal studies and Swedish snus studies have been conclusive about this.

It's stupid fear mongering to say that this is an area with relatively little published research into its long-term implications and so we shouldn't be so keen to recommend them to everyone? I'd be interested to see a worthwhile study which has followed ecig smokers over 10+ years to assess the incidence of diseases.

Edit:

I spent 20 years doing the same thing. You want to know the thing that finally worked? I stopped making excuses for myself. No offence intended. That's how it happened.

I don't deny that quitting smoking is a very difficult thing to do for some people, but being told that there is a safe alternative which can control the addiction is an excellent excuse to stop trying to quit and stay on this alternative for life.

 

[AnAnole]

I spent 20 years doing the same thing. You want to know the thing that finally worked? I stopped making excuses for myself. No offence intended. That's how it happened.

Good for you. Not everyone is the same. People have different genetics and different life circumstances than others. Statistics tell us that a large % of nicotine users simply won't be able to quit with the available treatments. Perhaps that will change in the future, but if they can switch to a method of nicotine delivery that almost entirely eliminates the morbidity and mortality risks of traditional cigs, that is a major win.

 

[SmarmySmurf]

"E-Cigarettes as healthy as popcorn!"

 

[SturokBGD]

Good for you. Not everyone is the same. People have different genetics and different life circumstances than others. Statistics tell us that a large % of nicotine users simply won't be able to quit with the available treatments. Perhaps that will change in the future, but if they can switch to a method of nicotine delivery that almost entirely eliminates the morbidity and mortality risks of traditional cigs, that is a major win.

The first sentence is exactly the kind of excuses I used to make for myself, but I will concede to the bolded, you're right.

 

[M0nochromatic]

Replacing one addiction with another less harmful addiction isn't really "quitting" anything...

They used it to ween themselves off of smoking and use it whenever they get the urge to smoke again.

What's the problem? They've made positive impacts in their lives by taking that course. You act as though if snoking's not dropped soley through willpower there's some issue.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

The quantities of diacetyl discovered in e-cigarettes have been, on average, 100 times lower than those found in traditional tobacco smoke. Another similar chemical, acetyl propionyl, has been discovered at levels 10 times lower than traditional cigarettes. Although smoking kills hundreds of thousands of people each year, traditional cigarettes HAVE NEVER been associated with popcorn lung.

 

[Black-Wind]

I thought we, ask humans, understood that sucking up "anything Cig" was bad for your lungs.

I have no clue why there's so much nasty shit in cigs but it's there and you should have the common sense to avoid it (provided you're not older and came from the generation that didn't understand this. Those folks seem to have a massive uphill battle with kicking this shit ... might be because of all the nasty shit in them).

 

[-KRS-]

Yeah this is just fearmongering from the tobacco companies to ensure that people keep smoking their cigarettes. That's not to say that ecigs are harmless, but compared to cigarettes they are. Vaping has been around for some time now, and to my knowledge there still hasn't been any reports of people with any health issues caused by ecigs. Of course, the long (looong) term health effects aren't known yet, but people have been vaping for years now without any issues as far as I'm aware. A lot more objective research is still needed though.

That said, vaping culture is fucking stupid. And people who vape indoors in public places. I've seen people smoke that shit inside restaurants and conventions etc. "Oh it's harmless it's just like water vapor". Have some fucking respect for other people, damn. That shit smells. And I say that as someone who's a heavy vaper who builds my own coils.

 

[BlackGoku03]

The quantities of diacetyl discovered in e-cigarettes have been, on average, 100 times lower than those found in traditional tobacco smoke. Another similar chemical, acetyl propionyl, has been discovered at levels 10 times lower than traditional cigarettes. Although smoking kills hundreds of thousands of people each year, traditional cigarettes HAVE NEVER been associated with popcorn lung.

Yeah but people will still hate on it for some reason.

Again, for the new page, my main go to shop for liquid is Mister E Liquid. They have a class 6 cleanroom and lab test their liquids.

A look into their cleanroom: https://youtu.be/OKZF1QKfNjo

No artificial colorings or other non-sense.

I always tell people who are thinking about it that if you're going to put something in your body, be sure to read up on it. I've helped a lot of people quit regular cigarettes, even an old white grandma in her 60s who smoked for over 40 years.

 

[Izayoi]

I would much rather the ex-smokers I know be vaping than going back to smoking.

Of course it's harmful, to some extent - exposing something to high temperatures and subsequently inhaling it is obviously not going to be good for you under any circumstance, regardless of the substance.

Used as a smoking-cessation aide, or a cigarette replacement, I do not think that it should be lambasted as something that does more harm than good.

 

[lifa-cobex]

Vaping is the dumbest thing ever man

Vaping is the best thing I ever did to quite smoking.

Many of my family members used vaping as a means to quit smoking. This fucking sucks.

Use it to quit. Work down the nicotine levels until you no longer feel the need.
I've been vaping for the past few months and I'm on the lowest nicotine levels.
I'm gonna pack up completely over Christmas.
I was a heavy smoker and nothing really helped me until vaping.

Vape culture seems to tie in with fedoras, bitcoins, and MRAs.

......k

 

[perfectchaos007]

Vape culture has destroyed the hooka industry. Hooka bars are now turning into vape bars and its not the same

 

[AnAnole]

Vape culture has destroyed the hooka industry. Hooka bars are now turning into vape bars and its not the same

That's a good thing, hookah is even worse than cigarettes.

 

[Femmeworth]

Now I have reason to hate the assholes vaping on campus even more. There's this one guy in particular that has smoked in the labs and elevator.

 

[perfectchaos007]

That's a good thing, hookah is even worse than cigarettes.

really? I thought hookah had little to no nicotine

 

[BokehKing]

I don't buy brands that use that ingredient, hell a lot of brands advertise they don't use that ingredient so I'll just keep on vaping.

People that vape don't wait around for answers, we knew about this over 6 months ago

 

[213372bu]

Vape culture has destroyed the hooka industry. Hooka bars are now turning into vape bars and its not the same

Depends where u live m8.

As long as you have a town with semi-hipsters or hipsters you are guarenteed to have at least 5.

 

[univariate]

I'm glad I only vape pure cannabis oil, then.

 

[way more]

I just drink water.

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yeah but people will still hate on it for some reason.

Again, for the new page, my main go to shop for liquid is Mister E Liquid. They have a class 6 cleanroom and lab test their liquids.
.

What juice would you recommend from here? I was using alien visions for the longest but they stopped making the juice I've been using for a long time. I've been hitting up this local brick and mortar last few weeks but I don't really trust their juice tbh.

 

[davepoobond]

really? I thought hookah had little to no nicotine

nicotine is hardly the worst part about smoking.

 

[Izayoi]

really? I thought hookah had little to no nicotine

Hookah has plenty of nicotine.

Typically, when you smoke using a hookah, you are smoking for far longer periods of time than you are when smoking a cigarette.

On top of the tar and other cancerous components of tobacco that are present in cigarettes, you are using charcoal which is often doused in lighter fluid (so-called self-starting coals).

 

[BlackGoku03]

What juice would you recommend from here? I was using alien visions for the longest but they stopped making the juice I've been using for a long time. I've been hitting up this local brick and mortar last few weeks but I don't really trust their juice tbh.

I like Grey Matter and my current favorite is Icarus which has hints of coconut and papaya with a slight tobacco taste. It's sweet without being too sweet. I vape on it all day. Really just depends on what you like. The only thing I don't like about Mister E Liquid is the fact I can't taste what they have. They do sell sample packs for 5 or 6 bucks though.

 

[Gonzalez]

Honestly I was totally for vape culture, until I noticed all the douchebags that vaped, and the inapporiate places they liked to vape. Whether it be in the bathroom, the park, at a ballgame, inside a bus, in a movie theatre, etc...
Fuck vape culture. They did it to themselves.

 

[Izayoi]

Honestly I was totally for vape culture, until I noticed all the douchebags that vaped, and the inapporiate places they liked to vape. Whether it be in the bathroom, the park, at a ballgame, inside a bus, in a movie theatre, etc...
Fuck vape culture. They did it to themselves.

Painting everyone with the same brush is never a good way to go about things.

I know plenty of sensible people who vape.

 

[jstripes]

......k

Do you make a big deal about vaping? Do you proudly make sure everyone knows you vape? Is it a major part of your identity?

If not, "vape culture" doesn't apply to you, and you can ignore what I said.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

Checked the brands that my girlfriend uses and they're all safe, that's something I guess.

Vape culture seems to tie in with fedoras, bitcoins, and MRAs.

Do you interact with people outside of the internet? I know a lot of people who use vapour, probably more than who smoke (they pretty much all used to) and I haven't known anyone to be even slightly pretentious about it.

Maybe it's an American thing.

 

[BlackGoku03]

Checked the brands that my girlfriend uses and they're all safe, that's something I guess.


Do you interact with people outside of the internet? I know a lot of people who use vapour, probably more than who smoke (they pretty much all used to) and I haven't known anyone to be even slightly pretentious about it.

Well the Ecig community has known about it for some time now. It's nothing new. That's why most brands are either moving away from using it or don't use it period. But of course this is a lot of people's opportunity to say "I knew it! Enjoy cancer lazy people who can't just quit cold turkey!"

 

[Gonzalez]

Painting everyone with the same brush is never a good way to go about things.

I know plenty of sensible people who vape.

Well why don't vape culture leaders come out, and apologize for these types who also represent their culture?

 

[poppabk]

I don't deny that quitting smoking is a very difficult thing to do for some people, but being told that there is a safe alternative which can control the addiction is an excellent excuse to stop trying to quit and stay on this alternative for life.

What if it was safe, or as safe as can be reasonably be expected.

 

[Izayoi]

Well why don't vape culture leaders come out, and apologize for these types who also represent their culture?

I'm not involved in the culture myself, so I can't really speak toward these so-called "leaders," but in my experience ANYONE who vapes is associated with "vape culture." It's the same as any other stereotype, and it's almost always a negative association.

I don't want to sound preachy, but don't you have better things to do than make broad generalizations about people because they participate in a particular activity?

 

[M0nochromatic]

Vaping is the best thing I ever did to quite smoking.



Use it to quit. Work down the nicotine levels until you no longer feel the need.
I've been vaping for the past few months and I'm on the lowest nicotine levels.
I'm gonna pack up completely over Christmas.
I was a heavy smoker and nothing really helped me until vaping.



......k

Good job and good on following through! I try to mostly be positive when I'm discussing it with them, but they still utilize it on occasion, which I'm happy at least when compared to the amount they smoked before.

 

[ColdPizza]

Use it to quit. Work down the nicotine levels until you no longer feel the need.
I've been vaping for the past few months and I'm on the lowest nicotine levels.
I'm gonna pack up completely over Christmas.
I was a heavy smoker and nothing really helped me until vaping.

This right here makes complete sense to me. Lower the nic levels to eventually quit. But every vaper I personally know won't do this, either because they WANT the nicotine or they enjoy the culture.

 

[BlastProcessing]

Don't worry guys, this time it's totally safe. We swear.

 

[way more]

Don't worry guys, this time it's totally safe. We swear.

Do you always read ads instead of scientific studies?

 

[poppabk]

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Don't worry guys, this time it's totally safe. We swear.

Except this time everyone is assuming it's harmful and looking for a reason to confirm this. I mean this study detected carcinogenic compounds in 46% of blank air samples and people are jumping all over it as proof of ecigs being evil and dangerous.

 

[NullPointer]

So... use the choices without those chemicals.

I don't get the griping about vaping - or would people prefer old school cigarettes instead?

Didn't think so.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Anecdotally, my nicotine level in my ejuice is down to 1.5mg/ml (started out at 18mg/ml), and I've been been using diketone-free liquids for six months (the diketone thing is OLD news, people). I'm going to 0mg/ml juice in January and will probably quit though, who knows, the habit may last a while after the addiction. Before "vaping" I smoked a pack of American Spirit yellows per day. I do not own fedoras nor do I have a neckbeard or stretched ears, and I've never "cloud chased" or used my devices in a restaurant or shop.

 

[Nudull]

I've never encountered vapers, and I'm glad I haven't. Already have to deal with wading through so much second-hand smoke from the cigarette smokers in my family.

 

[zeioIIDX]

Yeah but people will still hate on it for some reason.

Again, for the new page, my main go to shop for liquid is Mister E Liquid. They have a class 6 cleanroom and lab test their liquids.



A look into their cleanroom: https://youtu.be/OKZF1QKfNjo

No artificial colorings or other non-sense.

I always tell people who are thinking about it that if you're going to put something in your body, be sure to read up on it. I've helped a lot of people quit regular cigarettes, even an old white grandma in her 60s who smoked for over 40 years.

That's my favorite vendor as well Dat Green Van flavor....mmmm.

 

[RiccochetJ]

Vaping is the dumbest thing ever man

You convinced me. I'll go back to smoking cigarettes.

 

[way more]

I've never encountered vapers, and I'm glad I haven't. Already have to deal with wading through so much second-hand smoke from the cigarette smokers in my family.

But would you rather wade through a aerosolized nicotine and flavorings vapor or hot smoke and ash? I know my choice if we are on a spectrum of preference.


I think this is a generational thing. For older people vapes seem like methadone. A safer alternative to a dangerous and debilitating habit. For younger people who grew up with vaping being established I bet friends who go from not-smoking to vaping would seem idiotic and the entire practice would seem foolish. If a person took up a methadone habit out of the blue I couldn't think of a dumber person.

 

[Rizific]

if anyone actually wants to read the study and the results of the testing (since it wasnt provided in the article) it can be found here. measured results start on page 25.
description of what numbers they used to qualify "detection"

We calculated a limit of quantification (LOQ) for our procedure that was higher than the laboratory reported limit of detection (LOD; 0.05 ug/sample) using three times the standard deviation of the field blank samples.After blank correction, primary samples were compared to this LOQ by Batch 1 and Batch 2 (Diacetyl: 2.3 ug, 0.19 ug; 2,3-pentanedione: 0.07 ug, 0.38 ug; acetoin: 1.08 ug, 3.2 ug).If the blank-corrected mass was above the LOQ, the chemical was labeled as ‘detected’ and the value reported, and if the blank-corrected mass was not above the LOQ but still detected, we nreported the value as “<LOQ”. If the sample was reported as not-detected by the lab, we report the value as “<LOD”.

before i spoon feed the results to you, here is a toxicology report on some of the bad shit that is in cigarettes smoke. ignoring all the other chemicals, the amount of Diacetyl found in samples across 20 brands of traditional cigarettes range from 301 to 433 ug/cigarette. thats PER CIGARETTE.

results for diacetyl in 59 (article says 51, i counted 59) ecig flavors per sample.
16/59 <LOD (not detected)
5/59 <LOQ
6/59 <1.0 ug/sample
23/59 <10 ug/sample
9/59 >10 ug/sample including one flavor reading at 238. next highest reading was 38.

per the study, each sample=one cartridge or cartomizer and was ran until exhausted. ive never used cartomizers, but i know for sure that they last longer than one cigarette. so if cigarette smokers are exposed to so much more diacetyl, why isnt the popcorn lung scare blanket being thrown on them?

 

[BlastProcessing]

You convinced me. I'll go back to smoking cigarettes.

It's a shame that those are the only two options.

 

[jstripes]

Do you interact with people outside of the internet? I know a lot of people who use vapour, probably more than who smoke (they pretty much all used to) and I haven't known anyone to be even slightly pretentious about it.

Maybe it's an American thing.

"Vape Culture" is similar to "Weed Culture".

95% of the people who smoke it simply smoke it, the other 5% are insufferable assholes who spin it into a lifestyle and identity.

But vape culture seems to be more obnoxious, because of the condescending fedora crowd.

So anyway, unless vaping is a major part of you or your friends' identities, it doesn't apply to you, so there's no need to be offended.

 

[BobLoblaw]

Good luck e-cig bros. I guess the fact that cigarette companies were behind e-cigs wasn't a big enough clue for you.

 

[Weston]

The new FDA regulations are going to require manufacturers to get every product they sell tested. So the substances that are known to be harmful will be removed . From what I've heard, these regulations will also price everyone but big tobacco out of the market though.

 

[poppabk]

Good luck e-cig bros. I guess the fact that cigarette companies were behind e-cigs wasn't a big enough clue for you.

What is the other clue? Certainly not this paper, which pretty much demonstrates that their is negligible risk from the known contentious flavorings in ecigs.

 

[BrahReally]

I was a heavy smoker until I started using e-cigs, and now after about five months I'm completely down to 0 mg nic and I just do it for the sensation and the social aspect of smoking that I'd miss too much if I didn't partake in it (I know, shoddy excuse it seems... I'm working on it!).


I know this subject is a, "your results may vary" type of shindig; but from my own personal experience, the switch has been nothing but great for me. I went from feeling bogged down and out of breath to being able to consistently run 5+ miles each and every day now. I never feel as if I need to vape, where as when I was smoking cigarettes I needed that nicotine fix right away regardless of what I was doing. Much like everyone else as of right now, I'm not sure if there will be studies that establish long-term side effects of vaping. But what I do know is that I intend to stop completely before I have to worry any more about that.


I do have to agree though that some of the vaping community is weird as heck though. You do have the people that try to pass it off as just, "water vapor" and those who don't think straight that use their e-cigs indoors and in non-smoking areas. But being an adult that's responsible for my own actions, I treat it personally as the exact same thing as smoking cigarettes; meaning that I always ask those around me if it is okay for me to smoke around them, and I never try to impress anyone with my, "sick cloudz". It just angers me a little bit to see those in this topic that think it's a fad/something to be associated with degenerates when it's significantly helping those as myself.


I respect and admire your choice to stay away from smoking all together, so please respect the fact that I am trying to quit a nasty habit that I shouldn't have picked up in the first place.

 

[ramuh]

Key word here being "may".