Actually, it has, and it will. Mainly due to the fact that people will always need a computer in some form or another, whether it be word processing, film editing, record keeping. It will be the last electronic platform to have a gaming death, if such a thing were to occur.mckmas8808 said:Yeah okay.
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Fragamemnon
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AstroLad said:
What a load of horse shit.
RTS and FPS on the PC aren't stagnant-if anything, both genres continue to evolve at a rapid clip and are continuing along a path of sharp diversification (that they started down in 2002-2003ish) that is opening up all sorts of interesting, sophisticated, and innovative mechanics.
The innovation and evolution of these genres will continue to happen primarly targeted for the PC (with some console portage subsidizing it-you guys can be such useful tools!) audience, where the sophisticated core fanbase can and will pass judgement on themthem, and the most successful of these mechanics from this experimentation will wind up in mainstream console games.
These are all things you would know if you weren't completely ignorant of PC gaming.
Phife Dawg
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:lol you're living in some kind of alternate realityAdrianWerner said:you're living in the pastBy Quake3 they showed they can't compete in SP, with D3 they showed they don't even bother trying with MP
. Q3 was always meant to be a MP only affair and with Doom they wanted SP first.Seems they can only do wrong.
If evolution means worse control options and watered down gameplay I'm all for stagnation, thank you.AstroLad said:
Fragamemnon
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Kabouter said:
The thing is that most major genre changes happen over the span of just enough time that they don't quite feel as huge as they really are. Sure, there are games like Half Life that hit genres like a lightning bolt, but those are indeed quite rare, and the resulting time it takes for the rest of the industry to scramble to compensate is just about as long as it takes for the usual evolution to occur.
BTW, just for you man:
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/3343.html
Three new Settlers VI vids. Nice and long too-the climate stuff looks fantastic.
Haunted
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I like this quote. I didn't like Quake IV because it looked so great, but because it looked really good while running flawlessly on my not-so-current PC. (same with Valve/Blizzard games) And if there's one valid complaint, it was about the repetitive gameplay in Doom 3/Quake IV. This is good news as far as I'm concerned.
Well, it's Chris Michael. I can imagine a number of reasons to punch him in the nuts.Segata Sanshiro said:
PistolGrip
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Well PC sales are slowing down. Upgrading is becoming a complete luxury nowadays.
PC = dead unless Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 save it.
PC = dead unless Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 save it.
Fragamemnon
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AstroLad said:
PC sales are tracked separately than console sales, and have their own charts.
Not the PC is dead argument again. and/or too expensive to maintain.
As for as this console/PC talk, ironically, the PS3 is basically a PC in console form if you think about it. Everything is open standard on the platform, free online, open online. You can hook up keyboard and mouse for FPS games, the first taste of their online setup is brought forth in Unreal Tournament 3 where the PS3 has access to all the PC mods. NCSoft is now going to be bring all their titles to the PS3. I realize the two markets will never merge, but if I have saw a PC in a console box, it is the PS3.
As for as this console/PC talk, ironically, the PS3 is basically a PC in console form if you think about it. Everything is open standard on the platform, free online, open online. You can hook up keyboard and mouse for FPS games, the first taste of their online setup is brought forth in Unreal Tournament 3 where the PS3 has access to all the PC mods. NCSoft is now going to be bring all their titles to the PS3. I realize the two markets will never merge, but if I have saw a PC in a console box, it is the PS3.
Correct approach, but I really doubt that 2 top titles could bring people back to the PC. Since consoles offer higher resolutions there is really no need to play on the PC. Particularly when people come home from work where they sit on a desk all day long, for example. So, couch + bigger screen > PC gaming.PistolGrip said:
Teknopathetic
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I'm really curious as to what alternate reality dk_ and PistolGrip are living in where PC Game sales are slowing down.
Articles, links, charts?
Articles, links, charts?
As far as hardware goes, definitely.Mrbob said:Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh, no. Lets not go overboard in the other direction.
For 500 bucks, PS3 is easily the best bang for your buck total package you'll get.
Teknopathetic said:
PC gaming is growing everywhere, even in the US. So they can't bring any charts. They just THINK PC gaming is dead. But hey, who wouldn't if GAF is your primary source of gaming info? So much anti-PC FUD being spread here it's ridiculous.
Kabouter said:
I agree, the whole 'PC gaming is dead' argument is tired and proven wrong time and time again through the years, but I do think it's only going to become increasingly more of a niche market with time. Outside of flash games, WoW, and Sim expansions, being a real PC gamer is just plain expensive and time consuming. I am one amongst several dork friends of mine that have pretty much given up on the upgrade game and basically gone exclusively to consoles. I just can't plop the kind of cash necessary for a decent card, processor, mobo, etc and feel I'm getting as much out of it as I used to. I'm willing to sacrifice some graphical performance and, yes, even some PC-only titles for the ease of just throwing a disc in a console, turning it on...and watching three red lights flash and drive me to murder. (I keed!) A trip to your local game or electronics store will let you know where PC gaming stands amongst the common masses, hell, if Gamestop even has a PC rack anymore. Granted, online distribution is becoming more and more the norm, but even the best-selling PC titles tend to pale in comparison to the sort of numbers console blockbusters push.
The hardcore PC gamer isn't dying, they're just kind of becoming the LP collector of gaming.
Well...I suppose it's up to your situation. For me, all I need is the card and an extra gig of RAM.Mrbob said:Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhh, no. Lets not go overboard in the other direction.
For 500 bucks, PS3 is easily the best bang for your buck total package you'll get.
Really?PistolGrip said:
"NPD said that PC game sales showed some signs of growth during 2006, as the PC game industry posted revenues in excess of $970 million (an increase of about one percent). Factoring in PC game sales, total industry software sales were up 6 percent to $7.4 billion, from $7.0 billion in 2005."
Link
Mind you, that's only retail. Online sales, and digital downloads are not counted.
"According to CGA numbers in a DFC Intelligence joint market report, the casual games industry made $713 million (USD) in 2005 and revenue is estimated to grow to $1.56 billion (USD) in 2008."
Link
Subscription games are not counted
"According to Lombardi, NPD's retail-sales charts are understating the strength
of PC games sales, and will increasingly understate that strength as the PC
publishing model moves online to alternatives like Steam."
Link
Segata Sanshiro
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You'll find that PistolGrip *is* in fact from another reality.Teknopathetic said:
I'd hardly call the current growth figures going the way of the LPtedtropy said:
I agree, the whole 'PC gaming is dead' argument is tired and proven wrong time and time again through the years, but I do think it's only going to become increasingly more of a niche market with time. Outside of flash games, WoW, and Sim expansions, being a real PC gamer is just plain expensive and time consuming. I am one amongst several dork friends of mine that have pretty much given up on the upgrade game and basically gone exclusively to consoles. I just can't plop the kind of cash necessary for a decent card, processor, mobo, etc and feel I'm getting as much out of it as I used to. I'm willing to sacrifice some graphical performance and, yes, even some PC-only titles for the ease of just throwing a disc in a console, turning it on...and watching three red lights flash and drive me to murder. (I keed!) A trip to your local game or electronics store will let you know where PC gaming stands amongst the common masses, hell, if Gamestop even has a PC rack anymore. Granted, online distribution is becoming more and more the norm, but even the best-selling PC titles tend to pale in comparison to the sort of numbers console blockbusters push.
The hardcore PC gamer isn't dying, they're just kind of becoming the LP collector of gaming.
. As far as the rest going, PC gaming isn't nearly as expensive as you think, it just depends on the graphical level you are willing to settle for and of course your tastes. If all you care about are FPS games and you want to play them at the best possible settings, then, yes, it can be very expensive. But I mostly play godgames and adventures, and I just so happen to have a late 2006 adventure (Secret Files: Tunguska) beside me here, I'll list the minimum system specs:Processor: Pentium III 500MHz
Video card: 16MB DX9 compatible
RAM: 128MB
Other: 2GB disk space, DX9 compatible sound card, DVD-ROM, Mouse
Of course godgames are quite a bit more demanding, so I'll take the prettiest out there (Anno 1701) and list those specs:
P4 2,2GHz
512MB RAM
64MB PS1.1 card (That's OLD if you must know)
3.5GB HDD space
4x DVD-ROM drive
And that's it
Anno 1701 on my >2 year old system btw: http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07251/screenshot0003.jpg
And yes, PC games do tend to be outsold by console games, you're absolutely right on that, and it is smaller than console gaming. It is however a growing market, and therefore absolutely not dying. And if you think lower sales are keeping games from the platform, I'll refer to this thread again:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167154
Pseudo judo
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PC gaming is dying not because it lacks the gamers but because software makers/publishers see huge losses in revenue thanks to piracy. Consoles are the way to go not becuase they are technically better but because the types of people who buy them can't be bothered to mod them to play pirated software.
I think this sence of betrayal that Borys is feeling is misplaced. The PC gamers are betraying the developers and not the other way around.
I think this sence of betrayal that Borys is feeling is misplaced. The PC gamers are betraying the developers and not the other way around.
Phife Dawg said::lol you're living in some kind of alternate reality
Seems they can only do wrong.
If evolution means worse control options and watered down gameplay I'm all for stagnation, thank you.
Doom 3 was so profoundly disappointing that it knocked my faith in id - too many triggers, dumb AI, linear levels. I guess I had been spoilt by Far Cry and expected so much more.
Having said that, I loved RtCW: Enemy Territory so I am very much looking forward to Quake Wars.
Kabouter said:I'd hardly call the current growth figures going the way of the LP
Processor: Pentium III 500MHz
Video card: 16MB DX9 compatible
RAM: 128MB
Other: 2GB disk space, DX9 compatible sound card, DVD-ROM, Mouse
Of course godgames are quite a bit more demanding, so I'll take the prettiest out there (Anno 1701) and list those specs:
P4 2,2GHz
512MB RAM
64MB PS1.1 card (That's OLD if you must know)
3.5GB HDD space
4x DVD-ROM drive
And that's it
Anno 1701 on my >2 year old system btw: http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07251/screenshot0003.jpg
And yes, PC games do tend to be outsold by console games, you're absolutely right on that, and it is smaller than console gaming. It is however a growing market, and therefore absolutely not dying. And if you think lower sales are keeping games from the platform, I'll refer to this thread again:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=167154
My PC's plugging along with an old 128MB GeForce 6800, although I couldn't really tell you the last time I even turned it on. Mostly I'm on the laptop. It ran HL2 and Episode 1 alright, although not as well as I'd prefer. I toy off and on with the notion of going to Fry's, spluring a little and picking up a decent CPU+mobo combo and card, I just don't think I'd get enough return off of it for the invested time and money. Between the three consoles I barely get to play them enough as is, it's made my decision a little easier. I think PCs are great for those smaller genre games that tend to get overlooked on consoles.
Teknopathetic
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"PC gaming is dying not because it lacks the gamers but because software makers/publishers see huge losses in revenue thanks to piracy. Consoles are the way to go not becuase they are technically better but because the types of people who buy them can't be bothered to mod them to play pirated software.
I think this sence of betrayal that Borys is feeling is misplaced. The PC gamers are betraying the developers and not the other way around."
This is great if you ignore the fact that piracy is equally (or moreso) prevalent in European countries, yet PC game sales and PC game development is quite healthy there.
Even with that said, PC gaming's quite healthy in the US, too. You just don't have a clue about the PC gaming market.
I think this sence of betrayal that Borys is feeling is misplaced. The PC gamers are betraying the developers and not the other way around."
This is great if you ignore the fact that piracy is equally (or moreso) prevalent in European countries, yet PC game sales and PC game development is quite healthy there.
Even with that said, PC gaming's quite healthy in the US, too. You just don't have a clue about the PC gaming market.
bee
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hmmm wheres the new ID game hope it gets shown today.
on the boring subject of pc gaming dying and selling poorly
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169294
you sure about that?
on the boring subject of pc gaming dying and selling poorly
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169294
you sure about that?
Quellex said:
Yep, nothing could quite beat the days of faking sickness to get a day off from school and immerse myself in every detail of my huge-ass issues of EGM or PC Gamer. I may have touched myself when I read the first Snatcher review. Now days I tend to keep the latest EGM next to the toilet and can (Fe)breeze through its finer points in a crap or two. Getting old sucks.
Both your desktop and laptop should run most PC games fine. It's those rare few system-killers that won't. But who cares about a few FPS games that offer sub-20 hours of entertainment?tedtropy said:
I get not having the time to play all man. I rarely turned on my 360 last year (and can't now since it's been at the European repair centre for over six weeks now).
Kabouter said:
Trouble is I'm abit of a FPS fanboy (likely because of the time thing) and keeping up with modern ones on the PC side tends to lean towards the pricey side. If I sell my car and take the bus to work everyday I might just be able to run Crysis at decent quality.
Knowing how Blizzard designs their games it'll likely run Starcraft 3 fine, perhaps then I'll get back into the whole PC game scene.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Fragamemnon said:
I think the point of Id Tech 5 is that they are trying to make a more extensible, flexible game system more akin to Unreal Tech. If you believe what Carmack said at Apple's WWDC, the new engine is fast, easy to work with, and can do some amazing things. If they pull it off, you'll have an alternative to Unreal Engine that may surprise a few people. I wouldn't bet against Carmack either, although they do have an up hill battle.
And anyone who says their new project looks like Quake is grasping at straws. First of all, we've only seen a very short glimpse of the new tech from WWDC and it was hard to tell anything from it. Plus, it wasn't even the new game. Just a demo for the technology that they threw together for the show, in like 3 days according to Carmack. If I've missed some actual game information, I'd like someone to point it out to me.
Pseudo judo
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"Death" maybe too strong of and adjective but sentiment of my last post stands. The OP hates PC devs new focus on consoles and feels betrayed because of it? Blame PC gamers.Quellex said:
Epic's Michael Capps: "PC gaming is really falling apart. It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it [...] the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead is also concerned about piracy and stated that "piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform."
From the horses mouth.
Fragamemnon
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UT3 needs to be multiplatform not really because of piracy-hell, why bother pirating UT3, it's pointless-but because the damn game costs so much to make that the PC FPS market just isn't big enough to support it by themselves.
It was the game that they wanted to make, and if they need to go multiplatform to meet their business goals, so be it. I think that the piracy argument for a game that's pretty much all multiplayer like UT is ridiculous.
It was the game that they wanted to make, and if they need to go multiplatform to meet their business goals, so be it. I think that the piracy argument for a game that's pretty much all multiplayer like UT is ridiculous.