That's true for some of the games/ applications, but by no means for all of them. Korg DS-10+ uses it for audio processing/ synthesis for example, and Opera to dramatically speed up website rendering. What we don't know is whether or not the additional power and RAM can be used for graphics at all, as most of the shortcomings when it comes to 3D graphics seem to be actual technical limitations, not a lack of pure horsepower. It can be used for audio stuff, though. More RAM to store higher quality samples or soundkits and more processing power to use more advanced compression algorithms and higher quality mixing with little impact.Somnid said:
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E3 2010, new consoles or handhelds?
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WanderingWind
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I sincerely hope there are zero hardware announcements this year. Looking back over the past year, the consoles have only really just now hit their stride. I don't want the cycle to begin again so dang soon.
silverbullet1080
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Golden Sun.GCX said:
Black-Wind
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I just call it Wii+ because, as Reggie said, if it happens it would do MORE then just HD graphics. The closest thing on your list that I would pick would be GREEN + more.HUELEN10 said:
Theres soo many things that can be fixed with the Wii that Nintendo seems to not be happy about. From piracy to storage to online. Between the Maxconsole and What they play reports I think they plan to hit on some pretty interesting things.
Yes, I think some past Wii games will/ can be up-scaled on it as well as future Wii Titles. I think that this would be a good plan for keeping reg Wii games around for devs/ pubs/ Nintendo (which can be made for reg Wii game amounts of money) well offering the possibility of HD from up-scaling so that these games can be marketed to people With or With Out a Wii+ which will have Wii+ exclusives and cross plateform titles that can't be done on the Wii (and I think that they WILL use the trade in thing to help the new people who just got into gaming this gen . . . and to draw from the Reg Wii install base as to make the piracy measures become the standard).
I also think that they will try to do something big about piracy along with fixing some of the other problems ranging from online to memory as to make it more appealing to those who have a problem with the Wii in those regards.
But most of all, with these "DS2 2010" rumors, I can't help but to think that this Wii+ will be highly connected to their new handheld (w/e it may be) and these 2 systems will try to become a type of "hybrid" between consoles and handhelds. Or maybe Im thinking ahead of myself, they could try that next gen but if they make a Wii+ this gen then theres no telling when the real next gen will start.
What was I talking about again . . .?
Oh, when I think "Wii HD/+" I think "Wii with HD graphics/ up-scaling some past and future reg Wii titles/ Shit to stop piracy and fix other complaints like memory and online/ and some other new shit that may or may not be connected to a successor to the DS."
Oh, with M+ standard.
Epic Tier 3 Engineer
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I dunno. But after seeing the PSP GO, I'm absolutely dying for a touch screen Sony handheld with a decent MP3 player for a reasonable price. PSP would be perfect if it had a decent music/media player.
Grampa Simpson
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Let me clarify my thoughts on this a bit.
If we see a Wii+ or WiiHD (something in Huelen's GREEN band) in 2010, I think that will be the end of standard console cycles from Nintendo, at least until Nintendo falls back into the position they were with the Gamecube. Nintendo could make continuous iterations of PPC+ATI GPU+Bluetooth every 2-4 years and maintain compatibility, libraries, and momentum for a long time to come. I think if they took this model, they'd be making a refinement on the PS1->PS2 strategy, and that Microsoft would follow suit. The only player that seems like they might be unlikely to do so would be Sony, but only because of the challenges presented in maintaining backwards compatibility with the PS3, while at the same time making a system more palatable to developers. I think if Nintendo took this strategy and was successful with it, I think Sony would make a less exotic PS4 (xenon-like cpu, shared memory pool between cpu and gpu) and fall into the pattern from there.
It's a business model change that makes sense
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I could see a progression in names too.
Wii (2006)
WiiHD (2010) (HDMI Port - HD Twin Speeds - More memory - bigger flash -
- Controller refinements)
WiiHD Plus (2013) (more and faster - more solid framerates at higher resolutions. Controller refinements)
WiiHD Plus Turbo (2016) (same)
WiiHD Plus Double-Turbo (2020) (same)
If we see a Wii+ or WiiHD (something in Huelen's GREEN band) in 2010, I think that will be the end of standard console cycles from Nintendo, at least until Nintendo falls back into the position they were with the Gamecube. Nintendo could make continuous iterations of PPC+ATI GPU+Bluetooth every 2-4 years and maintain compatibility, libraries, and momentum for a long time to come. I think if they took this model, they'd be making a refinement on the PS1->PS2 strategy, and that Microsoft would follow suit. The only player that seems like they might be unlikely to do so would be Sony, but only because of the challenges presented in maintaining backwards compatibility with the PS3, while at the same time making a system more palatable to developers. I think if Nintendo took this strategy and was successful with it, I think Sony would make a less exotic PS4 (xenon-like cpu, shared memory pool between cpu and gpu) and fall into the pattern from there.
It's a business model change that makes sense
to me
I could see a progression in names too.
Wii (2006)
WiiHD (2010) (HDMI Port - HD Twin Speeds - More memory - bigger flash -
hard drive slot?
WiiHD Plus (2013) (more and faster - more solid framerates at higher resolutions. Controller refinements)
WiiHD Plus Turbo (2016) (same)
WiiHD Plus Double-Turbo (2020) (same)
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DS2 at E3 for sure. Going to be released by the end of the year.
Grampa Simpson
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I think that's a lock. The question is one of how they handle the transition. Standard console transition, or DS->DSi transition?Ether_Snake said:
Opus Angelorum
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I think the DS2 cannot afford to be just a simple 'i' upgrade, it needs to have something special at its core that distinguishes it from the original DS. I'm not quite sure what that could be, full motion sensitivity?
Grampa Simpson
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Wide top screen.Opus Angelorum said:
Opus Angelorum
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bmf said:
I not sure a change of screen format alone would warrant a new model.
H_Prestige
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bmf said:
Would this mean forward compatibility? As in there would only be one Wii software library and the original 2006 Wii would still be able to play every game. Because I like that idea for consoles. It's a lot less messy.
And for those devs who have the budget and really want to push the graphics, I guess they could be allowed to make games that require at least WiiHD Plus or whatever, so long as they know they would be selling to a smaller user base.
Grampa Simpson
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The consumers would see the wider screen and notice the sharper graphics in the demoed titles. It would be launched as a new minor iteration. DSi Wide? We (the enthusiasts) would hear about the higher resolution screens, the beefier CPU and GPU, and the better LCDs. The OS would change again.Opus Angelorum said:
New Super Mario DS 2 (with local multiplayer like NSMBWii) and Monster Hunter 3 Portable could be launch titles for the likes of us. Since this will be a new system internally, Nintendo could include a handful of assets in flash to pretty up their evergreen games - Nintendogs, Brain Age, Animal Crossing, Tomodachi, whatever I'm forgetting.
Wide screen wouldn't necessarily be what the consumer sees as far as the upgrade goes. It could be the addition of touch sensitivity to the upper screen, or the addition of an analog stick. It could be a combination of multiple things.
It's a change in marketing mostly.
Cold-Steel
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Count me in the "hoping for NO new hardware" crowd.
Maybe some revisions to the PSP and DS - but nothing more than that.
Maybe some revisions to the PSP and DS - but nothing more than that.
Synth_floyd
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Have there been any credible rumors or leaks about a redesigned Xbox 360?
The only likely hardware announcements are:
- PSP 4000
- Natal
The only likely hardware announcements are:
- PSP 4000
- Natal
KingJ2002
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I would expect Nintendo to unveil a new handheld... or more likely announce a new handheld for the future... with possible hints at a new console.
I would also expect microsoft to expand on the zune's capabilities and make it a touch screen gaming device akin to apple's iphone offerings. Provide easy SDK's for people to create easy games for their console.
Sony probably will announce a new PSP model... killing off the older UMD based model and sticking with DD for future handhelds
Apple will keep trucking with their iphone offerings.
If the WiiHD were to happen... i wouldnt consider it a new offering like Gamecube to Wii... in hindsight it will just give people HD display of their current offerings. So to me it's more of a upgrade package like the Expansion Pack for the N64.
I would also expect microsoft to expand on the zune's capabilities and make it a touch screen gaming device akin to apple's iphone offerings. Provide easy SDK's for people to create easy games for their console.
Sony probably will announce a new PSP model... killing off the older UMD based model and sticking with DD for future handhelds
Apple will keep trucking with their iphone offerings.
bmf said:
If the WiiHD were to happen... i wouldnt consider it a new offering like Gamecube to Wii... in hindsight it will just give people HD display of their current offerings. So to me it's more of a upgrade package like the Expansion Pack for the N64.
JoshuaJSlone
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This month makes 6 years since the DS was announced. It's not much of a rush.GoDLiKe said:
Announcing something this year doesn't mean they'll release this year. It's pretty normal for the manufacturers to at least throw a bone of details a couple years in advance.DeaconKnowledge said:
Grampa Simpson
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The idea is that it would mean initial forwards compatibility with most software. I'm not sure that the 3rd parties would latch onto that at first given that they've been loathe to release any significant software for the 2006 system. I think Nintendo would, and that some franchises like Rabbids would grab a hold of that idea. I think that later iteration may pull most 3rd parties into the philosophy. I also think that there might be a sort of phasing out. By the time the 2013 system comes out, the 2006 system may no longer be available. If that's the case, Nintendo may make the 2010 system their primary target for 2013-14 titles, but their big enthusiast title for the year might require the 2013 console. Third parties may or may not follow suit. You may also see titles that have more than one texture and model set on the disc. A bit how PC games tend to have texture quality settings.H_Prestige said:
It would change development processes. It may add a bit more overhead in some ways, but at the same time, could allow a team to generate a title for two different systems - the old and the newer - a bit how HD Twin games are generated now.
Nintendo could announce a Wii+ wich is a Wii that can output 720p. A lot of Wii games can be seen at 720p + a lot of AA like Smash Bros and they are really better.
This Wii play normal Wii games (which remains the same as before) but render them at 720p + AA and some other neat stuff. Also has 8GB Flash Drive. This means that you do not need to buy the Wii+ to play Wii games, but if you do, you see them at higher res/with AA and you have more space.
Following Nintendo recent strategy to relase the same console with some neat upgrate (like they did with the DS, DS Lite, DSi), they will probably do the same with the Wii (there are a lot of people which would buy another Wii just to see other games better), this would boost selling old games since people want to replay them, and the original Wii will be removed from the market to help boosting the sales (after all would be pointless to buy the original Wii after the Wii+).
Also it would come with a Wii M+ controller and Wii Sports Resort.
BUT, the price increase from the Wii and the Wii+ should be low since the original Wii will be removed from the market and newcomers would be forced to spend more (lets say 299 - 349 instead of 259)
This Wii play normal Wii games (which remains the same as before) but render them at 720p + AA and some other neat stuff. Also has 8GB Flash Drive. This means that you do not need to buy the Wii+ to play Wii games, but if you do, you see them at higher res/with AA and you have more space.
Following Nintendo recent strategy to relase the same console with some neat upgrate (like they did with the DS, DS Lite, DSi), they will probably do the same with the Wii (there are a lot of people which would buy another Wii just to see other games better), this would boost selling old games since people want to replay them, and the original Wii will be removed from the market to help boosting the sales (after all would be pointless to buy the original Wii after the Wii+).
Also it would come with a Wii M+ controller and Wii Sports Resort.
BUT, the price increase from the Wii and the Wii+ should be low since the original Wii will be removed from the market and newcomers would be forced to spend more (lets say 299 - 349 instead of 259)
MadOdorMachine
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Interesting. 2011 would be 5 years after the Wii was released, so it makes sense. Despite some people's hopes, I don't think the next Zelda will be out this year (2010). If they pushed it back to 2011, that would be the perfect launch title particularly if they're wanting to push new tech. Requiring motion + for a game like Zelda seems like it's asking for a lot of backlash from consumers as well. If this is true, then you could almost certainly bet a new handheld would be released this year, so keep your eyes peeled. Either way, there are already rumors circulating about a new DS so if they continue to escalate in the current months, it'll increase the odds. As good as Nintendo are at keeping secrets, news of their systems have leaked prior to release over the last decade.grandjedi6 said:
Mr. Wonderful
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I just can't imagination a hardware refresh of a hardware refresh working very well, however.Yazus said:
yurinka
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Microsoft : Zune HD games playable. Natal will be bundled with Elite as standard. Natal games playable
Sony : PSP 4000. Not PS4 or new PS3 SKU, but Wand games playable, 3D games playable and announcement of new PS3 services (some premium)
Nintendo : Gameboy Pocket Printer 2 for the DS: it now prints money. Iwata says they need too much ducktaped NGC's to make a WiiHD and laughs. No new Nintendo consoles this year.
Sony : PSP 4000. Not PS4 or new PS3 SKU, but Wand games playable, 3D games playable and announcement of new PS3 services (some premium)
Nintendo : Gameboy Pocket Printer 2 for the DS: it now prints money. Iwata says they need too much ducktaped NGC's to make a WiiHD and laughs. No new Nintendo consoles this year.
silverbullet1080
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troofGilgamesh said:
Grampa Simpson
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I don't want to see it happen - a WiiHD this year - I'd rather see traditional console cycles. I think that mini-generations would confuse the market more. Nintendo may see the change as acceptable, despite the drawbacks.KingJ2002 said:
Barry Lightning
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i think with the exception of nintendo, consumers wont give a fuck about handhelds. leave it to nintendo and apple, because thats obviously where we are going people.
faceless007
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This gen can't be over until I get a black Wii, dammit.
Thunder Monkey
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I'm fine with the current hardware for a few more years.
faceless007
Member
The DSi, which has only been out one year, is about to segment the games market, which Nintendo has never been fond of doing. Why would they segment it even further so soon?bmf said:
H.Cornerstone
Member
The only thing I am expecting are a PSP 2 and a redesigned 360 that is actually built properly so it doesn't break all the time and save MSFT money.
Whenever anyone seems to theorize about a new Wii (no matter how minor it would be) they never truly address the following:
#1) Market segmentation. Nintendo is still trying their darndest to sell the $20 WM+ to us and that is just a peripheral...a whole other system (even if it's just a Wii upgrade with 720p output) is going to segment the Wii market to obscurity...especially considering the expanded audience they're going for.
#2) Transfering data. No one addresses these potentially major issue. Those who spout off that the Nintendo-core would buy a Wii+ (even if it's just 720p) ignore that most important game save data and WiiShop Channel purchases would be an issue to transfer from one system to another. I imagine this is why NOA hasn't been gung-ho on new Wii colors coming here yet.
#3) Piracy. The disc's and drives in the current Wii are just too easy to bypass at this point and any sort of "new" Wii this soon (2010/2011) would most likely have to be based on the same format to keep B/C which could very well mean the same architecture overall (same OS, same friend codes system, same WFC) thus limiting the system itself, as well as the mindshare it brings all while doing nothing concrete against piracy.
#4) The Point!?! We can go on and on about the point of the Wii not being like the competiton (both good and bad), but in actuality the Wii is still beating the competition. Instead of the mainstream press wanting an easy-to-understand Coke vs Pepsi dualopoly (MS vs Sony) and the hardly core constantly pigeon-holing one point-of-view (casual Wii vs core HD) you'll see that Nintendo is doing just fine! So why the need for an HD Wii now, it'd be nice, but Nintendo is leading the market now and they're gonna do what they're gonna do regardless of what everyone else thinks would be nice. They're gonna milk this puppy (just as they're still milking the DS) and regardless of what many a GAFer thinks, they don't need HD to do it.
IF...a "Wii HD" comes in any form before 2011/2012 it would most likely not be a "next" Wii let alone what Pachter believes (a X360 power level Wii). I'd guess it would be a post-processing upgrade (think N64 Expansion Pak) that attaches to the back of the current Wii, takes old and new Wii games and filters/upconverts them (much like many players do with DVD's today) so as to avoid many of the above problems (allowing current Wii owners a simple upgrade).
But, if ya think about it, if that's what Nintendo would even fathom, don't you think they woul've made the current Wii upgradable (like the NES, SNES, N64 & GCN before it)...this is the first Nintendo home console where Nintendo did NOT make an EXP port at all. To me (going hand-in-hand with point #4) if Nintendo was really about doing something like that, they would've made it easier on themselves and everyone else by giving the Wii an EXP port to begin with, but they didn't (just like they didn't add any HD output either). I think they didn't add either *on purpose* so that we'd all focus less on what the games look like and more on how the games played. The Wii is different, get over it.
As far as the DS or any kind of Nintendo portable successor...hmmm...I don't think we'll see either a new home console or portable from Nintendo until they can converge the two (hybrid hardware) or make both future hardware's play the same games (universal media format, most likely, holo-card based). That could be within the next year, or maybe within the 2011/2012 timeframe?
#1) Market segmentation. Nintendo is still trying their darndest to sell the $20 WM+ to us and that is just a peripheral...a whole other system (even if it's just a Wii upgrade with 720p output) is going to segment the Wii market to obscurity...especially considering the expanded audience they're going for.
#2) Transfering data. No one addresses these potentially major issue. Those who spout off that the Nintendo-core would buy a Wii+ (even if it's just 720p) ignore that most important game save data and WiiShop Channel purchases would be an issue to transfer from one system to another. I imagine this is why NOA hasn't been gung-ho on new Wii colors coming here yet.
#3) Piracy. The disc's and drives in the current Wii are just too easy to bypass at this point and any sort of "new" Wii this soon (2010/2011) would most likely have to be based on the same format to keep B/C which could very well mean the same architecture overall (same OS, same friend codes system, same WFC) thus limiting the system itself, as well as the mindshare it brings all while doing nothing concrete against piracy.
#4) The Point!?! We can go on and on about the point of the Wii not being like the competiton (both good and bad), but in actuality the Wii is still beating the competition. Instead of the mainstream press wanting an easy-to-understand Coke vs Pepsi dualopoly (MS vs Sony) and the hardly core constantly pigeon-holing one point-of-view (casual Wii vs core HD) you'll see that Nintendo is doing just fine! So why the need for an HD Wii now, it'd be nice, but Nintendo is leading the market now and they're gonna do what they're gonna do regardless of what everyone else thinks would be nice. They're gonna milk this puppy (just as they're still milking the DS) and regardless of what many a GAFer thinks, they don't need HD to do it.
IF...a "Wii HD" comes in any form before 2011/2012 it would most likely not be a "next" Wii let alone what Pachter believes (a X360 power level Wii). I'd guess it would be a post-processing upgrade (think N64 Expansion Pak) that attaches to the back of the current Wii, takes old and new Wii games and filters/upconverts them (much like many players do with DVD's today) so as to avoid many of the above problems (allowing current Wii owners a simple upgrade).
But, if ya think about it, if that's what Nintendo would even fathom, don't you think they woul've made the current Wii upgradable (like the NES, SNES, N64 & GCN before it)...this is the first Nintendo home console where Nintendo did NOT make an EXP port at all. To me (going hand-in-hand with point #4) if Nintendo was really about doing something like that, they would've made it easier on themselves and everyone else by giving the Wii an EXP port to begin with, but they didn't (just like they didn't add any HD output either). I think they didn't add either *on purpose* so that we'd all focus less on what the games look like and more on how the games played. The Wii is different, get over it.
As far as the DS or any kind of Nintendo portable successor...hmmm...I don't think we'll see either a new home console or portable from Nintendo until they can converge the two (hybrid hardware) or make both future hardware's play the same games (universal media format, most likely, holo-card based). That could be within the next year, or maybe within the 2011/2012 timeframe?
MadOdorMachine
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DrGAKMAN, I hear what you're saying, but all of those issues have never stopped an upgrade before. PS2 was insanely popular and it didn't stop Sony from releasing the PS3. As far as Motion Plus goes, I don't look at it any differently than any other attachment Nintendo has released for the Wii. They're trying to make money remember? The reality is that second sales start to slow, Nintendo needs to be there ready to entice customers to buy their next thing. You also have to keep in mind that this year Sony and Microsoft are both entering an area of the market that Nintendo has had cornered. That's another reason an upgrade of some sort is likely.
MadOdorMachine said:
The issues I presented are still there though. The PS2 -> PS3 next-gen analogy isn't so good, since what most people are suggesting is a Wii -> to "Wii+" mid-gen jump. By waiting for Nintendo generation, Nintendo would be much better poised to address those issues (and more) than a half-assed mid-gen jump.
When I talk about Motion + I'm less talking about how we (as "gamers") perceive as a cheap upgrade, but how Nintendo's expanded audience views and how they're still trying to sell it to them too. Now imagine a whole other system (a "Wii+"), newer/better than the current Wii...how does that make most of the expanded audience really feel? It's not a cheaper/simpler DSi-like upgrade, it cuts much deeper.
Nintendo is still leading this generation, they're fine and they're actually doing phenomenal considering the economic climate. Sales were going to slow, not just due to the economy though, but 'cos there was no way the Wii (or any system before it) has even sold so briskly for so long, it eventually has to come to a head. The MAIN reason of the "slowdown" has more to do with those factors coupled with lack of titan software (to Nintendo's own admission, there was a huge gap there from mid-2008 to mid-2009) and little to nothing to do with lack of HD.
You're right, Nintendo has "that market" cornered. People already view them as the kids/casual/motion thing regardless of what Sony/MS try. I think Natal/PS glow sticks will have little to no effect on the Wii market as a whole, just as a "Wii HD" would have little to no effect on the HD market.
Picture the scenario's like this:
#1) Sony/MS "react" to the Wii late in this generation with Natal/PS glow sticks in hopes of Nintendo "reacting" to them with a "Wii HD". This thusly destroys the mindshare of Nintendo being the motion company, puts them back in the arms race on their terms (HD) all while taking away Nintendo's biggest advantage in marketshare/userbase by effectively splitting them with HD.
#2) Sony/MS "react" to the Wii late in this generation with Natal/PS glow sticks in hopes of Nintendo "reacting" to them with a "WiiHD". Instead, Nintendo releases something completely different with the Vitality Sensor (disrupting themselves with a new, yet cheaper, innovation) and continues strong with better motion & WM+ games than what Sony/MS can provide on their end thus making their attempts at motion controls late/expensive/futile all while Nintendo keeps their marketshare/userbase advantage and forcing Sony/MS to compete the only way they know how with another red ocean, next-gen, arms race based on more power and 3D (next-gen's new HD).
A mid-gen "WiiHD" bump will do about as much damage as Sony/MS's attempts at motion control to usurp Nintendo's market from them.
Buckethead
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I hope to hear about the new vibrators!
Yazus said:
I just cant picture a price increase working. The Wii audience is casual gamers and kids. If they have been seeing the console on sale for $199 and have been thinking of buying it and have been saving up thinking it will cost $199 and then all of a sudden there is a wii+ when they are ready to buy and the original $199 wii is pulled from the market and the wii+ costs $250 or $300 I think most of them would be outraged and think its the same system but Nintendo just raised the price.
Grampa Simpson
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Did I not say continued backwards compatibility? If not, my bad.faceless007 said:
jamesinclair
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jamesinclair said:
In light of the HD DS thread......