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E3 2013: Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Demo

Seda said:
I never really cared for FFIX, it's the slowest game in the series and I really didn't like the progression systems as much as I do Materia, Sphere Grid, License board, or even Junction system.
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Oh, IX is super slow. Absolutely. But I really like how even at max level, every character in IX had a very specific role to play in the party. X and XII's progression systems both make it so every character is completely homogenized by the end of the game, even if they start out distinct. I never really liked that too much. If every character is exactly the same, it just comes down to making a party out of which ones look prettiest.
 
That's why you need XII International, get on it SE we need it

By the way what the hell did they do with the damage numbers? They look like comic sans
 
PlanetSmasher said:
Oh, IX is super slow. Absolutely. But I really like how even at max level, every character in IX had a very specific role to play in the party. X and XII's progression systems both make it so every character is completely homogenized by the end of the game, even if they start out distinct. I never really liked that too much. If every character is exactly the same, it just comes down to making a party out of which ones look prettiest.
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I agree, uniqueness is great. At least 13 made it so each character had a definitive role you could play and certain bosses/enemies were easier with certain party compositions. It worked really well for VI as well.
 
PlanetSmasher said:
IX may be a slower game by comparison to X or X-2, but its battle system is more fun,
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Its battle system is horrible. So slow it makes normal battles bore people to death and so simple that it lacks any kind of strategic depth. Plus its form of "limit breaks" is the worst in the series. IX is one of the worst playing entries in the series. Even IV (a FF game I absolutely hate) is better.

its characters are vastly more entertaining, its world significantly better designed and more fleshed out
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Vivi is the saving grace of the cast, otherwise it's not that much more special (Zidane is a boring main character and a total copy-paste job of Cloud story-wise). And Yuna is a far more interesting female protagonist than any of them from IX.

and its music is largely better as well.
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I've never liked IX's OST that much. It has a few stand out pieces but otherwise it's forgettable. X's with Hamauzu is much more memorable.

X really only has speed going for it.
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Speed and at least some level of strategy, which make its battles infinitely more entertaining than IX's slow struggle.
 
Watching that first part of FFX actually reminded me of my thoughts when I was playing it for the first time: "why am I playing as this idiot instead of that badass dude?".
 
Well the main thing I'm worried about...


...is until one of these threads or e3 posts, or something, I had assumed that the Vita and PS3 versions would be completely identical. I mean, it's a PS2 game....and the Vita was in mind the entire time it was being made (or at least that is realistic to believe based on timing of announcement and release).




But someone somewhere said something like "The Vita looks almost as good as the PS3 version"...

I tried to find Vita specific e3 trailer/video, but everything showing doesnt specify.


So is the Vita version going to be slightly inferior, or what?
 
Famassu said:
Its battle system is horrible. So slow it makes normal battles bore people to death and so simple that it lacks any kind of strategic depth. Plus its form of "limit breaks" is the worst in the series. IX is one of the worst playing entries in the series. Even IV (a FF game I absolutely hate) is better.
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The trance system was kind of annoying, but I think the majority of the "slowness" is just the PS1 having trouble loading animations with a reasonable amount of speed. I liked the four-character party and the distinct roles every character played.

Vivi is the saving grace of the cast, otherwise it's not that much more special (Zidane is a boring main character and a total copy-paste job of Cloud story-wise). And Yuna is a far more interesting female protagonist than any of them from IX.
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I like Zidane a hell of a lot more than whiny Tidus, and Yuna is one of the most boring, uninteresting lead characters in the entire franchise. It may have just been her completely passionless English voice actress that did it, but I used to refer to Yuna as "The Human Doormat" among my RPG-fan friends back in the day. Zero spine, zero charisma. Just a vapid, soulless void of a character.

The whimsy and the energy of the characters in IX was just so much more fun to me than the relatively serious cast in X, which was then dragged down by Rikku's hyperactive catgirl nonsense. Auron was the only character in the FFX cast that I actually liked. Well, Jecht too, but he wasn't a party member.

I've never liked IX's OST that much. It has a few stand out pieces but otherwise it's forgettable. X's with Hamauzu is much more memorable.
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Honestly, I kind of hate Hamauzu's style. It's just so quiet and dull, everything just blends into the background. I like melodically-driven music, and Hamauzu's stuff is way, way too ambient by comparison. I literally don't remember anything out of FFX's soundtrack except for the very obvious Uematsu songs. Meanwhile, IX has a lot more songs that stuck with me, like Melodies of Life, You Are Not Alone, Vamo 'alla Flamenco, Hunter's Chance and Dark Messenger.

Speed and at least some level of strategy, which make its battles infinitely more entertaining than IX's slow struggle.
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I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I just brute forced through the entire game with Aeons.
 
friz898 said:
Well the main thing I'm worried about...


...is until one of these threads or e3 posts, or something, I had assumed that the Vita and PS3 versions would be completely identical. I mean, it's a PS2 game....and the Vita was in mind the entire time it was being made (or at least that is realistic to believe based on timing of announcement and release).




But someone somewhere said something like "The Vita looks almost as good as the PS3 version"...

I tried to find Vita specific e3 trailer/video, but everything showing doesnt specify.


So is the Vita version going to be slightly inferior, or what?
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There was an article that said the Vita version looks better because of the OLED screen. I'm on my phone so it would be a pain to find it but it was definitely said
 
PlanetSmasher said:
Oh, IX is super slow. Absolutely. But I really like how even at max level, every character in IX had a very specific role to play in the party. X and XII's progression systems both make it so every character is completely homogenized by the end of the game, even if they start out distinct. I never really liked that too much. If every character is exactly the same, it just comes down to making a party out of which ones look prettiest.
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By the time you complete the game the chars still have specific roles.
It's only when you start doing all the sidequest/end game content the characters become more of the same.
Weapon customization also furthers the role you want the characters to play.
 
I feel like part of why the new character models look "soulless" to people is twofold - my impression is that the sort of gradient faux-"shadowing" in the original game is absent, which takes away from the realism of the faces, but also it strikes me as very possible that actual facial-expression work isn't done yet. If you look at those GIFs of Yuna yelling during the Yunalesca scene, the original game has her eyebrows furrowed and the new video definitely doesn't have that yet. They might have to be redoing some elements of cutscenes to match the new models, I suppose - I don't know what kind of skeletal animation system FFX was or was not using.
 
badcrumble said:
I feel like part of why the new character models look "soulless" to people is twofold - my impression is that the sort of gradient faux-"shadowing" in the original game is absent, which takes away from the realism of the faces, but also it strikes me as very possible that actual facial-expression work isn't done yet. If you look at those GIFs of Yuna yelling during the Yunalesca scene, the original game has her eyebrows furrowed and the new video definitely doesn't have that yet. They might have to be redoing some elements of cutscenes to match the new models, I suppose - I don't know what kind of skeletal animation system FFX was or was not using.
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They did say during their interview that they were still tweaking the character models, especially the faces. I'm hoping that the facial expressions are just waiting until that stuff's final.
 
ubercheez said:
They did say during their interview that they were still tweaking the character models, especially the faces. I'm hoping that the facial expressions are just waiting until that stuff's final.
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You can see in that same Yunalesca scene video that the old Yuna was looking just above the camera, whereas the new Yuna is looking directly into the camera (which is a really bad idea in general but especially where the uncanny valley effect is concerned).
 
Tidus' face looks jarring to me...

whoever said that theyre still tweaking faces... I hope it's true cuz right now... I'm cringing everytime I see his face...
 
Famassu said:
Its battle system is horrible. So slow it makes normal battles bore people to death and so simple that it lacks any kind of strategic depth. Plus its form of "limit breaks" is the worst in the series. IX is one of the worst playing entries in the series. Even IV (a FF game I absolutely hate) is better.

Vivi is the saving grace of the cast, otherwise it's not that much more special (Zidane is a boring main character and a total copy-paste job of Cloud story-wise). And Yuna is a far more interesting female protagonist than any of them from IX.

I've never liked IX's OST that much. It has a few stand out pieces but otherwise it's forgettable. X's with Hamauzu is much more memorable.

Speed and at least some level of strategy, which make its battles infinitely more entertaining than IX's slow struggle.
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I agree with most of this. While I adore IX, it has a lot of flaws that fans like to overlook which I wouldn't have a problem if they didn't go praising it as the best and only good FF.

The battle system is horrible. Trance and the slowdown are two huge turn-offs and makes replays a chore.

The music is the weakest between VI-X by far. It has some stand outs but overall there's a lot of un memorable tracks. Battle and boss theme, You're Not Alone, Memories Of Life and Vamo Alla Flamenco are it's best tracks.

Finally the characters and their appearance are a hit or miss. I don't really like the chibi style and would have preferred Amano's but I do think it suited characters like Eiko and Vivi(especially Vivi, best character In the game) and it doesn't detract from the game or anything for me but I can see why for other people it would.. The only really good characters in IX were Freya, Beatrix and Vivi. Steiner was okay, Amaranth was boring and Quina was gross. Zidane and Garnet were okay but nothing specially interesting about them.

X is the stronger game in music, visuals, battle system and cast. IX's story is probably better but I prefer X's.
 
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