Des0lar said:well
oh well
And how faithful were they? What was the public reaction like? Were they about a man who takes on the Devil guns a blazin? All important questions.
Des0lar said:well
oh well
Seriously.Flachmatuch said:You're misinterpreting what everyone's saying. The items on the list are quotes, references and allusions. Not titles of derived works pretending to be more than what they are. I have no idea if you're really this dumb and really don't get this or just pretending to be.
Dyno said:How is this reasonably possible? Seriously, think upon it. The literature will in no way be impacted by a video game, be it shovelware or game of the year.
You pretentious book fucktards need to put things in perspective. Your precious book is bigger anything cribbing off it, and it will remain so until the end of time.
Dyno said:How is this reasonably possible? Seriously, think upon it. The literature will in no way be impacted by a video game, be it shovelware or game of the year.
Your precious book is bigger anything cribbing off it, and it will remain so until the end of time.
Dyno said:How is this reasonably possible? Seriously, think upon it. The literature will in no way be impacted by a video game, be it shovelware or game of the year.
You pretentious book fucktards need to put things in perspective. Your precious book is bigger anything cribbing off it, and it will remain so until the end of time.
EschatonDX said:Obviously it won't ruin Inferno itself. But hey, if someone decides to make a crappy movie version of your favorite game, won't you criticise it for being terrible at using the source material? I hope so.
You need to put things in perspective, bub. If something parades itself as an adaptation of something else, you bet your ass I'm going to criticise it if it does a bad job. Especially if it's something I like.
How is doing something in total opposition to the source material somehow "a lot of respect" for it?lsslave said:The thing is, what I gathered from the trailer at least, is that the guys making this have a LOT of respect for the source material
lsslave said:There have been MANY terrible game-movies, I just ignore them, they don't exist, that easy
EschatonDX said:Cool.
And that's why they never get any better.
Aselith said:Yeah, all that list shows you is how influential the book truly is. That's why it's even more sad that videogames SEEMS to be deciding that they need to take a shit on it. They could have easily said we are making a game inspired by Dante's Inferno and I don't think people would have cared. It's the claim of adaptation that is the problem.
I'll wait and see of course but like I said earlier things do not look good.
EschatonDX said:Obviously it won't ruin Inferno itself. But hey, if someone decides to make a crappy movie version of your favorite game, won't you criticise it for being terrible at using the source material? I hope so.
EschatonDX said:Cool.
And that's why they never get any better.
Ahahaha.....LiquidSwords said:I can't believe people think the allegedly realtime bits of that trailer look even remotely good, especially after NeoGAF saying GoW's graphics were underwhelming.
Unless it was Wii.
Dead Space afterglow goggles?
Des0lar said:Even if it is. Why should you care? Why? It's not cheapening the enjoyment you get out of reading the book. It's not cheapening the enjoyment of thousands of other's reading the book.
If the game really is that bad and unfaithful to the book, it will be forgotten. So why would you care? I really can't grasp the concept behind it.
EschatonDX said:Obviously it won't ruin Inferno itself. But hey, if someone decides to make a crappy movie version of your favorite game, won't you criticise it for being terrible at using the source material? I hope so.
You need to put things in perspective, bub. If something parades itself as an adaptation of something else, you bet your ass I'm going to criticise it if it does a bad job. Especially if it's something I like.
I'd like to know what trailer you were watching. The general horror demeanor of the trailer and text like "ITS READERS CAME TO FEAR JUDGMENT" tells me that the point of the story went right over their heads.lsslave said:I could have watched the 5 seconds of footage but I actually read the text and was quite happy to see that there was obvious respect for the source
This, as well as other quotes, proves to me that you couldn't care less about the integrity of the work or how it's games, once again, completely trivializing the importance of a work to turn it into "BLOOD GORE SUPER HACK-A-THON EXTREME."lsslave said:Because it makes a better game than "Dante is on a guided tour through hell" ?
lsslave said:And are progressively doing worse and worse at the box office, I think I win
EschatonDX said:Video game movies are doing fine at the box office. Hitman and Max Payne, for example grossed quite a bit, multiple times their respective budgets. Insisting on higher standards is not a bad thing.
Look, all that's happened here is that I saw the teaser(due to my interest in the source material), laughed out loud. What got me into this argument is you writing off people's takes on this stuff. Stop running damage control for EA, they have the resources to do it themselves.
I AM JOHN! said:Good Lord, GAF, it's like Shawn Elliot said on an episode of GFW Radio months back - when someone criticizes a game for how it tells a story or presents itself, you argue "games are supposed to be fun, shut up;" but you quickly go back to "games are art" when you want to convince your teacher to let you write your thesis on Grand Theft Auto. It's either art or it's not, make up your fucking mind.
I'd like to know what trailer you were watching. The general horror demeanor of the trailer and text like "ITS READERS CAME TO FEAR JUDGMENT" tells me that the point of the story went right over their heads.
This, as well as other quotes, proves to me that you couldn't care less about the integrity of the work or how it's games, once again, completely trivializing the importance of a work to turn it into "BLOOD GORE SUPER HACK-A-THON EXTREME."
I AM JOHN! said:This, as well as other quotes, proves to me that you couldn't care less about the integrity of the work or how it's games, once again, completely trivializing the importance of a work to turn it into "BLOOD GORE SUPER HACK-A-THON EXTREME."
Dyno said:How about we instead just let freedom of speech take its course because that is the heart of this issue. You think a stake-driving Dante is in such poor taste that it might somehow cheapen the original and so if you had your wish you might censure it. At the very least you are disparaging the work in a vain hope that your opinion become contagious.
That's not how a healthy, creative, artistically-minded society works. Dante's Inferno couldn't have been published in such an environment in the first place.
I'll tell you how it works. People get to make whatever the fuck they want and then it's judged on it's own merits. No piece of classic literature requires worthless defenders like yourself, and instead we simply allow artists to express themselves free of fear and doubt. In the end we'll be better off, trust me on this, and the only drawback is that from time to time the lowest shelves of our stores are crammed with works of hackery sold well below cost.
Dyno said:This is actually a pretty ironic statement with regards to Inferno. Written in Italian for the common person, there is no doubt that the tortures and horrors of hell was one of it's biggest selling points at the time. Sure there was much narration for the learned to ponder and discuss, but Inferno was a 'gore-fest' of its times.
Dare I say that it seems almost proper for the lurid entertainment of one age to be used again by another?
EschatonDX said:Hell no I wouldn't. How the fuck did you gather that? I have no problem with DI's existence. I'm an American Citizen and the right of free speech matters more to me than you know, so don't try and mind read me because you don't know me and you never will. Okay? I'm posting my opinion on the subject. That's free speech too, but Isslave doesn't seem to want that to happen. I'll tell you how it works: with lower standards, we get worse products. Personally, if you're too much of a wimp to put your material out their for fear of judgement, you don't believe in your product. EA obviously does. I never said they couldn't make DI. Period.
lsslave said:I'm not running damage control, I am arguing with people on the subject and how they are acting OFFENDED by it
For how important it is, a search in the off-topic of "The Divine Comedy" came up with 0 results, it didn't mean enough to discuss it before the game was announced to these same people
Amir0x said:I need a animated gif of The Doctor at the end of Doctor Who Season 1 going "What. What? WHAT?"
Dyno said:How about we instead just let freedom of speech take its course because that is the heart of this issue. You think a stake-driving Dante is in such poor taste that it might somehow cheapen the original and so if you had your wish you might censure it. At the very least you are disparaging the work in a vain hope that your opinion become contagious.
That's not how a healthy, creative, artistically-minded society works. Dante's Inferno couldn't have been published in such an environment in the first place.
I'll tell you how it works. People get to make whatever the fuck they want and then it's judged on it's own merits. No piece of classic literature requires worthless defenders like yourself, and instead we simply allow artists to express themselves free of fear and doubt. In the end we'll be better off, trust me on this, and the only drawback is that from time to time the lowest shelves of our stores are crammed with works of hackery sold well below cost.
EschatonDX said:Maybe it's because discussing Dante on GAF isn't where I'd prefer to do it? Hell, i'm actually astonished that so many people in this thread have commented on it. Taking literature discussion onto the internet rarely yields useful fruit, and i'd imagine even more so on game-centric forums.
lsslave said:I'm not running damage control, I am arguing with people on the subject and how they are acting OFFENDED by it
For how important it is, a search in the off-topic of "The Divine Comedy" came up with 0 results, it didn't mean enough to discuss it before the game was announced to these same people
That's a fair point, but I'd like to think that we've come a long way from embracing the pure shock value of the work to look at the higher level aspects of the story, which is what most discussion about it today revolves around. Like I've been saying the entire thread, if you want to take the basic concepts of the low-level entertainment factors of the story (a man going into hell; the nine layers of considerably increasing horrifying factors) and make a game out of it, go for it. But don't call it Dante's Inferno. If you're going to call it that, I'm going to expect what's actually focused on in the story, not the gruesome imagery that seems like whoever read Dante and decided to make a game out of his work seems to think that the story is all about, as if it were just some sort of torture porn.Dyno said:This is actually a pretty ironic statement with regards to Inferno. Written in Italian for the common person, there is no doubt that the tortures and horrors of hell was one of it's biggest selling points at the time. Sure there was much narration for the learned to ponder and discuss, but Inferno was a 'gore-fest' of its times.
Dare I say that it seems almost proper for the lurid entertainment of one age to be used again by another?
Quite the contrary, I'd say it's you and Stormy et al who are look for something to hate on.lsslave said:The bolded is true, but the fact is the people here aren't doing it (for the most part) out of any love for the work, it gives them something to hate on
HK-47 said:Well there's a fucking fallacy if I ever saw one
EschatonDX said:Hell no I wouldn't. How the fuck did you gather that? I have no problem with DI's existence. I'm an American Citizen and the right of free speech matters more to me than you know, so don't try and mind read me because you don't know me and you never will. Okay? I'm posting my opinion on the subject. That's free speech too, but Isslave doesn't seem to want that to happen. I'll tell you how it works: with lower standards, we get worse products. Personally, if you're too much of a wimp to put your material out their for fear of judgement, you don't believe in your product. EA obviously does. I never said they couldn't make DI. Period.
I AM JOHN! said:That's a fair point, but I'd like to think that we've come a long way from embracing the pure shock value of the work to look at the higher level aspects of the story, which is what most discussion about it today revolves around. Like I've been saying the entire thread, if you want to take the basic concepts of the low-level entertainment factors of the story (a man going into hell; the nine layers of considerably increasing horrifying factors) and make a game out of it, go for it. But don't call it Dante's Inferno. If you're going to call it that, I'm going to expect what's actually focused on in the story, not the gruesome imagery that seems like whoever read Dante and decided to make a game out of his work seems to think that the story is all about.
Quite the contrary, I'd say it's you and Stormy et al who are look for something to hate on.
lsslave said:Looks really good O.O
Edit: By the way guys, its not FOLLOWING the divine comedy, it is INSPIRED by it, its using the views of the 9 circles of hell and making a pretty sweet looking action game from it ^_^
I have never said someone couldn't have an opinion, the argument I am focusing on is the people who are outright hating on the material
But he is right, in modern climate this book would be a different story
The part I bolded is probably the thing I respect you most for about all your posts, EA has caused a lot of griefers to target them over this subject matter, I am sure they knew it was coming, and they must truly believe in their product as you have said to risk getting into this kind of flame war over it.
lsslave said:The bolded is true, but the fact is the people here aren't doing it (for the most part) out of any love for the work, it gives them something to hate on
For most people they just need ONE thing to hate on, me for example (aside from how close I have come many times to getting one :/ I hate the fact so many good games are released) I loathe Microsoft, if I didn't require a PC I would go MAC and I have no intent of a 360 (until the next game comes out and I almost buy one AGAIN >.<) but instead of going into threads at every opportunity to flame it I just ignore those threads
On the other hand, in the OT there are some good conversations that can arise, i think the formula is "OP, serious comment/joke, joke, joke, serious comment, joke joke, serious comment" etc. unless its a joke thread or a thread backfire
Dyno said:American Citizen! Oh ho! How could I possibly mistake your opinions as those of some other, lesser citizen. Who am I to question the knowledge or even the intelligence of an American?
:lol
Of course you read like an American, a Christian in fact, and you Christians are all alike. You preach freedom of speech to the heavens but at the end of the day you want everyone to think and act like you do. Your comments are indeed a form of censorship, which shows how little you actually know about the subject. They are also wildly prejudiced because aside from five seconds of footage you know nothing about this project.
What you call 'standards' I call groupthink. I also LOVE how you immasculate people who may live in fear of judgement by inflexable tastemasters like yourself. Even today artists are being persecuted for what they create and sometimes they even suffer injustly for it. Your comments are callous, uninformed, and I'm grateful they're only on the Internet.
lsslave said:Once again, you don't rebut my point you just attack me, your doing a great job in this debate, I was strictly pointing out that for as much as people are trying to stand by their argument right now they didn't care about it a week, a month, or a year ago
lsslave said:This was what I came into this thread to say
Edit: By the way guys, its not FOLLOWING the divine comedy, it is INSPIRED by it, its using the views of the 9 circles of hell and making a pretty sweet looking action game from it ^_^
Its on the first page, I came in and expressed my enthusiasm, and watched the steep decline in rationality and decided to take part
Dyno said:American Citizen! Oh ho! How could I possibly mistake your opinions as those of some other, lesser citizen. Who am I to question the knowledge or even the intelligence of an American?
:lol
Of course you read like an American, a Christian in fact, and you Christians are all alike. You preach freedom of speech to the heavens but at the end of the day you want everyone to think and act like you do. Your comments are indeed a form of censorship, which shows how little you actually know about the subject. They are also wildly prejudiced because aside from five seconds of footage you know nothing about this project.
What you call 'standards' I call groupthink. I also LOVE how you immasculate people who may live in fear of judgement by inflexable tastemasters like yourself. Even today artists are being persecuted for what they create and sometimes they even suffer injustly for it. Your comments are callous, uninformed, and I'm grateful they're only on the Internet.
Hellsing321 said:WOW...
HK-47 said:You got some issues dude. You took that and ran with it to one hell of a retarded place
Hellsing321 said:WOW...
Nirolak said:Are people honestly judging how accurate this game is to Dante's Inferno based off a trailer targeted at the audience of the Spike VGAs?
I mean, this could be as accurate to Dante's Inferno as Ninja Gaiden 2 is, I'm not denying it, but I mean, shouldn't we at least wait to see what the game plays like first, or how its story is actually presented?
HK-47 said:Look, I wasnt attacking you. I was attack your argument. Its a bad fallacy plain and simple. Just because the search engine doesnt bring up a topic for discussing the Divine Comedy does not mean people dont care about it. Take a damn logics class, please. Plus the fact that NeoGAF would not be the place that I would try to discuss such a work, since there probably wouldnt be much worthwhile discourse.
I AM JOHN! said:PROTIP: NOBODY WHO IS AGAINST THE GAME HAS SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE GAME OR THE GAMEPLAY SO MUCH AS THEY HAVE SAID THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE DIVINE COMEDY AS SUGGESTED BY THE TRAILER COMPLETELY MISSES THE POINT.
Though I've still yet to see any proof that it is, in fact, the Dead Space team working on it.
Nirolak said:Are people honestly judging how accurate this game is to Dante's Inferno based off a trailer targeted at the audience of the Spike VGAs?
I mean, this could be as accurate to Dante's Inferno as Ninja Gaiden 2 is, I'm not denying it, but I mean, shouldn't we at least wait to see what the game plays like first, or how its story is actually presented?
Dyno said:American Citizen! Oh ho! How could I possibly mistake your opinions as those of some other, lesser citizen. Who am I to question the knowledge or even the intelligence of an American?
:lol
Of course you read like an American, a Christian in fact, and you Christians are all alike. You preach freedom of speech to the heavens but at the end of the day you want everyone to think and act like you do. Your comments are indeed a form of censorship, which shows how little you actually know about the subject. They are also wildly prejudiced because aside from five seconds of footage you know nothing about this project.
What you call 'standards' I call groupthink. I also LOVE how you immasculate people who may live in fear of judgement by inflexable tastemasters like yourself. Even today artists are being persecuted for what they create and sometimes they even suffer injustly for it. Your comments are callous, uninformed, and I'm grateful they're only on the Internet.
I AM JOHN! said:PROTIP: NOBODY WHO IS AGAINST THE GAME HAS SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THE GAME OR THE GAMEPLAY SO MUCH AS THEY HAVE SAID THAT THE INTERPRETATION OF THE DIVINE COMEDY AS SUGGESTED BY THE TRAILER COMPLETELY MISSES THE POINT.
Though I've still yet to see any proof that it is, in fact, the Dead Space team working on it.
White Man said:If it were accurate to Dante's Inferno, it wouldn't be a very interesting videogame.
Dyno said:American Citizen! Oh ho! How could I possibly mistake your opinions as those of some other, lesser citizen. Who am I to question the knowledge or even the intelligence of an American?
:lol
Of course you read like an American, a Christian in fact, and you Christians are all alike. You preach freedom of speech to the heavens but at the end of the day you want everyone to think and act like you do. Your comments are indeed a form of censorship, which shows how little you actually know about the subject. They are also wildly prejudiced because aside from five seconds of footage you know nothing about this project.
What you call 'standards' I call groupthink. I also LOVE how you immasculate people who may live in fear of judgement by inflexable tastemasters like yourself. Even today artists are being persecuted for what they create and sometimes they even suffer injustly for it. Your comments are callous, uninformed, and I'm grateful they're only on the Internet.
lsslave said:I've even tried arguing this point, it doesn't seem to work >.<
White Man said:That's why EA should just pick a property more relevant to action gameplay, like, say, the Federalist Papers.