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EA: Crysis 2 Removed From Steam Due To Crytek/Valve Dispute

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They have lifetime download limits on Origin? If a download gets interrupted somehow, it counts as one of those lifetime licenses being used? Installing a new OS counts as a new computer and a license being used? If you run out of activations you have to contact them to get your license back? Am I seriously reading this?
 
Exuro said:
It's pretty dumb. Mass Effect 2 on Steam uses only Steam DRM yet on Origin it's 5 limit installation. I don't quite understand their reasoning on that.
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If EA had their way, it would be 3 limit installation and $7/year for option to redownload your game, just like they used to do before they were forced to ease up due to Steam's existance.
 
ROBOKITTYZILLA said:
Agree. Everything about that statement and their actions is shady. What is "another download service" and is Crysis 2 the only title affected by Steam's rules? Convenient.
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genuine question: is Crysis 2 currently EA's biggest selling game on Steam?

if it isn't, that would sure support the notion that it's a dispute between Crytek and Valve rather than EA pulling the game to make Origin look better.
 
TruePrime said:
Not as an insult to you, but whoever believes they won't try to do exlusives because of this is having way to much Kool Aid.
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I wasn't very clear. I read the RPS piece as saying there will be some exclusives. In fact, they've straight out said already TOR is going to be exclusive to Origin. But after they removed those "Only on Origin" buttons, it makes me think not everything will be exclusive to Origin.
 
Deadstar said:
If Steam goes away, PC gaming will take a shot in the face. The only reason the master race has survived extinction is because of Steam.
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Wow...actually :lol is more appropriate. Steam is a nice service and all, but PC gaming will continue to live through other similar services. In fact, in terms of sales there are a few that in some cases are better than Steam ;)
 
Exuro said:
It'll be Steamworks seeing how DNF uses it and 2K has used it.
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Borderlands developer has stated a ton of Steam and Valve hate over the years. Maybe he finally came to his senses though.
 
jaundicejuice said:
They have lifetime download limits on Origin? If a download gets interrupted somehow, it counts as one of those lifetime licenses being used? Installing a new OS counts as a new computer and a license being used? If you run out of activations you have to contact them to get your license back? Am I seriously reading this?
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I learned my lesson with D2D and how they won't let me download Prey again. People really shouldn't use these services unless they truly don't give a f.
 
jaundicejuice said:
They have lifetime download limits on Origin? If a download gets interrupted somehow, it counts as one of those lifetime licenses being used? Installing a new OS counts as a new computer and a license being used? If you run out of activations you have to contact them to get your license back? Am I seriously reading this?
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If your download gets interrupted the download pauses and you click resume so that the download continues, you do not click "Download" again and start from scratch.

Where have you been? DRM terms such as this are the norm and are pretty lenient compared to others.
 
jaundicejuice said:
They have lifetime download limits on Origin? If a download gets interrupted somehow, it counts as one of those lifetime licenses being used? Installing a new OS counts as a new computer and a license being used? If you run out of activations you have to contact them to get your license back? Am I seriously reading this?
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yes. from experience though, they are very quick to respond to a request for more activations. they got back to me within half an hour at 3 AM on a Sunday once.

it'd be nice not to have to do it, but they have made it relatively painless.
 
Zzoram said:
If EA had their way, it would be 3 limit installation and $7/year for option to redownload your game, just like they used to do before they were forced to ease up due to Steam's existance.
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because competition is good. and it's a two way street. Origins existing is more likely to have a positive impact on Steam than Origin not existing, from a consumer point of view.
 
Zzoram said:
Borderlands developer has stated a ton of Steam and Valve hate over the years. Maybe he finally came to his senses though.
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That was a long time ago before smaller devs stood up for Valve and told him how wrong he was. They used Steamworks in DNF and they'll use it again in Borderlands 2.
 
Origin is a decent Steam clone. Maybe it won't be so bad. My only concerns lie with the install limitations, Steamworks games don't have any but EA seems to be much more restrictive.

Interestingly, I deauthorized Spore today and it said I have 25 activations left. Spore launched with 3 activations and was boosted to 5 activations after the massive PR nightmare. Has it boosted to 25 since, or does it just add 5 per year?
 
plagiarize said:
yes. from experience though, they are very quick to respond to a request for more activations. they got back to me within half an hour at 3 AM on a Sunday once.

it'd be nice not to have to do it, but they have made it relatively painless.
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So you weren't allowed to download a game because it had reached its maximum activations? If this is true it's really bad on EA's part. What game was it? Is this true for all games?

I'm okay (I don't like it, but I can live with it when buying $10 games) with the 5 machine Securom activations because you can get them back. But this sounds entirely different.
 
Even with all this mess going on, in some way, it's kinda humbling to see big corporations fighting over control of the PC gaming market, acknowledging it matters to their bottom lines again.
 
I don't see this 40% off Origin Crysis 2 sale someone mentioned. Is that US only? ugh ugh ugh



Also Darkspore is 40% off on Steam right now but full price on Origin. lol.
 
plagiarize said:
because competition is good. and it's a two way street. Origins existing is more likely to have a positive impact on Steam than Origin not existing, from a consumer point of view.
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Does EA have any intent to turn Origins into a free marketplace distributing games not developed in-house or by partners with an EA distribution contract?

As I see it Origins is competition to Steam in the same sense that some company's storefront selling their own small selection of goods is competition to Amazon: That is, negligible.
 
Zzoram said:
I don't see this 40% off Origin Crysis 2 sale someone mentioned. Is that US only? ugh ugh ugh



Also Darkspore is 40% off on Steam right now but full price on Origin. lol.
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It's an EA isnider deal. They have to get a certain # of likes on Facebook (normally 1000 I think) and then if they do at a certain time (like 8pm est or something) they release the coupon code. It's incredibly stupid, but they do have pretty good deals sometimes. It also frequently on console version too.

Link: http://www.facebook.com/EAInsiderDeals
 
Evlar said:
Does EA have any intent to turn Origins into a free marketplace distributing games not developed in-house or by partners with an EA distribution contract?

As I see it Origins is competition to Steam in the same sense that some company's storefront selling their own small selection of goods is competition to Amazon: That is, negligible.
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i think they want to leverage it to push more developers to use the partners program, which while not the same thing, is sort of the same thing.

but this isn't just 'some company' this is EA. one of the two biggest publishers there is. even if they just sell their own product through Origin, that's a big deal i think. if they make Origin the number one choice for their PC games, wouldn't that automatically have them leapfrog all the other Steam competitors that sell a wide range of games from different publishers?
 
So wait... what if I own Cysis 2 on Steam and later I wanted to reinstall it? Is it just lost? (Sorry if this has been answered)
 
coopolon said:
It's an EA isnider deal. They have to get a certain # of likes on Facebook (normally 1000 I think) and then if they do at a certain time (like 8pm est or something) they release the coupon code. It's incredibly stupid, but they do have pretty good deals sometimes. It also frequently on console version too.
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Ya I'm never going to do that. Screw Facebook "like" marketing.
 
Now I'm itching to hear the explanation after the EA response. The nasty new Valve Steam "rule" that only affects one game out of thousands on the service. Has anyone done some investigating to see if other games have been pulled?
 
Zzoram said:
Ya I'm never going to do that. Screw Facebook "like" marketing.
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You don't have to actually like it to get the deal. As long as enough people do it, they just release the code and anyone can use it. But it is US only, so it probably won't work for you anyway.

Zzoram said:
How do I view the serial keys on Steam without reinstalling the games?
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If you just hit the install button, then pause it right after it starts downloading, then right click on game and go to View CD key o something about CD key. I personally have registered Mass Effect and Burnout PAradise from Steam to Origin, Dead Space did not work since it doesn't give a CD key.
 
shuyin_ said:
Wow...actually :lol is more appropriate. Steam is a nice service and all, but PC gaming will continue to live through other similar services. In fact, in terms of sales there are a few that in some cases are better than Steam ;)
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There's never been any hard numbers released to my knowledge but I think it's safe to say that Steam is the biggest of it's kind and the first to really drive digital downloads forward.

Given the state of PC gaming in the retail space (exists only in a small piece of shelving in big stores if anywhere), I think it's pretty safe to say that Steam is a big reason PC gaming is still thriving.
 
Mrbob said:
Now I'm itching to hear the explanation after the EA response. The nasty new Valve Steam "rule" that only affects one game out of thousands on the service. Has anyone done some investigating to see if other games have been pulled?
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it's probably more that Crytek didn't see whichever clause in the contract that got the game pulled (presuming Valve pulled it and not EA).

still i want to hear Valve's side of this, and i want to hear what clause has been broken (and when that came into play).
 
Zzoram said:
How do I view the serial keys on Steam without reinstalling the games?
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In your games library, look for the 'cd-key' link.

I've only been able to get ME1&2, Dragon Age and Burnout to register.
 
Minsc said:
Even with all this mess going on, in some way, it's kinda humbling to see big corporations fighting over control of the PC gaming market, acknowledging it matters to their bottom lines again.
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That's actually a nice way of looking at it.
 
i use gamekeyrevealer, shows most serial keys in notepad form
https://sites.google.com/site/cakirbey/gamekeyrevealer

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Hey, remember when you could go to a store, put in the CD and play the fucking game without worrying about these nimrods and "other clients"?

Yea, good times.
 
Malio said:
Hey, remember when you could go to a store, put in the CD and play the fucking game without worrying about these nimrods and "other clients"?
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Yes Steam is better than that, the evolution of it.
 
Nirolak said:
Right click the game in the library and hit "View game CD key".
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Doesn't work for games that aren't installed. However, you can start the install, immediately pause it, view the CD Key, and then delete local content.
 
GJS said:
If your download gets interrupted the download pauses and you click resume so that the download continues, you do not click "Download" again and start from scratch.

Where have you been? DRM terms such as this are the norm and are pretty lenient compared to others.
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Half-Life 2 was my first digital purchase when it was first released, that's "where I've been".

I'm not talking about the user pausing their download, I'm talking your power goes out, your internet connection drops, license gone. plagiarize stated that EA are pretty quick to respond to license issues but it's the fact that there's even a limit or that you have to contact EA to regain access to your purchases. This is lenient? Compared to what? This sounds pretty much exactly like the SecuROM implementation EA had for some of their PC releases over the years. The only thing I imagine that's worse are Ubisoft's games that require a persistent internet connection, which EA's matched with Darkspore.
 
Mimir said:
Doesn't work for games that aren't installed. However, you can start the install, immediately pause it, view the CD Key, and then delete local content.
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If the game isn't installed use the CD Key link under "Links" in the Library view for that game.
 
Mimir said:
Doesn't work for games that aren't installed. However, you can start the install, immediately pause it, view the CD Key, and then delete local content.
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Wrong.

Click the game, in the "main window" there's some links. Click "CD-Key" and there's your CD-key without starting an install or anything.
 
scorpscarx said:
Yes Steam is better than that, the evolution of it.
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It's better in some respects, worse in others. Losing access to all of your games if your account gets banned is a pretty scary prospect.

I like Steam for a lot of reasons but at the end of the day it's still DRM. Yet I think the PC market wouldn't survive without it.
 
My point still stands regarding EA in the other thread even if this new revelation is true. Crysis 2 fucking sucked, good riddance. I won't buy Crysis 3 from Crytek even if it is somehow on Steam.
 
You can also go to the details view in your library and on the far right under "Links" is your CD-key. Don't need to install or start downloading the game.
 
Sethos said:
They launch a service. They want exclusive titles. They retract a massive title from the biggest DD retailer. They label it "Only on Origin". It backfires. They shift the blame, remove the "Only on Origin" and make Steam sound like the bad guys.

That's what I'm reading into it.
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Thanks for summing up the obvious.
 
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