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EA: Crysis 2 Removed From Steam Due To Crytek/Valve Dispute
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I'm not saying it affects each individual the same way. Some people were positively affected by it, and some didn't care, but no one (bar a couple of nutbags) thought negatively of the contest, so the net affect on the community as a whole was positive. Not saying the affect was big necessarily. I don't even know how you'd quantify that.faceless007 said:
To give up the ability to sell a useless empty box on Ebay.Nappuccino said:
water_wendi
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You are right. These companies give out gifts because their love is just that strong.NotTarts said:
Nappuccino
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Fredescu said:
I don't get this argument. Part of the appeal of buying a boxed item is so that you can put it on a shelf and display it. Not so you can sell it for pennies on the dollar a couple months later to some chump on ebay who'll claim it never arrived and demand a refund.
AcceptableGhost
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I'm not saying that steam trojan horseing and sequel selling have absolutely nothing to do with it but do you know how it would feel from a creatives standpoint to let everyone experience what you spent all your time making? Free is the broadest way to do it. I'm sure those Alien Swarm guys loved working on something that EVERYONE could play once they released it.subversus said:
Nappuccino
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water_wendi said:
The company may not be completely altruistic, but that doesn't mean they make you do anything (such as give them your money or pledge undying allegiance) to enjoy what they have given you. How do you not see that.
water_wendi
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i see it for what it is. A marketing tactic.Nappuccino said:
Nappuccino
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water_wendi said:
Oh no there are ads on tv, i better not buy any product i ever see on it because its a marketing tactic.
Expand that out to its logical conclusion and you'll never buy anything because even the packaging on the product is a marketing tactic.
water_wendi
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i dont remember saying that i was boycotting Valve because of their raffles.Nappuccino said:
AcceptableGhost
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I see it for what it is, win-win.water_wendi said:
Without DD so many smaller people would not be able to make cash on the side or even a living. The gaming ecosystem has been enhanced significantly by DD from all angles myself included. Without XBLIG or iOS or whatever I would not be able to make some side cash off of games im making while trying to improve my game making abilities. I guess I don't really see what's wrong with that.
faceless007
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But people who didn't win are using that as an argument in Valve's favor, like it's something every other company doesn't do.Fredescu said:
Hell, if it's that easy to get on gamers' good side then EA can totally undo all the bad press of the last few days by just giving away some games and hyping up the contest.
1. Do a random contest giving away a few games.
2. ???
3. Profit!
Bethesda's RPGs aged terribly, Westwood's (RIPFredescu said:
) RTS games aged nicely, in fact I did play through one campaign in Red Alert after they made it freeware and really enjoyed it. Not as fun as Company of Heroes, but not still very playable.BASS is still one of the best adventure games out there.
And while Valve's potential to monetize Portal 1 was bigger than these 15 years old games, it wasn't much bigger (the games was a part of a bigger bundle since the release) and I'd argue Valve's instant gain was much bigger than Bethesda's or EA's, not only did they promote the incoming Portal 2, but also quickly expanded Steam's userbase among (mostly) Mac owners.
Nappuccino
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water_wendi said:
Nope, you just like arguing for the sake of arguing (especially when the arguing is against DD). Someone else brought that point up and you carried its torch. I understand that, but that torch is extinguished
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confused said:
Allegedly. This whole thing is a murky grey mess of uncertainty.
Metal Gear?!
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It's well accepted that to indicate sarcasm you add a forward slash "/" to the end of your sentence after the punctuation like so./Zzoram said:
It's not used widely enough however.
Which other gaming companies had real time competitions in the same way that Valve did that had the community talking about it every day? If that happened, I'd wager those companies garnered some good will out of that.faceless007 said:
If I were to guess, I would say it was several orders of magnitude bigger. This is not something either of can know though, so it's a pointless argument.szaromir said:
The company's gain is irrelevant in a discussion about the end users gain. One does not cancel out the other. You keep arguing as if it does.szaromir said:
Nappuccino
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confused said:
I guess? But why would a company who has previously worked with Valve suddenly screw up everything with one of their biggest releases and "forcing" Valve to remove it due to a conflict of agreement? Why would it take so long for that conflict to be realized?
They should have known better if that really is the case.
Nappuccino said:
You say "they should have known better" without knowing what it is that caused the removal of the game. It could just as well be that knowing better is what kept them from complying with this new rule.
Whatever the details are, it does seem like EA isn't kidding about this being a recent development on Valve's end, if D2D's Facebook page is accurate.
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Wallach said:
I'm just surprised that, if it is a recent development, that more games didn't suddenly go missing.
And no, I don't know the terms that were a part of the conflict, but Crytek (or hell, even EA) should have known because they were the ones making the deal with Valve/steam.
Metal Gear?!
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That site has never worked for me for any of my games that don't register on Origin/EADM - Crysis, Crysis Warhead, Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Mercenaries 2, etc.LovingSteam said:
Haha Bulletstorm was never supposed to give you an EADM key since it uses GFWL. That's some customer service.kamspy said:
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szaromir said:
Ask a better question then. There are good reasons why people are willing to give a pass to battle.net and zero of them apply to EA.
I mean, this is what it comes down to, ultimately. "If your standard is X for one company, it needs to be X for every company, no exceptions!" is a downright nonsensical argument. Different companies are different; they have different corporate cultures, different histories, different policies, etc. There are plenty of people participating in these conversations who aren't zealots or single-store-uber-alles types but who nonetheless have certain thresholds and standards they hold any potential DD store to, such that the better options (Steam, GOG) or the relatively proven options with exclusive benefits (battle.net) make the cut but the also-rans do not.
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Also, since it's so fundamental to the discussion that it's deeply problematic to let it escape notice, Origin isn't a competitor for Steam and that's a huge part of the problem. If EA were launching a new PC gaming store/service, selling titles from a vast array of publishers all integrated into a new unique network system, and as part of that they were making some of their own titles exclusive like Valve does, you'd see more openness to the idea -- it'd be accepting the paradigm that people are comfortable with and competing within it. Instead, what we're seeing is EA making their own walled garden -- not to replace or compete with Steam, but just to lock off their own software behind their own wall in pursuit of a few dollars more.
The end result of the former is, maybe, that we have 5 or 6 or 7 Steam competitors instead of 3 or 4. The potential result of the latter is that the current golden age of PC DD shopping (where someone can buy a wealth of titles from a wide range of publishers, store them in a small number of accounts, and access them forever from wherever they want) comes crashing down as all the major publishers create their own crappy storefronts in order to keep "control" of their "product." EA isn't engaging in a productive form of competition; they're engaging, quite willfully, in a destructive one.
Nappuccino said:
According to the D2D Facebook page, more games are going missing:
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Brink and Hunted aren't even EA titles, they're Bethesda's.
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Wallach said:
Wait, Steam has been selling battlefield three?
Also that seems like some kind of regional conflict (and those are allways sketchy and weird) considering brink/hunted/etc are still up on the american store.
Like I said before, I don't see how free games are a negative or a plus, all these services like Steam, Origin, GOG, D2D and the rest need to do is take our money securely, take fraud seriously and handle customer complaints with respect. That's it. They don't need to give away free games or not give away free games, have a friends list or not have a friends list, just take our money in a fair manner. Their responsibilities are pretty much that of a retail store.
The only new wrinkle in that analogy is Sears can't stop me from playing something I bought a year ago because I bad mouthed them once in the store or claimed someone stole my credit card and purchased shit without my authorization, that's where these companies all fail. There needs to be some clearer consumer rights regarding this particular issue.
The only new wrinkle in that analogy is Sears can't stop me from playing something I bought a year ago because I bad mouthed them once in the store or claimed someone stole my credit card and purchased shit without my authorization, that's where these companies all fail. There needs to be some clearer consumer rights regarding this particular issue.
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FuKuy said:
To be clear, you do mean the UK steam store, right?
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confused said:
Yes. Especially if they were initially going to go completely exclusive and saw the negative feedback before they removed the games from the other stores.
Sure, this is all conjecture, but so too is everything else in this thread.
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confused said:
And this is Valve, savior of PC games and wonderful people all around.
They wouldn't let a little bit of conflict agreement cause a game to be taken away from their lovely steam clients.
--I'm just not comfortable laying the blame on anyone until we get more information on his matter.
Captain Fish
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EA has reaped huge sales boosts by having discount weeks on steam more often than anyone else. They've probably just realized that they need to encourage that in their own infrastructure where they don't need to split the profits.
It seems weird to blame Valve for taking down Crysis 2. There were unknown deals that violated the terms that made it possible for the game to be on Steam in the first place. With all the goofy stuff that was pulled with DA2, I'm not surprised that there's some infringement. I doubt we'll ever find out the particulars of the rule breaking, but Valve can't let stuff like that happen. The minute they allow infringements, they set a precedent that allows other companies to do the same things.
For all you saying "If EA wanted those games off of their service, they'd do it," surely the contracts that allow games to be sold on steam have some sort of binding nature. Valve is making money off these games, there must be large fees associated with removing them without cause.
It seems weird to blame Valve for taking down Crysis 2. There were unknown deals that violated the terms that made it possible for the game to be on Steam in the first place. With all the goofy stuff that was pulled with DA2, I'm not surprised that there's some infringement. I doubt we'll ever find out the particulars of the rule breaking, but Valve can't let stuff like that happen. The minute they allow infringements, they set a precedent that allows other companies to do the same things.
For all you saying "If EA wanted those games off of their service, they'd do it," surely the contracts that allow games to be sold on steam have some sort of binding nature. Valve is making money off these games, there must be large fees associated with removing them without cause.
Diatribe1974
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Dear EA,
If your games aren't on Steam, I don't pay attention to them.
Period.
I don't buy them from anywhere else, not even the physical copies from my local Gamestop or whatnot. There's lots of folks like me these days & those numbers are growing. Best be making nice with ValVe, or you're shooting yourself in the foot.
XoXoX,
D.
PS: You're still douchebags, regardless.
If your games aren't on Steam, I don't pay attention to them.
Period.
I don't buy them from anywhere else, not even the physical copies from my local Gamestop or whatnot. There's lots of folks like me these days & those numbers are growing. Best be making nice with ValVe, or you're shooting yourself in the foot.
XoXoX,
D.
PS: You're still douchebags, regardless.
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