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[Fox Mulder]

Not really

They need to transition to software only a lot better than sega did.

They have a massive library of retro titles, a lot of great franchises which they can utilize.

The problem with hardware is it is turning into an OS/platform war. We are going towards DD and cloud... Microsoft and Sony likely have a huge head start in that regard. A loooooot of money to be made there in the future.

They should look at becoming a publishing giant to rival activision and EA and hit the ground running. Considering the market for casual titles has been kinda cored out, Nintendo will fit perfectly in the other ecosystems.

Sooner they drop, the better off they will be. Get reduced royalty rates, get dedicated stage time at both E3 conferences and then make a fuckton of titles to further build up their war chest. Certainly don't want to bow out the way Sega did. They still haven't recovered.

I think third party Nintendo would lose the incentive to release the kinds of unique games they do. Sega went from a console manufacturer with a unique, innovative, and varied lineup meant to push hardware to the shit shovers they are now. Nintendo has a bunch of big franchises like Mario and Zelda, but there's also smaller stuff like Sin and Punishment 2 and Rhythm Heaven Fever that would probably get lost in a third party Nintendo. They've already let a franchise like FZero get dusty because of all their other stuff they've been doing.

Nintendo is the one company in the business that can support a niche console at a good price by themselves, they just haven't done a great job with the WiiU.

 

[Nekofrog]

Uhm... are we sure this is just Nintendo's fault?

I mean... how many Wii U owners bought the excellent latest Need for Speed? One of the few games actually optimized for the console?

Yes. This is 100% unequivocally Nintendo's fault. They failed to foster 3rd party support and honestly they didn't give a shit going in if third parties were on board or not. They're going to care pretty soon though.

 

[hammster]

I'll believe it when I see it.

You'll believe what when you see what?

 

[megabytecr]

Enough for EA to say "thank you, goodnight!"

Really? Really? Really? No I mean REALLY?

Those games where set to die the moment they release them late, REALLY? what did they expect?

If I was EA I would have save those 2 for the next year, cannot expect miracles with late games and with some type handicap.

 

[PhantomR]

This is Reggie's turf. Not that I disagree but I feel it is more his responsibility.

WHAT? Did you really say this with a straight face?


The only thing I'm going to give you on this is the marketing of the system in NA. Yes, that one goes on Moffitt (which ultimately goes on Reggie). But the rest? Please explain.

 

[Jake Tower]

Yes. Nintendo is barely supporting their own system. Why would they expect any other publisher to?

Exactly. The thread title could be "Nintendo has no games in development for Wii U" and it would be plausible.

 

[hammster]

Yes. This is 100% unequivocally Nintendo's fault. They failed to foster 3rd party support and honestly they didn't give a shit going in if third parties were on board or not. They're going to care pretty soon though.

Ubisoft don't seem to mind.

 

[hammster]

Exactly. The thread title could be "Nintendo has no games in development for Wii U" and it would be plausible.

Come on now.
They're coming and you know they are.
Would you rather they be late or shit?

 

[Twenty7KVN]

Videogame journalist need to do some good old fashion investigative journalism and find out what happened between these two.

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

So which Nintendo fan on this forum is insane enough to spin this into something positive.

Let's find out on the next page.

Ok. This will be a stretch, but I think we can do this.

Disney doesn't like having a platform, especially one they think will draw the kid audience, not getting Star Wars games. Too much money being left on the table.

Since EA isn't using it, they give the Wii U Star Wars license to Nintendo.

We get Rogue Squadron 4 and Motion Plus Jedi Knight.

Most likely not going to happen, though.

Nintendo really, really need to do some work to sell consoles now that the biggest third party isn't even releasing games on the platform

Last I checked, Activision was still making Wii U games.

 

[pargonta]

holy s**t that thread title. we come to it at last? after decades... man... i'm sad now.

 

[orioto]

It's ok,it will eventually make Nintendo realize this third party race is not good for them.

They cannot run every race with half a car. They have to choose.
People buy Nintendo console for Nintendo games, it 's ok, not that there is anything wrong with that, let's assume it once and for all.

Nintendo can continue to relate to his loyal fans, and look for new markets.
They can strengthen their presence with kids, and SHOULD do it on the smartphone front.

As for the other part of the gaming market, they'll find it back when they release something relevant and game changing as was the analog stick, and develop their games as global video game advancement and not only gifts for fans.

 

[Margalis]

No. I bought it to play Nintendo first party and play some quality 3rd party games. As I was promised. Where are they.

So fuck of with the drama queen comment.

1. Bashes Wii U for a year straight.
2. Buys one anyway.
3. Unhappy with purchasing decision.

Performance art?

 

[Can Crusher]

No Fifa? Really?

Damn.

 

[cyberheater]

Ubisoft don't seem to mind.

They minded enough for Rayman to not be a WiiU exclusive and to delay it on that platform.

 

[Shiggy]

Ubisoft don't seem to mind.

They obviously do. Look at Rayman Legends. Also, wait a month until evaluating future 3rd party support.

 

[cyberheater]

1. Bashes Wii U for a year straight.
2. Buys one anyway.
3. Unhappy with purchasing decision.

Performance art?

I didn't so much bash WiiU. I mearly stated that performance wise. Is was going to be on par with PS360. A statement that I got a severe backlash from a lot of Nintendo fanboys but has ultimately turned out to correct.

For the record. I think the actual machine is pretty good. And I love the gamepad. I'd love to play more games on it.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

God I am sick of this. There is not a magic power threshold beyond which a system becomes "next gen"

Yah well wherever that threshold is, the Wii U is certainly well below it.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

They minded enough for Rayman to not be a WiiU exclusive and to delay it on that platform.

They obviously do. Look at Rayman Legends. Also, wait a month until evaluating future 3rd party support.

Rayman legends delay and lost of exclusivity is not as bad as releasing Mass Effect 3 for one system then releasing the trilogy for the other systems a month later.

 

[mantidor]

What I love about these threads is how there are some people who think: a) EA made this decision today, and b) Nintendo only found out know, through the interview.

1. Bashes Wii U for a year straight.
2. Buys one anyway.
3. Unhappy with purchasing decision.

Performance art?

I admit I lol

People need to calm down, we are even again at the absurd third party discussion already, this are bad news but its not going to kill the console.

Extrangely we also have a direct tomorrow, could this be because of these news?

 

[hammster]

They minded enough for Rayman to not be a WiiU exclusive and to delay it on that platform.

They obviously do. Look at Rayman Legends. Also, wait a month until evaluating future 3rd party support.

That was sales motivated. Not motivated by Nintendo's relationship with third parties.
The former is a valid complaint. I'm struggling to get on board with Nintendo being at fault with the latter this time around.

 

[Calamari41]

Ok. This will be a stretch, but I think we can do this.

Disney doesn't like having a platform, especially one they think will draw the kid audience, not getting Star Wars games. Too much money being left on the table.

Since EA isn't using it, they give the Wii U Star Wars license to Nintendo.

We get Rogue Squadron 4 and Motion Plus Jedi Knight.

Most likely not going to happen, though.

This actually raises a good point. Why couldn't Nintendo get the Star Wars license? Yes, I know that they won't, and would never try, but there's no reason they couldn't be a part of these types of deals.

 

[KillerMan91]

Neither of these have anything to do with it. Vita is performing horribly and PS2/PSP are still getting versions of the game. This is clearly a rift between the two companies.

Because FIFA actually sells on these platforms? Developing countries are buying PS2 and PSP versions (Not to mention they are probably dirt cheap to develop) and as horribly as Vita has sold in Europe FIFA is one of those rare games that actually saw decent sales on it.

 

[GregLombardi]

Lol Mega Fail Nintendo. Mega fail.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Videogame journalist need to do some good old fashion investigative journalism and find out what happened between these two.

Videogame journalism drowned at birth in a vat of Mountain Dew, and buried under a ton of Doritos.

 

[GamerSoul]

Hmmm...speaking of their parties, maybe the reason Nintendo chose not to have a traditional conference this year was because they basically had only their own lineup to share which can be simply done through Directs and smaller showcases.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

That was sales motivated. Not motivated by Nintendo's relationship with third parties.
The former is a valid complaint. I'm struggling to get on board with Nintendo being at fault with the latter this time around.

They put out a subpar platform that no one wants. It's no mystery. If there was money in it for 3rd parties the "relationships" would be just fine.

This stuff isn't like grade school where your best friends change on a dime.

 

[RoombaDance]

You'd expect 2K sports would be pretty pleased with this news. They just got an uncontested platform.

Maybe the rumors of Take Two games coming to the system aren't so far-fetched.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

Because FIFA actually sells on these platforms? Developing countries are buying PS2 and PSP versions (Not to mention they are probably dirt cheap to develop) and as horribly as Vita has sold in Europe FIFA is one of those rare games that actually saw decent sales on it.

Europe love themselves some Fifa and Sony.

 

[Goodacre0081]

this is horrible news for WiiU. in equally horrible news EA is developing games for Xbox, PS3 and PC.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So what can I get for a WiiU with about 6 hours of wear on it.

 

[PhantomR]

Yes. Nintendo is barely supporting their own system. Why would they expect any other publisher to?

Like Ubisoft, Warner Bros, Activision, Capcom, Tecmo Koei, and Namco?


This an EA issue, not a Ubisoft issue or a WB issue. Yes, Nintendo is going to want to start to get sales of the system in high gear this holiday season to make sure they can shore up this support in addition to the indie games that are coming, that's not in question.


But as far as this is concerned? It's strictly an EA issue. Their games just have never sold on Nintendo systems outside of Tiger Woods. That's the bottom line. Ubisoft announcing that Just Dance 5 isn't coming, or Sega announcing that there will be no more Mario and Sonic games would be a disaster...those games sell VERY well on Nintendo systems. FIFA? Not so much.


I have some ideas on how this could change for EA's and Nintendo's benefit, but this will consolidate dev resources for EA and have pretty much zero impact for Nintendo. You always want more people to develop on your platform, but in terms of business impact to Nintendo? Minimal.

 

[Refreshment.01]

They're still mad about Origin?

Some guys swear by this, present it as undeniable fact even.

Edit: Will be kind of cool seen Nintendo yet again put a console in the black just by themselves. I wish they could learn is possible to have everything thought.

 

[hammster]

They put out a subpar platform that no one wants. It's no mystery. If there was money in it for 3rd parties the "relationships" would be just fine.

This stuff isn't like grade school where your best friends change on a dime.

This is the post I was replying to originally:

Yes. This is 100% unequivocally Nintendo's fault. They failed to foster 3rd party support and honestly they didn't give a shit going in if third parties were on board or not. They're going to care pretty soon though.

I think I broadly agree with you (although I love the Wii U as a system).
Sales is the current issue. But I do also think there has been a breakdown in EA/Nintendos relationship.

 

[Mileena]

Need For Speed: Most Wanted is shit!?

Excuses!

Yea, it really is a bad racing game. It's not a bad open world cars drift and jump and do other stuff game though!

 

[The Albatross]

Dreamcast 2. . . .

Worse than the Dreamcast... Dreamcast had some momentum, as far as I can tell, Wii U has never had any momentum.

 

[theviolenthero]

Videogame journalist need to do some good old fashion investigative journalism and find out what happened between these two.

Visit the thread below to find out why they & pretty much every 3rd party have abandoned the system:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=558656

 

[SmokyDave]

So what can I get for a WiiU with about 6 hours of wear on it.

Sympathy.

 

[soulassssns]

Nintendo, what a mess.

EA is garbage anyway.

 

[xxracerxx]

EA is garbage anyway.

But aren't they one of the largest third party developers? Why would you not want them making stuff for your console?

 

[Bitmap Frogs]

Grilling? Would you like us to tie EA's PR people to a chair and not let them go until they tell us what happened?.

Real journos don't just phone PR and consider their job done.

 

[maniac-kun]

What if Nintendo stops the Console hardware business? Sony is not in a good shape neither...

 

[AnimaOnline]

I don't understand. Did anyone honestly buy their Wii U to play EA games? EA's support means a lot business-wise, I understand that, but for gamers they really don't offer much of value these days. Mirror's Edge 2 I'd be interested in but that's honestly about it. Support from Capcom, Nintendo, Ubisoft and even Square Enix are what gamers should be focused on.

 

[DopeyFish]

I think third party Nintendo would lose the incentive to release the kinds of unique games they do. Sega went from a console manufacturer with a unique, innovative, and varied lineup meant to push hardware to the shit shovers they are now. Nintendo has a bunch of big franchises like Mario and Zelda, but there's also smaller stuff like Sin and Punishment 2 and Rhythm Heaven Fever that would probably get lost in a third party Nintendo. They've already let a franchise like FZero get dusty because of all their other stuff they've been doing.

Nintendo is the one company in the business that can support a niche console at a good price by themselves, they just haven't done a great job with the WiiU.

They wouldn't exactly lose the incentive. Sega went to near bankruptcy before pulling out and that hurt their prospects going forward.

They didn't have great IPs, either.

They had a bunch of quality titles but nothing outstanding outside of sonic.

Nintendo has mario, metroid, zelda, star fox. Those are all on the same level as sonic. That's outside of all the other titles they make. Like punch out, smash brothers, mario kart, pikmin, etc

Sega also hasn't had the ability to make fantastic games, primarily due to cash flow. Nintendo does. Sega has been slow to capitalize the small amount of legacy titles they have.

They can essentially come out swinging and really try to establish some other quality IPs to go along with their already powerful core of titles.

In a crowded marketplace, the quality titles will always rise to the top.

 

[Game Guru]

Yeah, I guess part of the problem as well is that according to Nintendo they actually sold each Wii U at a slight loss, so pricing maneuvering is going to be a little tough as well. They're in a really tight spot.

I agree with pretty much everything you said regarding the variables that will impact the future.

I think the problem is really with that tablet controller. The Wii sold on the simplicity of motion controls, so why did they dump that for this complicated tablet thing for the Wii U? In addition, things like smartphones, tablets, and the friggen 3DS and Vita can do what the Wii U's tablet controller does.

I mean if Super Smash Bros. appears on both the 3DS and the Wii U, I might as well get a 3DS over the Wii U if I'm going to be having to hold this tablet controller thing to play games on the Wii U. I'd also be able to buy DS games I missed because of me not caring about handhelds in general. I only really bought a Wii for Mario Kart, SSB, and the Virtual Console.

 

[Twenty7KVN]

Videogame journalism drowned at birth in a vat of Mountain Dew, and buried under a ton of Doritos.

Yea why am i trying to kid myself,we are still going to get the same soft ass questions at e3 because no one wants to ruin the chance for that precious review exclusive.

 

[royalan]

Ummm....NOW can they fire Iwata?

Seriously, we know what happened to the last console EA shunned.

People can shit on EA's quality all the want, but facts are facts, and if you want a successful console you get EA's support.

NCL is so up its own ass right now it's insane. And there's really no fairer way to describe it at this point.

 

[TheDrowningMan]

Some guys swear by this, present it as undeniable fact even.

Something caused a rift, and it wasn't post-launch sales. Ask around, perhaps you'll be more successful than me in finding out exactly what it was.

 

[Courage]

Oh wow.

EA does everything for everything. Them and Ubi are the biggest flooders of the market today. For them to not have ANYTHING in development for a platform is saying a lot and none of it good.

I'm pretty sure this isn't true anymore. They're picky with releases nowadays.

 

[DSN2K]

terrible news for Nintendo Fans/WiiU owners...cant see how anyone can brush this aside..WiiU is in serious trouble if the biggest 3rd Party Developer/Publisher doesn't feel the need to develop for it.