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[StevieP]

How many times are you going to repeat this? Again: EA does have other metrics at its hands than NPD numbers, they can assess risk based on plenty of other indicators.

Apparently ClovingWestbrook didn't read that, based on that sentence. So I repeated it.

In this world. Still doesn't mean the Wii was all that exciting a console.

I found it more exciting in 2005/6 based solely on the risk-proposition of motion controls (which have now will be adopted across every console/handheld), in contrast to the "better graphics better online" proposition on the other side which I always get with my PC anyway, even if I did end up purchasing multiple consoles in the end. Microsoft, I believe, has some interesting experiments in the works that may be a more risky proposition than the Wiimote was. With that said, this entire generation has been a lambasting of the Wii from almost every "major" gaming "journalism" site, developers, and the poo-non-gamer cry of many "hardcore" all over the internets have echoed for 6 years now. There was very little praising of that console (in the gaming world at least).

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

All I can say is great, EA only makes shit titles.

Ahahahah, this is so sad.

 

[netBuff]

I found it more exciting in 2005/6 based solely on the risk-proposition of motion controls (which have now will be adopted across every console/handheld), in contrast to the "better graphics better online" proposition on the other side which I always get with my PC anyway, even if I did end up purchasing multiple consoles in the end. Microsoft, I believe, has some interesting experiments in the works that may be a more risky proposition than the Wiimote was. With that said, this entire generation has been a lambasting of the Wii from almost every "major" gaming "journalism" site, developers, and the poo-non-gamer cry of many "hardcore" all over the internets have echoed for 6 years now. There was very little praising of that console (in the gaming world at least).

Nintendo received praise for their sales success: That motion controls aren't all that exciting to many traditional gamers (myself included) is hardly surprising. I don't consider the Wii a great console, but still see that Nintendo enjoyed phenomenal success with the system.

 

[Kafel]

Dreamcast'd

 

[Margalis]

Nintendo received praise for their sales success...

From you and Cloving? Examples?

I don't consider the Wii a great console, but still see that Nintendo enjoyed phenomenal success with the system.

This is not praise, this is recognizing an undeniable fact while attempting to minimize it.

 

[PdotMichael]

They're still mad about Origin?

If it really just about Origin then is Nintedo for sure the stupidest console company since Sega.

 

[wsippel]

If it really just about Origin then is Nintedo for sure the stupidest console company since Sega.

If the Origin story was true, going with the initial plan would have been even more stupid.

 

[SmokyDave]

I don't buy the whole 'well, the Wii-U versions were rubbish'. EA always has a rubbish first round on every new platform and yet the games still sell. In addition, it seems like very little 3rd party software is selling well on Wii-U regardless of quality or publisher.

Edit: I also don't buy the 'Origin on Wii-U' meme and I suspect it'll become the next bannable phrase à la 'ban waves & RROD sell 360 hardware'

 

[PopeReal]

Dreamcast'd

Won't happen. Sega was coming off of ditching the Saturn early and pissing off fans. The PS2 came soon after Dreamcast and that was that.

Nintendo can survive this. They survived the Virtual Boy. They will have another home console. What it will look like and how they will approach it is anybody's guess. But they will keep going.

Also, if you were just referring to EA not supporting Wii U just like the Dreamcast, then carry on and ignore me, haha. I don't expect EA back with Nintendo anytime soon so you are right if that is the case.

Bums me out that there will be no Star Wars on Wii U, but I have a 360 if those games turn out awesome, and I am sure at some point I will have a PS4 or XBox whatever it is going to be called.

EDIT: And Nintendo also survived the massively popular PS1 and PS2 and kept going. They have proven to lose generations while still making some money and great games.

 

[gofreak]

I don't buy the whole 'well, the Wii-U versions were rubbish'. EA always has a rubbish first round on every new platform and yet the games still sell.

Indeed. It is typically the case that inherent platform advantages and low-hanging-fruit exploited on the new platform compensate for launch-title-itis (e.g. better network advantages and the relative low hanging fruit of graphics/animation/physics etc). Early adopters value the almost 'freebie' advantages the new platform allows even rushed launch games.

Wii U's low hanging enhancements over previous gen - the gamepad features - seem not to compensate, seem not to excite even the early adopters. And that speaks as much for the platform's weaknesses as anything EA did or didn't do.

 

[Prine]

Thats it i guess, if EA aren't supporting them I expect other large 3rd parties to ignore them also.

 

[JoeM86]

Thats it i guess, if EA aren't supporting them I expect other large 3rd parties to ignore them also.

Except they are supporting the Wii U, so no.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Thats it i guess, if EA aren't supporting them I expect other large 3rd parties to ignore them also.

If Ghosts isn't coming to the Wii U then things are going to be pretty bad going forward. But we'll find out if that's the case next week once its unveiled at the MS conference.

 

[pieatorium]

Except they are supporting the Wii U, so no.

Japanese pubs aren't

 

[JoeM86]

If Ghosts isn't coming to the Wii U then things are going to be pretty bad going forward. But we'll find out if that's the case next week once its unveiled at the MS conference.

Ghosts is coming to the Wii U though

 

[netBuff]

Ghosts is coming to the Wii U though

We'll know in a few days.

 

[troushers]

Wii U's low hanging enhancements over previous gen - the gamepad features - seem not to compensate, seem not to excite even the early adopters. And that speaks as much for the platform's weaknesses as anything EA did or didn't do.

I don't know what threads you are reading. Wii U owners continually praise both Miiverse and Off TV play.

I don't know how some of you have patience in these threads. The same factually obtuse points are re-iterated time and time again - that EA pulled support based on sales, that Nintendo can somehow simultaeously fail to advertise to; and yet be rejected by consumers, that the gamepad should be dropped, or that it is old technology, or that a full price 3rd act in a trilogy should outsell a budget triple pack on established platforms.

Wii U will pick up when Nintendo release their big software. All this poor start has proved is that, just with the 3DS' launch, 3rd party software cannot carry a system.

 

[Card Boy]

Except they are supporting the Wii U, so no.

But for how long? We have already heard that publishers have being canceling many Wii U projects at the D.I.C.E. summit.

 

[Ashler]

I'm really intrigued on the content that Nintendo will present during their E3 Nintendo Directs. If they're going to focus only on their 1st party games, it's not going to be pretty, no matter how good they are.

The WiiU right now looks more and more like an ecosystem isolated from the rest of the gaming world. That pic of the WiiU outside in the rain is pretty much dead on.

 

[JoeM86]

I'm really intrigued on the content that Nintendo will present during their E3 Nintendo Directs. If they're going to focus only on their 1st party games, it's not going to be pretty, no matter how good they are.

The WiiU right now looks more and more like an ecosystem isolated from the rest of the gaming world. That pic of the WiiU outside in the rain is pretty much dead on.

Why wouldn't they focus on their first party games and games they're publishing? Surely it's up to the third parties to showcase their products

 

[SolidSnakex]

Ghosts is coming to the Wii U though

That isn't confirmed at the moment. Activision was asked about it and they said that they aren't commenting on the next-gen versions right now. We'll have to wait until the MS conference to find out exactly what's going on.

 

[PdotMichael]

Why wouldn't they focus on their first party games and games they're publishing? Surely it's up to the third parties to showcase their products

And people are surprised why Microsoft and Sony get all the third party support.

 

[gofreak]

I don't know what threads you are reading. Wii U owners continually praise both Miiverse and Off TV play.

My point is that with all the complaints about certain third party games, I can only assume gamepad related enhancements aren't outweighing those complaints, and aren't compelling people to buy these games regardless of other shortcomings.

In other next-gen launches, people have bought Madden games, for example, in reasonable numbers, even when the new versions lacked certain features because the easy wins afforded developers on the platform were compelling enough to them.

Nintendo's platform doesn't seem to have given developers as much scope for easy wins over last gen games that could compensate for "launch-title-itis". Gamepad gameplay and/or off-tv modes doesn't seem to be doing it.

 

[troushers]

My point is that with all the complaints about certain third party games, I can only assume gamepad related enhancements aren't outweighing those complaints, and aren't compelling people to buy these games regardless of other shortcomings.

In other next-gen launches, people have bought Madden games, for example, in reasonable numbers, even when the new versions lacked certain features because the easy wins afforded developers on the platform were compelling enough to them.

Nintendo's platform doesn't seem to have given developers as much scope for easy wins over last gen games that could compensate for "launch-title-itis". Gamepad gameplay and/or off-tv modes doesn't seem to be doing it.

So which madden level franchise has, in your opinion, failed to sell?

 

[zoukka]

E3 time better be hype for Nintendo or it's gamecube time.

Not that I as a gamer would complain for another gamecube!

 

[JoeM86]

And people are surprised why Microsoft and Sony get all the third party support.

Because, compared to Nintendo, MS and Sony don't have much first party content, though they are building up

 

[pieatorium]

So which madden level franchise has, in your opinion, failed to sell?

Madden, Assassins Creed,Fifa and Call of Duty

 

[gofreak]

So which madden level franchise has, in your opinion, failed to sell?

Well, didn't Madden itself on Wii U basically sell terribly compared to - say - Madden '06 on 360?

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Smart business decision on EA's part.

So true. Wii U is going to survive on Nintendo games only and even then, it's probably barely going to survive. No EA games in development on the 7th calendar month following release? That smells like a sinking ship, Nintedo better have some big guns come Q4, because I see this system struggling to reach the Gamecube's heights. I really don't think another barrage of Mario games is going to save the system.

As a life-long Nintendo fan, I can't say that I'm disappointed. The company has had this coming for a while.

Edit: to the people that are saying this is going to be another GameCube: it's going to struggle to be one. That system at least had decent third party support compared to what Wii U is seeing now.

 

[ecosse_011172]

Because, compared to Nintendo, MS and Sony don't have much first party content, though they are building up

Sony, yes but MS?

 

[Card Boy]

Because, compared to Nintendo, MS and Sony don't have much first party content, though they are building up

Sony has about the same first parties as Nintendo (if not more), its just the masses including myself don't find it all that appealing.

Point is MS and Sony make their systems enticing for 3rd party developers to develop on and tech isn't the only contributing factor.

 

[wildfire]

LAUGHING
MY
FUCKING
ASS
OFF

A victim? Nintendo is a victim of their own incompetence with regards to Wii U. They have not created an appealing product for consumers and have not created an appealing environment for developers and publishers. They don't deserve anyone's support and I don't blame anyone for cutting support to a system that is selling as historically bad as Wii U. I'd do the same thing in their shoes. If I were a publisher, why in the fuck would I greenlight a Wii U game? We're 6 months in and Nintendo has released what exactly? 2 launch games? Shit else?

I love this tactic. Take a comment out of context(underlined), tear it down and then repeat what that person said (bolded) and pretend you are the one to have said it. *rolls eyes*

His comment was that EA's behavior makes Nintendo more of the victim since they have acted like an enemy from day 1. That means for any other publisher they are victim's to Nintendo's incompetence.

A smarter response you should've made is that if EA is an enemy then they have their reasons which are unknown. Without knowing the circumstances for that it's not fair to say Nintendo is the victim.

Releasing 5 days after is kind of a big deal when you are going against the massive PS360 install base.

I know this obviously wasn't Activision fault that the Wii U released after COD.

No it's not a big deal that it launched 5 days later. Are you actually going to sit there and say after how Nintendo and the HD twins diversified themselves that the majority of people who brought a WiiU own an HD twin?

Yes it is true that the average household owns 2 consoles per household but that is recently. We have gone through a bunch of consoles and a second console could be from the PS2 era for all we know and if it was from the last one I doubt you think 360/ps3 owners would pick up a WiiU.

CoD is the biggest FPS franchise. It should've been one of the most anticipated titles for WiiU buyers to shore up their library with.

 

[Zwei]

Wii don't have any games for U. Please understand.

why did I have to laugh at this?

 

[SmokyDave]

Sony, yes but MS?

Did Peter Moore get inked for nothing?!

In fact, was it ever confirmed whether the GTA tattoo was a real tattoo? I'd like to think it was, but I doubt it.

Wait, I misread the post you were replying to. Damned NPDs robbed my sleep

 

[metalslimer]

If Nintendo wanted to have day and date versions they should have released Wii U earlier. Wii U should have been released in October to have Assassin's Creed 3 day and date. Poor planning but I guess we can see why when it takes them this long to finish Pikmin 3.

 

[AniHawk]

Did Peter Moore get inked for nothing?!

In fact, was it ever confirmed whether the GTA tattoo was a real tattoo? I'd like to think it was, but I doubt it.

it was, but peter moore clones only live a few months.

 

[Margalis]

My point is that with all the complaints about certain third party games, I can only assume gamepad related enhancements aren't outweighing those complaints, and aren't compelling people to buy these games regardless of other shortcomings.

No roster updates in a sports game is a pretty massive shortcoming.

 

[Daedardus]

E3 time better be hype for Nintendo or it's gamecube time.

Actually, the N64 and the Wii also mostly relied on first-party titles.

And as long as Nintendo can still make that tiny profit to continue making games, I don't care. I'm a consumer, I only care for the product in my hands, not the money in the pockets of shareholders.

 

[metalslimer]

Actually, the N64 and the Wii also mostly relied on first-party titles.

And as long as Nintendo can still make that tiny profit to continue making games, I don't care. I'm a consumer, I only care for the product in my hands, not the money in the pockets of shareholders.

Nintendo is publicly traded. They won't continue to make games the same way barely eeking out a profit.

 

[SmokyDave]

it was, but peter moore clones only live a few months.

Ah, man. I was told they all went to live on a farm

 

[Daedardus]

Nintendo is publicly traded. They won't continue to make games the same way barely eeking out a profit.

Well, if those shares continue to drop, they better do a buy back and say fuck you to those shareholders, investors and analysts.

 

[maniac-kun]

E3 time better be hype for Nintendo or it's gamecube time.

Not that I as a gamer would complain for another gamecube!

I am sure they generate a lot of hype with no press conference! Wait... oh!

 

[Daedardus]

I am sure they generate a lot of hype with no press conference! Wait... oh!

Their July 2012 Direct surely was a lot better than their E3 Conference

 

[metalslimer]

I think we should have sensed something was up when Nintendo kept stalling talking about Wii U post E3 last year. All the times I said Nintendo just is being secretive when they had nothing to show.

 

[maniac-kun]

Their July 2012 Direct surely was a lot better than their E3 Conference

With a Nintendo direct you reach people.. who watch Nintendo direct. Not the mainstream press which they need to sell more Wii Us.

 

[JoeM86]

With a Nintendo direct you reach people.. who watch Nintendo direct. Not the mainstream press which they need to sell more Wii Us.

Mainstream press have started to take on news from Nintendo Directs. I saw multiple news items regarding A Link to the Past 2 last month

 

[Mithos]

Edit: I also don't buy the 'Origin on Wii-U' meme and I suspect it'll become the next bannable phrase à la 'ban waves & RROD sell 360 hardware'

Hope that they also add a variant of this on the same bannable meme list.

"You only bought/buy a Nintendo console to play Nintendo games, why complain about not getting 3rd party games."


NO I didn't buy a Nintendo console to only play Nintendo games, I bought a Nintendo console so I could play 3rd party AND first party games on the same console.

 

[Bill Rizer]

Well, at least people won't be distracted by EA's showelware on the shelfs and will buy what deserves to be bought i.e. Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, etc. and will have a happy experience with WiiU.

 

[Prine]

Except they are supporting the Wii U, so no.

Theres is no vote of confidence from them - regardless of their official stance. I cant see this looking good for 3rd parties deciding to invest when one the largest publishers is having cold feet.

 

[JoeM86]

Theres is no vote of confidence from them - regardless of their official stance. I cant see this looking good for 3rd parties deciding to invest when one the largest publishers is having cold feet.

People in the industry have known EA's stance with the Wii U since early to mid 2012. Just because EA publically say it now makes no difference