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EA no longer has interest in 3D Gaming
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ArachosiA 78
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TheMissingLink said:
Huh, I could have sworn I enjoyed 3D gaming...guess I was mistaken!
HD doesn't add anything to games gameplay-wise, yet here we are, a large part of GAF bitching about every game that's even a pixel away from HD and glorifying the PC master race, one of the reasons being PC can achieve 1080p resolution for all games where PS360 can't.CoffeeJanitor said:
And "never does"? Isn't this the first time we have even half-decent 3D technology, not just some red & green glasses.
childplease
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The Faceless Master said:
BF3 on steam ?
Stereo 3D hate from people who can't perceive depth is like having color hate from colorblind people. As much as it sucks that those people can't perceive what we do, technology shouldn't be held back for their sake. There should be no doubt among anyone that being able to perceive an additional dimension is absolutely a step forward in providing immersive entertainment. It is, in very real ways, a leap comparable to the introduction of color and audio to film.
Of course, the tech is nowhere near as user-friendly right now as it could be. The need for glasses is undoubtedly a hurdle, but so are issues associated to focus points, accomodation, depth of field, etc. which lead to headaches and discomfort in many users. Those are real concerns, but they only highlight that the tech needs to get better, not be killed off. When 3D works, it works really well (I found the Motorstorm 3D Rift demo particularly awesome). I have little doubt that this will be standard entertainment in 10 years, but any company that supports it now gets a thumbs up in my book.
Of course, the tech is nowhere near as user-friendly right now as it could be. The need for glasses is undoubtedly a hurdle, but so are issues associated to focus points, accomodation, depth of field, etc. which lead to headaches and discomfort in many users. Those are real concerns, but they only highlight that the tech needs to get better, not be killed off. When 3D works, it works really well (I found the Motorstorm 3D Rift demo particularly awesome). I have little doubt that this will be standard entertainment in 10 years, but any company that supports it now gets a thumbs up in my book.
outunderthestars
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BurntPork said:
Arguing with you is pointless. Every thread you do the same thing: Say something absurd, then constantly change the matter at hand.
First it was that they didn't support the games, then it was that they weren't worth buying, then it was that they aren't system sellers.
50 games, with multiple titles selling over a million copies each is substantial support, even by your absurd logic.
FieryBalrog
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Sinoox said:
3D actively detracts from my experience, whether its games or movies or anything.
CorkyFromLifeGoesOn
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EA give it one more shot. Make a 3D game for the Evo3D. Stereoscopic games are almost non-existent on the platform(I don't count those garbage gameloft 3D games)
Rocket Punch
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3D is great when used in moderation and in a good way. 3D at home on an HDTV is still too cost prohibitive. At the movies? Sure why not. But only for certain types of movies. On a handheld? Definitely. If the game uses the tech wisely it can make for a great augmented game experience.
Every time I hear people bitch and moan about 3D makes me wonder if there's something wrong with their eyes that makes their experience unpleasant or offensive. Zelda Oot in 3D is wonderful and so is Pilotwings. Hell even Steel Divers benefits greatly from the 3D effects. Get your eyes checked peeps.
Every time I hear people bitch and moan about 3D makes me wonder if there's something wrong with their eyes that makes their experience unpleasant or offensive. Zelda Oot in 3D is wonderful and so is Pilotwings. Hell even Steel Divers benefits greatly from the 3D effects. Get your eyes checked peeps.
It's too early to say it's happening again. There were plenty of opposers for HDTVs 5-6 years ago when PS360 first launched and now they are selling like hot cakes. The tech was still kinda early, some HDTVs were pure shit, the better HDTVs were super-expensive and other than Xbox 360, PS3 & PC, there was no other content for it (TV stations hadn't started showing any HD content, Blu-ray & HD-DVD were still in their early stages and the DVD-crowd couldn't give a shit about them).Derrick01 said:
We already know the big TV manufacturers are coming up with glassless 3DTVs in the near-ish future and even the tech we have today is much better than what we had just some time ago (even with the glasses, the more recent 3DTVs are much better than the old ones) and prices are dropping. There's no saying that in 5-6 years 3DTVs couldn't be in roughly the same position as HDTVs are now, or at least gaining support fast.
FieryBalrog
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Perhaps our eyes are just normal human eyesRocket Punch said:
I haven't played OoT, but I did play Pilotwings at Best Buy for 20 minutes. I couldn't take the 3D for more than 5, it was obnoxious.
Fine. 3DS lost a major supporter and this will severely impact it. (Even though they haven't actually lost the support, most of their games are shit, and 50 games over seven years from the biggest third-party publisher isn't exactly great support in the first place.)outunderthestars said:
Rocket Punch
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FieryBalrog said:
I have better than 20-20 vision. I don't think it's my eyes that are wacked. I honestly feel sorry for people that can't appreciate the technology. Not once did I experience headaches or any discomfort.
JakkuFurosu
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FieryBalrog said:
Pilotwings was also known to have absurd 3d strength. I still cant take it on higher then like 10% where as i can max every other game out
Zomba13
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Neither does HD or better graphics yet everyone seems to love them for the same reasons I like 3D. It makes things look better and makes things more immersive.CoffeeJanitor said:
Also it can help with gameplay in a way. 3D (as in depth) platformers are a bit easier to play as you can gauge jumps and whatnot better thanks to actual depth perception. Not a big thing (not in the ways motion or touchscreens can improve gameplay) but it can help in somecases and be nice. Not saying it's needed or is a huge step up in things and that platforming/gauging depth without it is bad or anything.
FieryBalrog
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Rocket Punch said:
Maybe God just gave you superhuman divine eyes. Like I said, maybe we just have normal human eyes.
Rocket Punch said:
Yea its hard to function with this handicap
Famassu said:
Definitely agree. This whole notion that current 3D tech is in any way comparable to the 3D tech of the 50s and 60s t is complete bull. Prior 3D was almost always anaglyph-based, and about as comparable to today's 3D as cave drawings are to digital photography. Full-color full-resolution 3D's biggest hurdles to mass-market adoption are the prejudices of their audience, far moreso than the tech hurdles that will undoubtedly be overcome. As a recent stereo 3D TV adopter, I can attest to the fact that the technology is advancing rapidly and provides an immersive and satisfying experience, even if it's not entirely perfect. It's one thing to believe current stereo 3D still doesn't fulfill its full potential. It's another to believe the tech is without merits.
Hugh Buelow
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Do Nintendo force developers to implement 3D in their games? If not, then EA can just continue releasing their games on the 3DS... without 3D.
JakkuFurosu
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No.Hugh Buelow said:
IrrelevantNotch
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Ocaso said:
Honestly, I don't think the people in this thread are incapable of seeing 3d.
Zomba13
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I like you. You seem smartOcaso said:
With the 3DS i'm pretty sure there is almost no work that goes into making things 3D (apart from making the depth on some objects right. like text/hud elements) as it just takes the 3D game and makes it 3D. In a similar way that my 3D vision makes 10+ year old PC games full 3D with no problems (or even Gamecube/Wii games).Hugh Buelow said:
Rocket Punch
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FieryBalrog said:
Then you'll just have to trust me when I say that 3D gaming is GLORIOUS .
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I hope I didn't give you a headache
CoffeeJanitor
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HD is something that the market was willing to upgrade to. It was the next obvious step.Famassu said:
3D? Not so much. I completely agree with the post on the previous page about people not wanting to upgrade their just bought HDTVs.
HD doesn't give people headaches. HD doesn't make the image quality seem worse. HD is just a nicer looking picture.
I just don't think people want 3D.
Bomber Bob
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3D sucks
FieryBalrog
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Ocaso said:
Yea, we can't perceive depth (even in the real world). Whenever I go to pick up a glass of water my hand misses it by a mile!! Actually this is because all of us complaining about it have only one eye.
Ocaso said:
It certainly isn't right now. Maybe when it stops looking like a tawdry holographic effect that massively detracts from the crispness of the image.
Personally I have noticed only a minor difference in the 3D used in movies today and the old gimmicky 3D used in movies and theme parks 10 years ago. The tech may be improved, but it's pretty much the same shit when it comes to the experience itself.
can't wait to get a 3D T.V. and play all my games again..that support the feature.
3D Gaming + 7.1 loss-less sound + (don't kill me) Motion gaming.....man, it should be surreal. can't wait to try it out.
maybe just getting that Sony Headset might be the way to go....but GOD knows when that thing is coming out.
3D Gaming + 7.1 loss-less sound + (don't kill me) Motion gaming.....man, it should be surreal. can't wait to try it out.
maybe just getting that Sony Headset might be the way to go....but GOD knows when that thing is coming out.
The 3d-slider is there for a reason, you know. And as already said, Pilotwings has one of the strongest 3D-effects. Something like OoT3D isn't nearly as strong but it does look quite pleasant.FieryBalrog said:
But they base most if not all of their experience in maybe seeing a few half-assed 3D movies (you know, some non-animation movie where they just added 3D support in a month before release) or base it on 3DS's somewhat early tech, which has some problems (mostly the narrow viewing-angle), ignoring the point that 3D in gaming can actually be good, especially once the tech gets there (both in the form of better 3DTVs as well as more powerful hardware being able to run games in 3D better), there already being some gaming experiences that have well made 3D (Super Stardust HD 3D, I don't see how anyone who's seen it could deny that).IrrelevantNotch said:
Or maybe different people have different reactions to 3D and there's no normal? You know, the whole reason the 3DS has a slider?FieryBalrog said:Maybe God just gave you superhuman divine eyes. Like I said, maybe we just have normal human eyes.
Yea its hard to function with this handicap
EDIT: Beaten.
GenericUser
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Imo, 3D gaming is a market that doesnt exist and like EA says, online games , social games, hell - even standard dudebro shooters are much more promising investments.
FieryBalrog
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Zomba13 said:
I'm talking about with the 3D on. The holographic effect pretty obviously detracts from the sharpness of the image, that's the whole point of it in fact.
BurntPork said:
Uh yeah, the guy I was responding to claimed "something was wrong with their eyes" for the people who dislike 3D. Hence "maybe its OUR eyes that are normal". Yes, obviously people have different reactions, exactly, correctamundo, I agree, etc.
Sammy Samusu
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I don't know, I think this is more about PS3 than 3DS, lol.
Rocket Punch
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3D is not a game genre. It's only an asset that can be applied as the developer sees fit into any game they want.sponk said:
FieryBalrog said:
At least some of the people on this thread are disparaging stereo 3D after admitting they can't perceive it. Of course, even people with one eye can perceive depth indirectly through elements like occlusion and parallax. In their case, 3D hate is unfounded, as they really can't (or at least shouldn't) hate what they can't perceive or even fully understand.
For those who have fully functioning binocular vision, the 3D hate is more nuanced, but not necessarily more rational. As much as it makes sense to dislike the need for glasses, people should understand that this is just a necessary stopgap before autostereoscopic 3D fully takes over. Even then the tech will still have a ways to go before it's as comfortable as today's 2D images, but I have no doubt it will be. Headaches and eye strain will disappear as content providers gain a greater understanding of how to provide entertainment to wider audiences. You can choose to enjoy what you can now or wait until the tech is more mature. To write it off as a transient fad, however, is to subscribe to a nearsighted view of display technology.
I love how people assume everyone that dislikes or is against 3D can't see it or has headaches.
Some people just don't feel it's worthwhile/good/interesting.
I love the 3D in Avatar and Resident Evil Afterlife. BUT... Even if every 3D game and movie were on that level, I still wouldn't want 3D to be widespread.
Some people just don't feel it's worthwhile/good/interesting.
I love the 3D in Avatar and Resident Evil Afterlife. BUT... Even if every 3D game and movie were on that level, I still wouldn't want 3D to be widespread.
GenericUser
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but they are currently treating it like a genre. You dont talk about which genre it is, you often only know that its a "3D Game". When 3D Gaming first (or again) appeared years ago i was all like "didnt we already all agreed that it sucks?". I know there are these new shutter technologies and stuff, but really - i have yet to meet a single person that cares about 3D gaming.
Sony/Nintendo are trying to create new sources of income here where there really i little to no demand on the (game)market. My opinion.
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ajf009 said:
Those monsters.
Yep.Sammy Samusu said:
Also, 3D on the 3DS is amazing. OoT on full 3D blew my mind. Without it, everything seems so dull. One of the biggest advancements in gaming for me.
On the other hand, it's more of a novelty on the PS3. A lot more crosstalk and a much dimmer image. Games also revert to lower resolutions in 3D mode, which is a big detractor for me. It's okay for movies though and will only be viable for long term gaming once we have glassless 3D with greater viewing angles.
edit: As others have said, the issue is that it works for some without issues, but not for others. I can play on full for hours with no eye strains while my cousin struggles after a couple of minutes. Though I have read some whose eyes adjusted after a couple hours playing on 3D.
FieryBalrog
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Ocaso said:
It can be perfectly rational. It detracts from the image and often causes eyestrain, headaches, etc. And, it doesn't currently add anything I care about.
I'm perfectly happy with companies continuing to research and improve 3D, but I'm going to criticize it until it stops being bad.
Frankfurt said:
The number of people who complain about the glasses, headaches, eye strain, etc. is not insignificant. People like yourself are a more difficult group to understand. It's like saying that color isn't worthwhile/good/interesting compared to black and white. If every single shot coming out of my TV could look like a window into the place it was portraying rather than a flat representation of that place I would be ecstatic and could hardly find a reason to complain about it. Of course, one can argue in favor of black and white in some specific instances and I have no doubt 2D will have some similarly specific applications even when stereo 3D becomes the predominant format for displays, but 3D still has the benefit of an added dimension. Assuming the kinks are ironed out, how is that not an advantage?
FieryBalrog said:
Headaches and eyestrain are nothing more than current technological limitations, and hardly universal. I sympathize if you experience such things, but complaining that they detract from the experience is like saying the inaccurate flesh tones and undersaturated colors of early color films detract from their presentation compared to the easy-on-the-eyes black and white films that preceded them. Such complaints highlight areas in need of improvement, not Achilles' heels that justify abandoning support for the tech.
Non-animated 3D movies ARE shit, or they don't really change the experience one way or the other that much. That's why it's so ridiculous when so many base their negative opinion about 3D gaming in half-assed 3D movies, when they are a world apart from each other. Even the worst 3D game I've seen looked much better in 3D than some above average 3D movie.FieryBalrog said:
3d-CGI is a whole different deal. 3D just WORKS better with CGI, whether that be Tangled 3D (the lantern scene was breathtaking in 3D) or Super Stardust HD 3D. It's not a game-changer, but like already said many times, the best 3D CAN make the experience more immersive and the added depth IS a nice advancement in technology. I think it can be cool in 3DS games how it can seem like looking through a window into the game's world, even though I wished the resolution of the screen was much better & it had a wider viewing-angle. But that's just problems with early technology. They need to start with something and 3DS & glasses-using 3DTVs, at their best, are good enough to start bringing the tech into gaming, IMO.
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