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[Luckyman]

Riccitiello is insane if he thinks Dead Space is the right game for Wii. Maybe they put it out half the price.

 

[Hwang Seong-Gyeong]

really.. Why is it a shame.. people just dont like the games they put out.. and they dont like the price.. let the market decide

Because it's a shame when one of the most innovative and beautiful games like Mirror's Edge bombs, and annual rehash trash and shovelware sells.

 

[velvet_nitemare]

really.. Why is it a shame.. people just dont like the games they put out.. and they dont like the price.. let the market decide

I thought they were good games, but the market at large didn't feel that way. I can respect that. Porting stuff like Dead space helps. I just hope if they decide to make a sequel, they build it ground up on the HD systems, not the other way around.

 

[Dascu]

Riccitiello is insane if he thinks Dead Space is the right game for Wii. Maybe they put it out half the price.

RE4Wii: 1.5 million sales. That's a lot of potential customers for a game like Dead Space.

 

[Flying_Phoenix]

I do a lot of 2D and 3D animation and I generally prefer to do 3D animation much more. In this day and age there are a lot of tools which can help the animator do their job and do it much easier than before - the real trouble, as you've pointed out, is the modelling, texturing, character rigging etc. and that stuff can take a VERY long time to do, especially now when the most minute of details need to be carefully considered and no clipping issues occur. The more of this preperation work that is done the better it is for the animator, so his job's difficulty curve is directly proportional to the difficulty curve of all the other artists.

It's true as you said that as technology has progressed the need for more and greater art assets, including animation, becomes a burden on games companies. However, I think the real issue is, there simply aren't that many people who are top quality animators in the industry. It's a complicated, time-consuming artform and most 3D artists are much more interested in doing the scenery and character modelling and texturing. This has been the case for many years though, so it's not exactly a problem that has risen in recent years or anything.

Very much agreed. People really do serverly under-rate the skill and task it is to create 3D models nowadays. Yes as you've said there are tools for both 3D and 2D animation that significantly aid the process. However tools can only go so far. And as you said the majority want to work with texturing and modeling, most 3D animators probably are more keen to go the way of Hollywood (I.E. Wetaworkshops).

 

[soldat7]

Riccitiello is insane if he thinks Dead Space is the right game for Wii. Maybe they put it out half the price.

Sure the game won't look or sound nearly as good as on PS3/360, but as long as it's not a port, I'll take Dead Space wherever I can get it. There are a lot of cool things they could do with it on the Wii. Heck, I'd buy it for DS if I could. It's a great new franchise.

 

[Jammy]

RE4Wii: 1.5 million sales. That's a lot of potential customers for a game like Dead Space.

Even more telling is stuff like the 45 million userbase and the 6-7 million that bought Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc.

There's a ton of core gamers that own a Wii and want these types of games. Don't tell me that each and every one of those 45 million are casual gamers or non-gamers.

 

[Confidence Man]

Even more telling is stuff like the 45 million userbase and the 6-7 million that bought Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc.

There's a ton of core gamers that own a Wii and want these types of games. Don't tell me that each and every one of those 45 million are casual gamers or non-gamers.

They're Nintendo gamers.

 

[soldat7]

Even more telling is stuff like the 45 million userbase and the 6-7 million that bought Zelda: Twilight Princess, etc.

There's a ton of core gamers that own a Wii and want these types of games. Don't tell me that each and every one of those 45 million are casual gamers or non-gamers.

Well, Dead Space didn't exactly light up the sales charts on the PS3/360. I don't really expect it to on Wii either, but for the sake of the franchise, I hope it does.

 

[Regulus Tera]

They're Nintendo gamers.

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition has sold 1.5 million copies despite having been released for GCN, PS2, PC and mobile phones before.

 

[Aaron Strife]

They're Nintendo gamers.

Back to the "Nintendo vs. third party" argument...?

 

[Confidence Man]

Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition has sold a 1.5 million copies despite having been released for GCN, PS2, PC and mobile phones before.

RE4 is a game near and dear to the Nintendo gamer's heart. While not a Nintendo game, being a big name exclusive (for a time) it became like an adopted child, and the Nintendo gamer treats it like his own.

Dead Space will be an unwanted stepchild.

 

[cws]

Where is my BurnOut Wii EA ?

 

[Vinci]

Back to the "Nintendo vs. third party" argument...?

Well yeah, everybody knows nobody can compete with Nintendo. Even if they're on a completely different system.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Back to the "Nintendo vs. third party" argument...?

Someone post the chart.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

Where is my BurnOut Wii EA ?

Hell, Burnout 3+Revenge + Tilt Steering = Insta-Buy.

 

[cws]

Hell, Burnout 3+Revenge + Tilt Steering = Insta-Buy.

Yeah, they already got the engine there - would be a easy cash-in for them....

 

[Bluemercury]

Good news....

 

[Sadist]

Where is my BurnOut Wii EA ?

Somehow, I expect Need for Speed Nitro being that game.

 

[Bluemercury]

Where is my BurnOut Wii EA ?

They're probably going to fire criterion boss first to that to happen i think....

 

[Kenka]

RE4 is a game near and dear to the Nintendo gamer's heart. While not a Nintendo game, being a big name exclusive (for a time) it became like an adopted child, and the Nintendo gamer treats it like his own.

Dead Space will be an unwanted stepchild.

This is an interesting point of view. I assume De Blob 2, Boogie 3 and hell, all the "All-Play" EA salad will sell better ?

 

[AlphaTwo00]

They're probably going to fire criterion boss first to that to happen i think....

If that was the roadblock, Burnout Legends DS and Dominator would have never existed.

 

[Bluemercury]

If that was the roadblock, Burnout Legends DS and Dominator would have never existed.

They had nothing to do with criterion i think....

 

[Eteric Rice]

You know, the reason so many people buy Nintendo's games rather than other companies games on the Wii is probably because they have a better chance at getting a good game if they go with Nintendo.

I mean, few other companies haven't been up to task when it comes to making good, fun games on the system.

I think people are scared of buying from most third party companies, as you're just more likely to get fucked over. Nintendo is usually just a safe bet.

This is the third parties fault, though. If they had made good games early on, the sales would probably be even better.

(excuse the spelling errors, I'm sick as a dog right now)

 

[cws]

They're probably going to fire criterion boss first to that to happen i think....

why ? does he hates nintendo ?

 

[BishopLamont]

They're Nintendo gamers.

RE4 is a game near and dear to the Nintendo gamer's heart. While not a Nintendo game, being a big name exclusive (for a time) it became like an adopted child, and the Nintendo gamer treats it like his own.

Dead Space will be an unwanted stepchild.

God you're a moron.

 

[AstroLad]

You know, the reason so many people buy Nintendo's games rather than other companies games on the Wii is probably because they have a better chance at getting a good game if they go with Nintendo.

I mean, few other companies haven't been up to task when it comes to making good, fun games on the system.

I think people are scared of buying from most third party companies, as you're just more likely to get fucked over. Nintendo is usually just a safe bet.

This is the third parties fault, though. If they had made good games early on, the sales would probably be even better.

(excuse the spelling errors, I'm sick as a dog right now)

The problem is that the Nintendo Seal of Quality doesn't mean jack SHIT anymore and thus the Wii is just flooded with shovelware titles so people flock back to the Nintendo brand. Wii fans would tell you this is just a coincidence.

 

[donny2112]

Someone post the chart.

Somewhere around 70% of Wii's 20+ million in software in Dec-08 for the U.S. was third-parties. That is more than the total software sold on either the 360 or PS3 and pretty dang close to beating them combined. Just third-party, on Wii, almost > PS3+360 1st+3rd party in Dec-08 in the U.S.

 

[AlphaTwo00]

They had nothing to do with criterion i think....

That's my point. EA owns the license to it. And Dominator reused assets from the prior games.

 

[cws]

The problem is that the Nintendo Seal of Quality doesn't mean jack SHIT anymore and thus the Wii is just flooded with shovelware titles so people flock back to the Nintendo brand. Wii fans would tell you this is just a coincidence.

It never meant shit.

 

[Sadist]

Explain to me why Dead Space is an unwanted stepchild. Just curious.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

70% of them will have "Party" in the title somewhere.

Dead Space Party!

 

[Christine]

It never meant shit.

Hail to the KING baby.

 

[Shin Johnpv]

Tell me about it. It's shocking how so many games still have really terrible animation despite the advances in shading, polygon modelling, texturing etc. - every single time I look at Too Human in motion I feel wretched inside.

Personally I blame it on how many studios rely on motion capture. You look at the places that use a lot of hand keyed animation, like Valve, and their stuff is just head and shoulders above the average studio using mocap.

God, I wish they would stop doing that shit. I miss the old Final Fantasy, where it was cute, charming, and sometimes witty.

Truth. FFIV is still the best FF game ever. I miss the days when that shit had some humor and light heartedness. Same reason I can't stand the GTA series any more, I loved it when it was funny, and didn't take itself seriously. As soon as it tried to be the video game version of Scarface it just lost me.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

Dead Space will be an unwanted stepchild.

I own a 360, but I don't want to buy Dead Space for it. I don't like playing FPS on dual analog, it just doesn't work well for me. I sit at work hunched over a keyboard and mouse for 8 hours a day, so I've pretty much given up PC gaming - it feels too much like work anymore. I'm looking forward to Dead Space for the Wii. I'm looking forward to the Conduit for the Wii. I'm looking forward to playing first person shooters on the Wii, now that the developers have had a chance to really get accustomed to how to build the controls.

I'll be watching both of them with the expectation that I'll be buying them. I'm a gaming enthusiast and I'm really looking forward to having some good FPS experiences on the Wii.

 

[birdchili]

if ea is serious about making dead space properly, it needs to be put together in a way that makes owners of the hd version a bit jealous. *if* they do that, dead space wii will still sell fewer copies than the hd version. all that said - they *still* should do it. *someone* other than nintendo is going to start selling core games of quality on wii, and companies that don't step up to build their brands there are going to be hurt in the long run.

 

[Vinci]

Truth. FFIV is still the best FF game ever. I miss the days when that shit had some humor and light heartedness.

Only FF games I can truly enjoy anymore are on the DS or have Crystal Chronicles in the title. Hell, that Crystal Bearers trailer with the crazy music excited me more than a single trailer of XIII. [I'm still buying XIII's OST though. The music is nice and I'm a FF OST whore.]

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Somewhere around 70% of Wii's 20+ million in software in Dec-08 for the U.S. was third-parties. That is more than the total software sold on either the 360 or PS3 and pretty dang close to beating them combined. Just third-party, on Wii, almost > PS3+360 1st+3rd party in Dec-08 in the U.S.

That'll do.

 

[Grampa Simpson]

The problem is that the Nintendo Seal of Quality doesn't mean jack SHIT anymore and thus the Wii is just flooded with shovelware titles so people flock back to the Nintendo brand. Wii fans would tell you this is just a coincidence.

The Seal of Quality hasn't meant nearly as much since the SNES. During the NES days, it meant only a few things:

1) As far as could be determined, the game was free of any Class A bugs.
2) It was officially licensed by Nintendo.
3) That Nintendo was artificially limiting the number of titles that the publisher could put out in any given year. I believe that during the NES days this was 6. This was there specifically to combat the type of problems that had caused the great crash of '83.
4) The game was relatively free of sex, religion, and graphic violence.

1 & 2 are still in place. #3 went away at some point during the Playstation years (I think) - Sony didn't care how many games a publisher put out in a year and Nintendo had to remove the limitation to compete, and #4 went away with the ESRB.

I think that they dropped the Quality part of the seal when the dropped #3. Given the mounds of shovelware, I wouldn't have any sort of problem with Nintendo re-implementing #3. I think though that they will likely avoid that unless they end up in a more monopoly level domination of the gaming industry.

 

[AndrewG009]

Dead Space Party!

Show me multiplayer with "strategic dismemberment" and I will indeed refer to that as a party.

 

[bdouble]

RE4 is a game near and dear to the Nintendo gamer's heart. While not a Nintendo game, being a big name exclusive (for a time) it became like an adopted child, and the Nintendo gamer treats it like his own.

Dead Space will be an unwanted stepchild.

Wii games only sell because we are emotionally attached to them confirmed. :lol
Sony gamers treat FF like its their own. Same with MH. Same with DQ. Guess what they all became adopted as well Things change in this industry and developers find success in places gamers never believed could be possible.

You know, the reason so many people buy Nintendo's games rather than other companies games on the Wii is probably because they have a better chance at getting a good game if they go with Nintendo.

Shit of course that is true. People want quality. Reason why so many people buy from Blizzard and Valve religiously as well. If Nintendo made games on any other system I think the same thing would happen. I think people would buy their games way before considering others.

 

[The Blue Jihad]

Show me multiplayer with "strategic dismemberment" and I will indeed refer to that as a party.

Ultimate hardcore on the Wii.

1. Opponent running away.
2. Cut off their legs.
3. ???
4. Win.

 

[JKBii]

Because it's moving the entire industry back (or keeping it back) one generation and most western developers worth a damn just don't want to work on the thing.

Boo fucking hoo.

PC gamers say the same thing about console games and PC developer tried to stick it out for as long as they could before they jumped off that sinking ship and made some money with consoles.

Before FPS fanatics who claim they can only play with the best graphics and control (as they play a console mind you), there were fighting game fanatics, and arcade shooter fanatics before them.

Gaming is moving on. You can either accept that or bitch about it.

 

[Steroyd]

And look at all the developers closing up, sacking staff. Their arrogance and ignorance of the Wii has bit them in the ass.

That's more to do with the global recession than not developing for the Wii.

 

[Link]

why ? does he hates nintendo ?

Seemingly with the fire of a thousand suns.


EDIT -

That's more to do with the global recession than not developing for the Wii.

The industry grew last year. It had to do with sinking tons of money into expensive development costs for consoles that aren't selling nearly as well as the PS2 did.

 

[Jocchan]

Somewhere around 70% of Wii's 20+ million in software in Dec-08 for the U.S. was third-parties. That is more than the total software sold on either the 360 or PS3 and pretty dang close to beating them combined. Just third-party, on Wii, almost > PS3+360 1st+3rd party in Dec-08 in the U.S.

That'll do.

We all know he won't read these words, and in a few pages he (or someone else) will be blabbering the same nonsense.
There's plenty of reasons to bash the Wii and Wii owners, but if someone keeps using the "3rd parties/traditional games don't sell" argument in 2009 he simply doesn't care about being informed.

 

[Vinci]

That's more to do with the global recession than not developing for the Wii.

It's a combination of that. When you start hearing about how little these companies actually make - as in profit - off of these games, that's terrible. That's not just recession screwing you, that's you screwing yourself.

It's like when I hear about a basketball game and people say, "[Their team] only lost because of a bad call, nothing they could do." My response: "Only way you can lose because of that is due to you putting yourself in the position to lose in the first place." Key is, you make good, economic decisions. You don't put all your eggs in one basket, cut down your ROI to such a miniscule level, and then whine when the economy goes south. You can't necessarily plan for the end times, but there's no sense in flirting with disaster at the same time.

 

[AlternativeUlster]

All of you motherfuckers are babies, instead of fighting we should all be wanting another fucking Road Rash because I want to punch some motherfucker while I am riding a goddamned motorcycle. It was great on the Genesis, it was great on the motherfucking 3DO, it will be fucking awesome on any god damn system because you get to punch some motherfucker while riding a goddamned motorcycle. I am disappointed in every single one of you assholes right now.

 

[Vinci]

All of you motherfuckers are babies, instead of fighting we should all be wanting another fucking Road Rash because I want to punch some motherfucker while I am riding a goddamned motorcycle. It was great on the Genesis, it was great on the motherfucking 3DO, it will be fucking awesome on any god damn system because you get to punch some motherfucker while riding a goddamned motorcycle. I am disappointed in every single one of you assholes right now.

Um ... I'd like one too.

 

[toxk_02]

Somewhere around 70% of Wii's 20+ million in software in Dec-08 for the U.S. was third-parties. That is more than the total software sold on either the 360 or PS3 and pretty dang close to beating them combined. Just third-party, on Wii, almost > PS3+360 1st+3rd party in Dec-08 in the U.S.

I would like to see this chart/link. Just out of curiosity.