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EA: "We don't have a problem with second-hand sales as they are today"

MS came to publishers with the drm stuff
I know this was said, but honestly I can see it more like this:


Microsoft: 'We'd like to meet up to discuss adding DRM to prevent loaning and renting'

EA: 'Sure, we could consider something like that'.

Microsoft: 'Great! Where and when?'

EA: 'We're standing outside your office door, how about now?'
 
Where's a backpeddling gif when you need it.

*activision, EA , ubisoft and perhaps some japanese publishers sit in a room with microsoft and sony

Publishers " hey so uh, for your next consoles is there anyway to build in PC style DRM , like right into the console itself ? make it so peoples games have to sign into their online account first sort of thing"

Microsoft " well, actually we do have something like that going on but we were going to leave it up to you guys to ... "

Sony ".. excuse me, excuse me, just interrupting... it seems we have a patent on something like this "

Publishers look over patent " oh yes this is fantastic, so we just sell people discs like always but only 1 account can activate the game license now .. hahah this should kill off those pesky used games sales or at least allow us some control over them "

MS " yeah I suppose that would, obviously we'll have to come up with something a bit more draconian... a bit more old school microsoft like how about our customers have to sign in online all the time to keep playing their games so we'll always know if anything has been tampered with and shut it down asap ? "

Publishers " oh... OOOH yeah we love that , stop piracy and used games ? we'll make a shit ton of extra cash now "

Sony " yeah well, we have this patent so you guys can go ahead and use it if you want , for now we'll stay the course but let you guys decide what to do with your own games "
*sony leaves*

Publishers " okay so seriously MS , how about you take a hardline stance , we'll give you a bunch of exclusive content in all of the multiplatform releases and it won't even cost extra like on the 360 , how does that sound ? "

MS " hrmmm well we've already got at least 10 million idiots who will buy this thing just to play call of duty and it would save us a bundle .. hell we could even use it on our own games, make it mandatory across the board"

Publishers " oh and well you're at it , get rid of that indy game bullshit , people might realize that anyone can make a fun game for a few bucks and stop buying our yearly roster updates and dudemcshoot games "

MS " well... we did foster a fair bit of that community but yeah what did they ever do for us ? we won't kill 'em off but how about it's mandatory to use an established publisher to release anything on our system ? "

Publishers " yeesss.. YESSSSS this is perfect. so other then the DRM thing, there's nothign about the xbox one that consumers may not enjoy right ? we want this to be a sure thing if we bet the farm ... after all "

MS " well we did build it as a fancy PVR and we think cable companies will help subsidize cost so we can probably sell it for 299 with xbox live and a digital tv deal with a local provider, so far no one is biting but it will happen eventually "

Publishers " hrmm... well, if things go south we'll still give you guys 12 months for sure, how does that sound ? I mean if that plan goes well we could all be rolling in it for years here"

MS " exactly, so gentlemen, until next year then "

MS and Publishers raise glasses of orphan blood and toast to diabolical planning

~~~ months later , after E3 pressers ~~~~

Sony " so yeah, it turns out consumers aren't as retarded as you publishers think, all we had to do to win their favor was NOT sound like complete assholes , looking at you there MS"

MS " man fuck you guys, the cable companies weren't convinced they should pay for half our systems cost and we built the damn thing to use Kinect so we had to charge 499 $ "

Publishers " hrmm.. yeah I think maybe we'll stick with that 12 month plan... for now in the meantime we wash our hands of all this DRM nonsense "

MS " but you guys were the ones that wanted it all in the first place ! "

Publishers " actually the story we're going with is that you forced it upon us and that's what we'll run with now , public relations and all that "

Sony " hey guys, so you can still do that shit if you want but it's pretty clear from over here that our customers have no intention of supporting publishers who won't let them own their purchases for the time being "

Publishers " yeah... well you guys are coming in cheaper and easier to develop for without a failed tv partnership to screw things up either... "

MS " oh COME ON (said in a Gob bluth voice) "

~~~~

yeah ... basically I think everyone should buy a wii U this fall, a PS4 next spring / fall and possibly in 2015 MS will change their policies and have a much lower price point so that maybe you can feel not terrible about buying one then. Too bad the old games will still cost 70 bucks though....
 
Polygon

The narrative I've heard is that EA lobbied hard to have the hardware companies come up with a solution so you guys are not faffing around with online passes and you're not losing potential used game profits to retailers.

Moore: "Absolutely incorrect. As the guy who is the chief operating officer of Electronic Arts I can tell you that EA did not aggressively lobby for the platform holders to put some gating function in there to allow or disallow used games. I am on record as being a proponent of used games. I like the ecosystem. I like the fact that it's kept pricing at a good level for eight years. I like the fact that someone can buy a physical game and see some equity in that game. That keeps GameStop vibrant and they are a great launch and marketing partner for us.

"EA has never had a conversation, and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."
 
Say what you will about how legit they are being. This is a very good thing.

I wonder if they're going to back pedal on the online pass or just push digital.
 
Polygon

The narrative I've heard is that EA lobbied hard to have the hardware companies come up with a solution so you guys are not faffing around with online passes and you're not losing potential used game profits to retailers.

Moore: "Absolutely incorrect. As the guy who is the chief operating officer of Electronic Arts I can tell you that EA did not aggressively lobby for the platform holders to put some gating function in there to allow or disallow used games. I am on record as being a proponent of used games. I like the ecosystem. I like the fact that it's kept pricing at a good level for eight years. I like the fact that someone can buy a physical game and see some equity in that game. That keeps GameStop vibrant and they are a great launch and marketing partner for us.

"EA has never had a conversation, and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."

I don't believe him, but who is going to prove it either way anyways.
 
Well i'm trying to translate Peter Moores words from corporate speak into english, and it seems pretty straight forward.

I'm not sure why the word "aggressively" needs to be in there though. Did they lobby for it, but not aggressively?
 
That's great, EA. Now put your money where your mouth is and tell Microsoft they can get rid of all those bullshit restrictions and online requirements.
 
Polygon

The narrative I've heard is that EA lobbied hard to have the hardware companies come up with a solution so you guys are not faffing around with online passes and you're not losing potential used game profits to retailers.

Moore: "Absolutely incorrect. As the guy who is the chief operating officer of Electronic Arts I can tell you that EA did not aggressively lobby for the platform holders to put some gating function in there to allow or disallow used games. I am on record as being a proponent of used games. I like the ecosystem. I like the fact that it's kept pricing at a good level for eight years. I like the fact that someone can buy a physical game and see some equity in that game. That keeps GameStop vibrant and they are a great launch and marketing partner for us.

"EA has never had a conversation, and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."

You dont need to have that conversation. But microsoft is going to take note of the constant, endless bitching, about lost sales and used sales and act in a manner to please the publishers.

Hell, one of the main reasons for dlc was to stop people trading in their games.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Microsoft got the message and did the deed, and now you are suprised...
 
everyone can't wait to blame each other for the used game shitshow. at the end of the day, Microsoft wants it, EA wants it.
 
EA packs their games with gambling mechanic microtransaction chests.
The only thing that sucks about Mass Effect 3's multiplayer mode. That shit is just so goddamn evil I have a really tough time playing it even avoiding the microtransactions entirely.
 
Fuck EA and Microsoft. EA hasn't got a penny from me in years, they have done little to convince me now they are worthy of my hard earned money.

As for MS, they have come a long way from the original Xbox, negatively. To hell with them too.
 
Tell you what EA. You want to prove you aren't anti consumer? You want to prove you wouldn't do something as terrible as lobbying for DRM? How about shutting down your own DRM machine you created to do the exact same thing in Origin and sell Battlefield 4 on Steam!
 
We are probably going to hear this alot from pubs if that same reception that Sony got from fans last night translate to sales.


It was a wake up call to pubs
 
Tell you what EA. You want to prove you aren't anti consumer? You want to prove you wouldn't do something as terrible as lobbying for DRM? How about shutting down your own DRM machine you created to do the exact same thing in Origin and sell Battlefield 4 on Steam!

ABANDON ONE DRM SERVICE FOR ANOTHER DRM SERVICE.

Great fucking idea!
 
Is this the most hilarious shitstorm in videogame history or what? From the internet required double-speak, to Mattrick's you can buy a 360, and now EA jumping ship. Bwahahaha.
 
You dont need to have that conversation. But microsoft is going to take note of the constant, endless bitching, about lost sales and used sales and act in a manner to please the publishers.

Hell, one of the main reasons for dlc was to stop people trading in their games.

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Microsoft got the message and did the deed, and now you are suprised...

Yeah, right, I'm sure MS based this small, inconsequential decision about the DRM direction of their new console 'on a hunch'.

I think they're all pretty much as bad as each other, but if I had to choose who to trust it would be any of the big publishers over MS.
 
Moore: "EA has never had a conversation, and I have been present at all of them, with all of the manufacturers, saying you must put a system in place that allows us to take a piece of the action or even stop it. Absolutely incorrect."

So they never had a conversation with all of the manufacturers? Does that mean they only approached MS? :p

(Yeah, I'm kidding - somewhat - but after all the anti-used-game rhetoric from publishers and developers this gen, I find it hard to imagine that they weren't complicit to at least some extent.)
 
ABANDON ONE DRM SERVICE FOR ANOTHER DRM SERVICE.

Great fucking idea!

Abandon a completely stupid service that has brought no benefits since its launch including completely breaking Sim City that was made out of spite for something that while it acts as a DRM platform brings a ton of additional perks and is the industry standard on PC in Steam.
 
Tell you what EA. You want to prove you aren't anti consumer? You want to prove you wouldn't do something as terrible as lobbying for DRM? How about shutting down your own DRM machine you created to do the exact same thing in Origin and sell Battlefield 4 on Steam!

lol this doesn't even make sense. They're direct competitors, this is like asking Sony to make games for xbone. Besides that, they're both DRM machines. I think EA is slimey as hell getting into bed with MS before backpedaling but origin vs. steam has nothing to do with it.
 
EA is done with online passes because now they've realized they can nickle and dime online players with their API methods.
 
Yeah, right, I'm sure MS based this small, inconsequential decision about the DRM direction of their new console 'on a hunch'.

I think they're all pretty much as bad as each other, but if I had to choose who to trust it would be any of the big publishers over MS.

Im just saying Peter Moore didnt have to go to Ballmer and say 'fix used game sales!'. Because they have been moaning about it since... god knows.

Hell, I think Sony would be doing the same thing, but they saw an opportunity at the backlash and decided to ditch any and all drm on discs.

I dont think anyone expected this level of anger at microsoft decision, so microsoft is left jumping out of the plane while the publishers and sony close the door behind them and decide not to jump.
 
I have never seen a console manufacturer get shit on as much as Microsoft this week. Even their most loyal third party partner is dumping on them (though not actually dumping them).
 
Nintendo claims publishers wanted region locking on 3ds, yet 1% of ps3 games have region locking.

Just as a example of how baffling things can be, I think there is more to what we are told.
To be fair 360 also sports region locking at publisher discretion, and like 90%+ of titles employ it. PS3's an odd case as it was touted as region free and then evidently brought optional region locking late in it's cycle for one publisher in one game.
 
Anyone who thinks that publishers like EA weren't lobbying for this really need to go back and listen to Pachter over the last 24 months. I believe he has said on more than on occasion they wanted this put into place and were lobbying for it?
 
"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Microsoft got the message and did the deed, and now you are suprised...

You are aware that the king's question was a rhetorical one and he was absolutely horrified when he realized the knights had gone and murdered him on their own?
 
Everyone is back peddling hard on MS. The DRM in the X1 is too big for MS to have decided on their own that they were going to do it.
 
Anyone who thinks that publishers like EA weren't lobbying for this really need to go back and listen to Pachter over the last 24 months. I believe he has said on more than on occasion they wanted this put into place and were lobbying for it?
Its interesting that EA say they will go back look at the rules first Party lay down and do whats right for them. On ps4 all they can do is bring back online passes, but they said they wont do it. Doesn't leave them with many options does it?
 
To be fair 360 also sports region locking at publisher discretion, and like 90%+ of titles employ it. PS3's an odd case as it was touted as region free and then evidently brought optional region locking late in it's cycle for one publisher in one game.

PSP, PS3, PS Vita and now PS4 are all region free.
 
Abandon a completely stupid service that has brought no benefits since its launch including completely breaking Sim City that was made out of spite for something that while it acts as a DRM platform brings a ton of additional perks and is the industry standard on PC in Steam.

Your run-on sentence is confusing me.

Origin has brought me benefits. EA has created a competing platform to Steam to sell games, even ones developed and published by others. It is a perfectly fine platform to buy games on. It is also GOOD that EA is providing competition to Valve as it encourages both to improve their services. Why doesn't Valve stop being anti-consumer and sell their games outside of steam? Why do I need to be locked to a DRM service if I wish to play HL2 on my PC?

The issues with Sim City would've happened without Origin because they tried a new strategy. It failed, and EA said they've learned and will do better and I'm willing to give them the opportunity to prove it.

I also don't believe EA got together with Ubisoft and Activision and tried to force this DRM stuff on Sony and Microsoft. That's fucking stupid and neither of the three have enough juice to make that happen, even collectively. Where would they go? Wii U? PC? lol okay. Both Sony and MS were developing their DRM for their consoles for a long time. Sony backed off theirs when people reacted so poorly whereas Microsoft is doubling down because they have no choice as all the MS games REQUIRE their cloud services and without forcing the always-online DRM, they can't guarantee people could play their games.

It's a clusterfuck that EA is unfairly blamed for because INTERNET RUMORS AND CONSPIRACIES.

Anyone who thinks that publishers like EA weren't lobbying for this really need to go back and listen to Pachter over the last 24 months. I believe he has said on more than on occasion they wanted this put into place and were lobbying for it?

PACHTER IS WRONG ALL THE TIME.

Yet GAF had THREE insiders who have a MUCH BETTER TRACK-RECORD THAN PACHTER saying it's all Microsoft on this one. But suddenly, they aren't good enough? You're delusional.
 
Even though I think they helped make up the DRM policy I see this as a good sign. Hopefully MS will also back paddle.
 
Saw this earlier, and honestly I'd really like to believe it. I'd like to believe that, after all this time, EA is finally starting to behave a little less antagonistically towards consumers. I'd like to believe that all of this was just, the result of the same incompetence Microsoft has demonstrated nearly everywhere these past five years. Because, if I could believe it, it'd give me far greater hope and optimism for the future of this industry than I'd dare say.

Sadly, I'm just a little too cynical to simply take their word for it. They might be telling the truth, and I can certainly see Microsoft simply being THAT incompetent. Still, making that final step feels like it'd be opening myself for a sucker punch. I just cannot do that, not without EA demonstrating its change of heart, to earn a bit of good faith.
 
Has Avalanche been asked about this since E3? They were one developer who were upfront about the fact that they liked what MS was doing, yet their one game was unveiled at the conference where DRM was shot down.
That was barely an unveiling though.
 
So who are Microsoft's partners in this then?

There was no second shooter. I don't know why it's so hard to accept.
MS thought there was more money to be made with this system than they'd lose by alienating people. They were wrong, but they've been wrong about everything else. At least they're consistent.
 
You are aware that the king's question was a rhetorical one and he was absolutely horrified when he realized the knights had gone and murdered him on their own?

Or was he?

And im sure EA doesnt like anyone killing used game sales deep down. They need something to blame that doesnt involve their own mismanagement.
 
Titanfall isn't THAT exclusive, though.

Based on gaf insiders it isn't exclusive, but no one at EA seems to be commenting on even the possibility of a PS4 version down the road. Besides, I've said before a one-year exclusive might as well be an outright exclusive. Interest in the game will be minimal on the PS4 if it ever comes to the system.
 
EA are trying to improve their public image, as this interview with Frank Gibeau shows. Whether he's sincere is another matter.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22801311

He talks about the online pass issue. He also makes an unintentionally hilarious comment about the Mass Effect 3 ending. Well I think it's unintentional, he might just be trolling.
 
It's as easy as marking a new release game down $10 within launch or having Steam-like sales during holidays and summer. Open up the digital purchasing channels to Gamestop, Best Buy, Amazon, etc. Let them sell digital games for consoles off their websites. I don't know why they can't just learn and observe consumer behavior on PC. It's really that simple.

I've said it time and time again...putting up restrictions is not how to deal with this "problem." Incentivize and alternate method of game delivery and I promise these publishers they will absolutely benefit. People push back when restrictions are imposed even when those restrictions don't necessarily apply to them. You are absolutely right, they need to open up the digital download market and let competition thrive and drive down prices. The more people that move to digital the less people there will be who trade in games.
 
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