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[Loxley]

Wow, they really wanted their last issue of the decade to puch some buttons, what a shock

 

[onken]

Another month, another reason for Edge to take the lead and simply do away with scores entirely. Their reviews can stand on their own, and I think there's even a chance that the points they make might then come across here rather than being drowned out by whichever clan has been offended this particular month.

Yeah then everyone would just bitch about the score Metacritic assigned to the text.

 

[Corto]

oh and the L4D2 score is well deserved! buy that game, people.

I'll do whatever you say... You knew Bayonetta would be the next Jesus Game even before it was a glimpse on Kamiya's most erotic dreams.

 

[itsinmyveins]

You mention Evilore listing "some of the most famous and respected series in the genre," but isn't that what we're doing with the BioWare games, aren't we? Let's try your phrasing with Bioware.

It still works. Then why is there a discrepancy between action games and RPG games?

So, you're stacking one developers games up against the top games from a whole bunch of developers and you're asking why there's a discrepancy?

To be fair though, I think it somehow -- don't ask me to explain this more than I do now -- is easier to critize a WRPG. There are so many small annoyances in any given WRPG if you ask me, simply because they try to incorporate so much and a bunch of that is gonna turn out kinda crappy. It sounds unfair but it's like their large ambitions is what's keeping them back in some respects. I wouldn't want it to be any other way though.

Truth is, I don't respect the enthusiast press in general and in particular think pretty much all reviews are a joke (even mine!). Jumping into Edge threads and quoting scores can be pretty fun, though. Yes, if you're going to hate on a review you absolutely should be hating on the text instead of the score (unless they don't match up), but these threads will be what they're about. CRPGs vs action games makes for an...interesting comparison. Or just CRPGs vs CRPGs. Or the worst CRPG on the list having the highest score and the best CRPG since the PC gaming golden age having a 5 (and no, I don't mean Dragon Age). Popcorn-worthy, even.

The enthusiast press is mostly a joke, I'll agree with that, and I don't bother visiting gaming sites much at all. But on the other hand, I think EDGE's articles are so much better written than the rest that I have no problem saying that they're what other gaming magazines should aspire to be; professional about what they do. Sure, you can argue about their reviews, but most of the time they manage to communicate and motivate why they're scoring a game a certain score even if I don't agree with it. That's if you read the review, then.

 

[Castle Doctrine]

Modern Warfare 2: 9

Et tu, Edge?

 

[mclem]

I hope more than half of these games were reviewed on pc, at least lfd2 and mw2....

Er, why?

This is a bit of a philosophical question, really: Should games be reviewed on their *best* system, on their *worst*, on the *lead* system (generally the same thing), or on the system that's likely to reap the most sales? I can see each having arguments in favour of or against.

Anyhow, MW2 was reviewed on 360, LFD2 doesn't actually say, I wonder if that means they covered both 360 and PC.

 

[Neuromancer]

Et tu, Edge?

Every once in a while, Edge likes to throw a curve ball.

 

[dragonfart28]

Read and weep.

It's true. I play this game with music from the LOTR trilogy in the background and it's pretty awesome. 10/10

 

[Cosmonaut X]

Yeah then everyone would just bitch about the score Metacritic assigned to the text.

...well, Metacritic is a whole 'nother kettle of (rotten, stinking, abused-to-hell-and-back) fish...

 

[Aedile]

Didn't Edge give Persona 4 a 9? That's enough to get a pass from me, even if some of those other scores are baffling.

 

[Hari Seldon]

It's true. I play this game with music from the LOTR trilogy in the background and it's pretty awesome. 10/10

The story is far more GRRM than Tolkien imo. DA is my GotY by a huge margin.

 

[EviLore]

I think EDGE's articles are so much better written than the rest that I have no problem saying that they're what other gaming magazines should aspire to be; professional about what they do. Sure, you can argue about their reviews, but most of the time they manage to communicate and motivate why they're scoring a game a certain score even if I don't agree with it. That's if you read the review, then.

But if L4D2 is sometimes over-complicated by its glut of small innovations, then it also substantially rewards the player with its few large ideas: confusion gives way to depth and dynamism, grander thrills and starker dramas.

ryanodonnellgears2.jpg

 

[Host Samurai]

Bayanetta scoring higher than a another shitty, over hyped, MP driven generic war game really makes me happy

 

[kylej]

one less magazine to buy

As if you've ever read a copy of Edge in your life :lol

 

[Darklord]

Halo - 10/10
Halo 2 - 9/10
Halo 3 - 10/10
Halo ODST - 9/10
Gears of War - 8/10
Gears of War 2 - 9/10

So basically make a decent shoot and repeat the exact same game over and over and over and you'll always get a 9 or 10. Cool.

 

[itsinmyveins]

ryanodonnellgears2.jpg

Yeah, right.

 

[Archie]

So...
Dragon Age - 5/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10
Fallout - 7/10
The Witcher - 5/10
Arcanum - 5/10
Temple of Elemental Evil - 4/10
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6/10
Diablo 2 - 6/10

So what you're saying is that Dragon Age is in good company.

 

[Hari Seldon]

So what you're saying is that Dragon Age is in good company.

Those scores make me weep they are so bad. They really need to hire an RPG guy.

 

[AstroLad]

So what you're saying is that Dragon Age is in good company.

Yeah, I was just thinking how almost all the criticism they leveled at the Witcher they could apply to Dragon Age too. Haven't played the 360 version myself so dunno how much that played a factor. Definitely a dsfdf situation it seems.

 

[MrHicks]

Those scores make me weep they are so bad. They really need to hire an RPG guy.

Baldur's Gate 2 8/10 is pretty fair
not really an OMG WTF thing

 

[Bluemercury]

Arent people fed up of those types of games???im sure there are better games, i personally find it unappealing...

 

[Daante]

Very, very happy to see Bayonetta get so high score.

Famitsu gave it 40/40 (360) and 38/40 (PS3) - haters complains that they only gave it so high cause they want to show the world that JP developed games still are top notch?

Edge gives the game 10/10 - Haters complains about the magazines trustworthiness, or their judgment of games in general?


Any memorable quotes from the Bayonetta review in Edge?

 

[EviLore]

Yeah, right.

Sorry, make that ryanodonnellgears2.jpg photoshopped to have him wearing a beret.

 

[Beezy]

You shooter haters have gotten extremely annoying since Modern Warfare 2 came out.

:lol @ those of you who doubt Bayonetta.

 

[LCfiner]

Arent people fed up of those types of games???im sure there are better games, i personally find it unappealing...

What kind of comment is this? You could say the same thing about every single genre around if you dont personally like it.

Jeesh, it's not like there's a dozen high profile RPGs every year. The good stuff comes around once in a while.

 

[EviLore]

You shooter haters have gotten extremely annoying since Modern Warfare 2 came out.

Modern Warfare 2 - 0/10, would rather play Star Goose

 

[Prine]

* Scratches Dragon Age from must buy list *

I was looking forward to this, KOTOR and Mass Effect are some of the greatest games i've played.

 

[LCfiner]

* Scratches Dragon Age from must buy list *

I was looking forward to this, KOTOR and Mass Effect are some of the greatest games i've played.

Then you would like dragon age

unless you really, really, REALLY hate fantasy settings

 

[ethelred]

* Scratches Dragon Age from must buy list *

I was looking forward to this, KOTOR and Mass Effect are some of the greatest games i've played.

Dragon Age is much better than either of those.

 

[Monroeski]

So...


Dragon Age - 5/10
Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Neverwinter Nights - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10

Fallout 3 - 7/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Morrowind - 6/10

Fallout - 7/10

The Witcher - 5/10

Arcanum - 5/10
Temple of Elemental Evil - 4/10
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6/10

KotOR 2 - 7/10
Neverwinter Nights 2 - 8/10

Diablo - 7/10
Diablo 2 - 6/10

Some of those are pretty ridiculous, but in their defense, probably half of those games were buggy, incomplete messes when they came out (ToEE, Vampire, and the KotOR games in particular).

Vampire especially, that game is incredible now, but back when it was released, it was basically unplayable for a large number of people.

 

[Drek]

Baldur's Gate 2 8/10 is pretty fair
not really an OMG WTF thing

Other than it being the best RPG ever made and all that.

The problem with Edge is that their reviewers are obtuse minded genre fans. For example, they don't like RPGs. If you wouldn't spend your own money to buy and try a game you probably shouldn't review it, and I'd bet that none of Edge's staff would have any desire to spend their own money on basically any RPG.

It's all about what you think a video game review in a gaming publication should be. If you think its just some guy getting the chance to soap box about a game then sure, Edge does a good job (though they write like a bunch of sophomore English lit majors who think people give a fuck that they know how to use a thesaurus). If you think a review is supposed to somehow inform the general gaming populous about a games merits or lack thereof then Edge is a massive failure on a near monthly basis.

 

[Zeliard]

So...


Dragon Age - 5/10
Mass Effect - 7/10
Jade Empire - 7/10
KotOR - 9/10
Neverwinter Nights - 9/10
Baldur's Gate 2 - 8/10

Fallout 3 - 7/10
Oblivion - 8/10
Morrowind - 6/10

Fallout - 7/10

The Witcher - 5/10

Arcanum - 5/10
Temple of Elemental Evil - 4/10
Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines - 6/10

KotOR 2 - 7/10
Neverwinter Nights 2 - 8/10

Diablo - 7/10
Diablo 2 - 6/10

:lol :lol

 

[Danne-Danger]

* Scratches Dragon Age from must buy list *

I was looking forward to this, KOTOR and Mass Effect are some of the greatest games i've played.

Do you see what you've done Edge? DO YOU SEE!?

DA kicks the shit out of Mass Effect as far as RPGs go and is -- like I said earlier -- about on-par with KotOR. Buy it and don't look back.

 

[DY_nasty]

Do you see what you've done Edge? DO YOU SEE!?

DA kicks the shit out of Mass Effect as far as RPGs go and is -- like I said earlier -- about on-par with KotOR. Buy it and don't look back.

Helllllllll no.

 

[EviLore]

Dragon Age is much better than either of those.

You have to assign it a score, dude, otherwise he won't know what to do.

 

[pieatorium]

Other than it being the best RPG ever made and all that.

Except that's Planescape not BG2

 

[Speevy]

I don't care what Edge scores it. I'm just glad we're finally getting some decent RPGs.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

It's nice to see Edge threads moving into a new 'Edge are biased' direction as 2010 looms ahead on the horizon. Pre-07's "Edge inflate UK-produced games' scores" has its charms, while 07-09's "Edge are biased against the PS3" was starting to lose it's lustre.

This, on the other hand, is fresh, exciting. Just the new flavour these threads needs as we move into the teenies.

 

[Prine]

Dragon Age is much better than either of those.

Yeah? I hope so, i will take your word on this, along with GAF.

Will buy DA, i love BioWare.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Other than it being the best RPG ever made and all that.

The problem with Edge is that their reviewers are obtuse minded genre fans. For example, they don't like RPGs. If you wouldn't spend your own money to buy and try a game you probably shouldn't review it, and I'd bet that none of Edge's staff would have any desire to spend their own money on basically any RPG.

It's all about what you think a video game review in a gaming publication should be. If you think its just some guy getting the chance to soap box about a game then sure, Edge does a good job (though they write like a bunch of sophomore English lit majors who think people give a fuck that they know how to use a thesaurus). If you think a review is supposed to somehow inform the general gaming populous about a games merits or lack thereof then Edge is a massive failure on a near monthly basis.

I completely agree with this. It is clear, by their review history, that they have no love for RPGs. RPG reviews from them should therefore not be trusted. They should either hire an RPG guy (like how PC Gamer contracts out RPG reviews to Desslock) or refrain from reviewing them. Otherwise there is no point in paying any attention to any of their RPG reviews.

 

[ethelred]

Yeah? I hope so, i will take your word on this, along with GAF.

Will buy DA, i love BioWare.

You have to assign it a score, dude, otherwise he won't know what to do.

See? Sometimes you just have to speak slowly in low, soothing tones.

 

[Beezy]

Modern Warfare 2 - 0/10, would rather play Star Goose

I wasn't even referring to you (I have no idea what you play), but I guess it's open season now since you're one of them.

Still though, anyone who says shit like "it's the same as COD4" and hasn't played the game needs to shut the fuck up.

 

[Yoboman]

Helllllllll no.

Mass Effect is to Dragon Age as Oni is to Halo

 

[Danne-Danger]

Helllllllll no.

I got the console version

*Your mileage may vary.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Sorry, make that ryanodonnellgears2.jpg photoshopped to have him wearing a beret.

If you've got a point to make then just say it. Trying to equate that sentence, taken out of the context of the whole review, with (paraphrasing here) "the only bad thing about this game is that it's almost too good" doesn't make a lot of sense. Either way, I kinda assume that you're just messing with me now, so yeah, nevermind!

 

[Huggers]

Didn't Edge give Persona 4 a 9? That's enough to get a pass from me, even if some of those other scores are baffling.

Yes it did. But we don't talk about that right now. We only talk about how Edge hate all RPGs

 

[syllogism]

Yes it did. But we don't talk about that right now. We only talk about how Edge hate all RPGs

They probably have some token JRPG reviewer who plays only those. Besides we were talking about real RPGs.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Yes it did. But we don't talk about that right now. We only talk about how Edge hate all RPGs

They did give Tales of Vesperia 8/10, I think. So clearly, EDGE adores JRPGs and hates WRPGs.

 

[John Harker]

I'm maybe 8 hours into the Xbox version of Dragon Age, and yea, I'd say it's kinda disappointing so far.

 

[Cheech]

Mass Effect is to Dragon Age as Oni is to Halo

I wouldn't go THAT far, but Dragon Age is clearly the better game.

Dragon Age: 9/10
Mass Effect: 7/10

Hope that helps. :lol