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Edge #258 - twenty years special, seven old games revisited

360 is well deserving of a top 3 spot, huge collection of games, an amazing library of indy titles, best online play on a console, a truly great controller, etc. Haters going to hate.
 
Visualante2 said:
+ Orange Box
Exile, Elite were awarded retrospectively.
Halo and GTA IV ended up on PC eventually. Same for Super Street Fighter IV and Dark Souls.
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Orange Box was multiplat from the beginning, Exile and Elie are fair I guess but the rest you listed only came to PC later. Consoles were the leads for those games and some of them had ports too.

I'm talking about games that came out on PC first or stayed full exclusive to the platform. They basically ignored what some consider the golden age for PC gaming, the 90s, turn of the century.
 
Visualante2 said:
It's Halo. 2001 was a busy year.
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The post you are quoting is referring to issue 200 (this is issue 258). Speaking of which I thought there was an Advance wars cover for issue 200, it was just the Advance Wars 1 coverart...but that might have been something else.

Still it makes me wonder if the covers were made before the features as that is two of the retrospective 10/10 (Goldeneye and Advance Wars) which did not get a cover, but like you said, those games came out in busy years.
 
entrement said:
And people call EDGE Sony fanboys lol.

EDGE have always seem to have a deep love for Nintendo stuff in my years of reading the magazine, especially the N64.
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Well the editorial team they have now is very different from the N64 days. It's mostly new faces. But in general most of the gaming press has a deep appreciation & respect for Nintendo and their contributions to this industry.

MoogleWizard said:
Lol, what a joke. Edge just lost all credibility.

Where were the industry changing games like Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Final Fantasy VII or Goldeneye on the 360? And what's the reasoning of putting it so much higher than the PS3 when the two systems share like 90% of their libraries? The more hardware failures, the higher the ranking?
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But if you look at it's overall library, the 360 has been pretty consistent in quality for nearly 7 years. How many consoles have lived that long? While they're not many genre defining games these days, the 360 has had good games releasing regularly for a long time now. As a full body of work its got a great library of games in many different genres. It's also made on-line competitive multi player a mainstream thing - that used to be a thing reserved for hardcore PC players.

You could count the number of good games on the N64, most of them were adventure games (with sports, racing sims & fighting games being very under-represented) and they were long periods between releases. And many Playstation games just haven't survived the test of time (at least not as well as SNES and Mega Drive games) - and its library was too full of shovelware.
 
Nozem said:
360 was the first console with a solid online system in place. That in itself is bigger than any of the titles you mention.
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I really agree. With the 360, it's online is a revolution and the benchmark for all other services. Some might have bettered it (steam), others just lack behind (psn) while others just dont get it at all (origins), but the truth is LIVE on the 360 was/is a revolution.
I think some hardcore Nintendo fans might have trouble with that though, backing a company that shys away from such a service. But ignorance is never valid excuse.
 
Visualante2 said:
It's more about him. They barely discuss Tekken x Street Fighter (his current project). They briefly talk about the latest Tekken being an experiment with F2P, but he states there is no internal sea change towards that business model.
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Oh, I might have to check that out. Thanks.
 
10. Nintendo 64
9. Game Boy Advance
8. Playstation 3
7. Gamecube
6. Xbox 360
5. Dreamcast
4. Wii
3. Nintendo DS
2. PlayStation 2
1. PlayStation

Ranked on importance, impact, library, trailblazingness, paradigm shifting goodness.
 
Should've made it more cryptic I think

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Steve o 3000 said:
Lots of salt in here over a silly list.
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I expected more salt over the 10s honestly.
 
Depends on what they mean with best console. if they only mean games wise X360 shouldn't be anywhere near top 3. Just look at the release calendar between PS3 and X360 this year.. There really hasn't been that many high quality exclusives for X360 for a long time. Multiplatform games can be played with PS3 or PC.
 
What did they said about Ultra SFIV ?
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
The 360 and PS3 are nearly the same console.

Kind of weird to have them five spots apart.
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The 360 and PS3 are nearly the same console now, 8 years into their lives. At first they were not even close, the 360 came thundering out of the gate, all integrated OS features and internet savvy, while the PS3 was truly the PS2.5 for the first few years of its life.

Debate all you want whether the 360 is the second best console of the past 20 years, but the five space gap between it and the PS3 is well deserved as far as I'm concerned.

Or to put it another way: there is a reason why Sony's gameplan with the PS4 is more or less a copy of MS's early gameplan with the 360.
 
Fersis said:
What did they said about Ultra SFIV ?
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I'm going to assume you know about the characters and stages already announced which is mostly what the article talks about. "Ayano insists this isn't just a case of dropping a failed game's models into the engine of one whose appeal endures five years on from its arcade debut" [...] "The absence of SFXT's universal Boost combo system will certainly mean that four of USFIV's five new characters play differently but they sure do look the same" [...] "Until we see the curtain pulled back on USFIV's fifth pugilist it's tempting to see USFIV as Capcom at its most iterative."

Cammy and Akuma will be toned down while buffing up characters at the other end of the tier lists. They want it to be balanced while retaining diversity. (seems obvious to me)
 
I knew it was too much to hope Edge would have a big reveal of the fifth Ultra Street Fighter IV character (even though we all know it's definitely that guy in the tartan apron tending the barrels in the distillery stage).
 
What are they basing these consoles on? If I was to rank videogame consoles, it would ultimately come down to their game library, with a secondary emphasis given to reliability (which is generally good by the second half of a generation for any console), and controller design. Basically, if I picked up the console now, what would it offer me? By those metrics, I don't see how 360 and PS3 are separated by 5 spots. 8 out of 10 titles are on both systems, but PS3 had more high profile first party titles, and way more Japanese exclusives. 360 had better multiplat titles for the most part (with huge performance differences in some titles, like Skyrim), and arguably better digital exclusives. To me, both consoles are pretty equal, with personal preference putting one over the other.

On the other hand, Gamecube and N64 had a handful of huge titles, followed by a bunch of nothing. Especially the N64. I could see it being in top 5 if we were ranking systems by their best 20 games, but overall?
 
Weird that they put PS3 so low, yet 360 so high, meanwhile both consoles are called HD "twins" for a reason: they share much of the same library, its near identical and one can easily make the case that PS3 exclusives are better, though that is subjective. The point is that them being that far separated is silly and nonsensical

Neither of those 2 consoles belong in the top 5

1. PS2
2. PS1
3. NES
4. SNES

But hey, its their list and that above is mine, there is no right or wrong.

Cool covers they did though, DOOM is best one
 
Good to see most of those games get 10s, especially Advance Wars as I believe it's the first portable title to get the award (well alongside Drop7).

The console list isn't as good, they do realise they're a British magazine? Neora made a good post in this thread that highlights some of the reasons why the PAL N64 shouldn't be near the top of the list before you even get to games.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=574581&page=2

I'd say the RRoD should cost the 360 it's high placing too, the rest are more subjective even if I don't necessarily agree with them..
 
What a silly list. Rank doesn't matter to me, but if you're only going back twenty years make it a top five or something.
 
Lol at the youngsters looking at the N64 as that shitty 3D retro console with bad graphics , to be able to weigh them against each other you had to be playing them in the time frame they ruled .
Also stop comparing just the last two years of PS3 vs 360, if you look at the first five years it paints a very different picture .
 
raziel said:
Ten amendments are lame. It's telling about a publication if and how often they hit the mark in recognizing certain games' exceeding quality and even impending influence, in the moment -- anyone can do it, retroactively. If after the fact, time shows they underscored a game, then they're incompetence and lack of foresight needs to be preserved for prosperity and as a mark of shame. With a game like Dark Souls especially, it comes off as jumping on the bandwagon.
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They originally gave it a 9 though? that's not jumping on any banwagon. Saying you can't admit your scoring is off is a pretty bad way to judge something imo. And it's not like they pulled a polygon and changed the review scores within 2 - 3 days.
 
herod said:
The worst Mario, the most boring Zeldas, and a garbage FPS that runs like shit, along with some other crap you've forgotten the names of already because they ran like shit and are ultimately forgettable once you got over the novelty of 3D gaming (something PC gamers had already done by the time N64 came out).
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It's funny, when Resident Evil 4 first came out, I would have given it around a 9.7/10 or so. Then an entire generation of games happened with nothing that even came close to equaling it, and I too revised my score to a 10/10. I can understand why they would feel the need to revise their score.

For those interested, this is still IMO the best (original) review on the internet of Resident Evil 4: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/116354/reviews/resident-evil-4-review/

It might get the score wrong, but the words are the most perfect summation of the game I've seen.
 
In my opinion, the DSlite should be a few places higher on that list. It's the only thing that I have enjoyed anywhere near as much as I did my old PS2.

360 should be a couple of places lower.
 
Xbox 360 as the second best game console is laughable, especially in a world with DS, PS1 & PS3 in it (and had it been a longer period, SNES, but that's out of this list).
 
The Zelda and Shenmue covers are great but I'm not loving the Deus Ex/Bob Page one. The number 1 and 2 choices in that top 10 console list are also dead-on imo. I'd personally have put Wii higher than the PS3 and the Gamecube though.
 
Wow, controversial list there. When I saw it, my first reaction was "that includes every viable console from the last 20 years, how silly". But I guess any ranking list stirs people up.

I'm really surprised to see the Dreamcast at the bottom where it belongs. I've never understood why it's evangelized. It's a PS2-era console that was completely unprepared to compete, yet it never gets shit on like the Gamecube for all its lacks: no 2nd stick, memory cards half the size of a Memory Card 59, disc capacity smaller than GC discs, not remotely enough buttons (5 fewer than a PS2 controller), the worst 3rd party support this side of the Wii U, no component video support, and on and on. I was there at launch, and played it like crazy while I waited for the big boys to come along, but I knew it'd be dead in a year or two.
 
Leondexter said:
Wow, controversial list there. When I saw it, my first reaction was "that includes every viable console from the last 20 years, how silly". But I guess any ranking list stirs people up.

I'm really surprised to see the Dreamcast at the bottom where it belongs. I've never understood why it's evangelized. It's a PS2-era console that was completely unprepared to compete, yet it never gets shit on like the Gamecube for all its lacks: no 2nd stick, memory cards half the size of a Memory Card 59, disc capacity smaller than GC discs, not remotely enough buttons (5 fewer than a PS2 controller), the worst 3rd party support this side of the Wii U, no component video support, and on and on. I was there at launch, and played it like crazy while I waited for the big boys to come along, but I knew it'd be dead in a year or two.
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Is there a console that can match the library that the DC built up in the short space of 2 years?
 
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