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Edge #258 - twenty years special, seven old games revisited

Ten amendments are lame. It's telling about a publication if and how often they hit the mark in recognizing certain games' exceeding quality and even impending influence, in the moment -- anyone can do it, retroactively. If after the fact, time shows they underscored a game, then they're incompetence and lack of foresight needs to be preserved for prosperity and as a mark of shame. With a game like Dark Souls especially, it comes off as jumping on the bandwagon.

At least they're raising their scores. I remember when Next Generation magazine (Edge's old, dead US counterpart) lowered some scores. That's classless.

But yeah, Dark Souls was an easy mark for greatness (or at least wild popularity among the hardcore). Pretty sad to miss it at the time.
 
Will buy for the Shenmue cover.

The retrospective 10s are also justified. I'm impressed with the list of Edge 10s when you factor those in because, a few of the more recent ones aside, it's close to my choices for 10/10-worthy games from the last 20 years.

As for the list, I wouldn't put the 360 that high but I don't get the shock at it being higher than the PS3. The 360 has been shit for the past couple of years, sure, but it was fantastic for the first five years and the PS3 was a joke for the first couple. The 360 did things with online integration in 2005 that Sony is only getting to with the PS4. The third-party libraries are similar but until recently it was a safe bet that the 360 versions would be better.
 
fuck that vice city cover is hideous. come on edge.

nonetheless, i'll be picking up the sm64 and majora's mask covers.

Ten amendments
- Goldeneye 007
- Advance Wars
- Resident Evil 4
- Drop7
- Red Dead Redemption
- Super Street Fighter IV
- Dark Souls
These games are now, retrospectively at least Edge [10]s even though they didn't print the number they refer to them in the past tense.

great list. all of these games deserve 10s, no questions asked.

Ten best consoles of the past twenty years
10. Dreamcast
9. Xbox
8. Wii
7. PlayStation 3
6. DS lite
5. GameCube
4. Nintendo 64
3. PlayStation
2. Xbox 360
1. PlayStation 2

I don't understand the gap between 360 and PS3. How exactly is 360 that much better than PS3? they're so fucking similar, they should both count as one imo.

Dreamcast should be higher.

N64 should be #1
 
PS3 didn't have one game that changed the world like Mario 64, Ocarina of Time and Goldeneye did.



People seem to forget that the first 3-4 year of PS3 was all blahh. Some great games here at the end doesn't make up for that.
I'd argue this and point to uncharted 2. For better or worse the cinematic gameplay set piece experience that took hold this gen was all because if this game.
 
Twenty years it says! That's why the NES and Atari aren't even on it.

Except that the system was still being made, sold and supported in 1993. So it should be on a list reflecting the 10 best consoles of the past 20 years. Even if you only consider games that came out starting in 1993 it would be on this list.
 
The post you are quoting is referring to issue 200 (this is issue 258). Speaking of which I thought there was an Advance wars cover for issue 200, it was just the Advance Wars 1 coverart...but that might have been something else.
No, that's the one I'm talking about. If someone happens to have one lying around and doesn't mind parting with it, message me.
 
I recently subscribed to EDGE so this will be my first copy received. I'm hoping for the Shenmue or OOT one or I assume there'll be a Half-Life 2 one, so I want that one!
 
The act of retroactively giving a perfect score to a game that was already reviewed seems silly to me. Say its better than you thought it was, but leave it at that. Stand by your score.
 
EDGE....

Aren't these guys who gave DOOM and Super Metroid mediocre scores? They should put these two somewhere in their ten amendments list.


The worst Mario, the most boring Zeldas, and a garbage FPS that runs like shit, along with some other crap you've forgotten the names of already because they ran like shit and are ultimately forgettable once you got over the novelty of 3D gaming (something PC gamers had already done by the time N64 came out).
Obvious trolling, try harder.
 
This'll be my first issue since #210. Happy to come back, always loved their specials. I got the Shenmue cover for #200, and while it was ugly, I hope it's a different game this time. It kinda depends on the store where I buy it :|

Also the times of bagged issues are over since the redesign I guess?
 
No SNES shows this list as catering to a much younger generation of gamers. Who cares about history! For shame Edge, for shame.

This omission alone makes the entire piece worthless in my eyes.
 
Weird, I just realised I have a copy of their 10th anniversary issue at home, think it was a Street Fighter cover? Crazy that another 10 years have passed.
 
But the DS lite plays GBA games.
[Japan,US] Launch PS3 can play PS2 and PS1 games...hey now the top 10 has space for the SEGA Saturn and PSP...now to get rid of the Gamecube and then the Jaguar can fit...or possibly the 3DS 3DO.

No SNES shows this list as catering to a much younger generation of gamers. Who cares about history! For shame Edge, for shame.

This omission alone makes the entire piece worthless in my eyes.
A top 10 lists of consoles that came out in the last 20 years does not include include a console that came out 21+ years ago. How could EDGE be so dumb?

Unless we count the SNES model 2 or something but that would make it feel like its inclusion is pandering to retro fans...
 
The act of retroactively giving a perfect score to a game that was already reviewed seems silly to me. Say its better than you thought it was, but leave it at that. Stand by your score.

"Better than you thought it was"... but exactly whose score is it, though, who's the "you"? I bet a lot of these games were reviewed by people that have nothing to do with the magazine anymore.
 
I'm not sure an explanation exists that could provide a reasonable ordering for that list without it signaling a heavy degree of awkward bias and ignorance.

On theirs, or yours?

Opinions differ. People are treating this as if it's a fact that every single person on the earth prefers X over Y.

Bummer, right?
 
New covers added. Hate the Modern Warfare cover, the Wii Sports one is pretty cool I'm reminded of this picture someone made in Valve's mapping software Hammer

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RE4 cover is great but the pink kind of ruins is. Why not a blood red?
 
On theirs, or yours?

Opinions differ. People are treating this as if it's a fact that every single person on the earth prefers X over Y.

Bummer, right?
Some opinions are more valuable than others. There is no set list, but the gulf between the 360 and the PS3 when the vast majority of their content is shared is laughable.

People have already brought up numerous times the almost complete lack of historical insight that the list displays.
 
[Japan,US] Launch PS3 can play PS2 and PS1 games...hey now the top 10 has space for the SEGA Saturn and PSP...now to get rid of the Gamecube and then the Jaguar can fit...or possibly the 3DS 3DO.


A top 10 lists of consoles that came out in the last 20 years does not include include a console that came out 21+ years ago. How could EDGE be so dumb?

Unless we count the SNES model 2 or something but that would make it feel like its inclusion is pandering to retro fans...


You are right, I fucked up.

I checked the date, it's 1991. I was thinking of when I got one, 1994.
 
I don't really care about the specifics of the rest of the list, but the DS is definitely at least number 3/4. It was the PS2 of handhelds. It had pretty much EVERYTHING.
 
Does anyone know a way to order a specific variant cover? Or do you have to be in the UK and find it in a store? That Mario 64 cover is great.
 
Does anyone know a way to order a specific variant cover? Or do you have to be in the UK and find it in a store? That Mario 64 cover is great.
If you literally can't find a retailer, you might be able to ask someone to buy it for you? Problem is if their local WH Smith/equivalent might only have a few issues total on the shelf.
 
I NEED these cover images in larger sizes. Some of them are amazing and meant to be seen bigger then the current size offered.
 
If you literally can't find a retailer, you might be able to ask someone to buy it for you? Problem is if their local WH Smith/equivalent might only have a few issues total on the shelf.

I always forget about WH Smith, I guess I'll try my luck there. Thanks for the advice.
edit: I talked too fast, no WH smith in my city... Oh, well.
 
They originally gave it a 9 though? that's not jumping on any banwagon. Saying you can't admit your scoring is off is a pretty bad way to judge something imo. And it's not like they pulled a polygon and changed the review scores within 2 - 3 days.

Some people won't be happy until reviewers or publications they believe are wrong are eliminated from the earth and put in the stockade for people to throw rocks at, Lottery style, because they might have gave a video game a slightly lower score than they believe it deserved.

As for the 360 vs PS3, I own neither and haven't read the magazine, but it's fairly obvious what the reason is - the infrastructure, including online, achievements, and everything else. Whether you like it or not, all of that is far more important in the long run for a console's legacy than what games it had.
 
in what world is xbox better than dreamcast..!!!!

the actual one.

360 is well deserving of a top 3 spot, huge collection of games, an amazing library of indy titles, best online play on a console, a truly great controller, etc. Haters going to hate.
should have beat out PS2.
 
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