No, it's genuinely amusing to see GAF continue to go freak out any time Halo receives praise. Threads like this have reached the level of self-parody, and there is great mirth to be found, despite how predictable it all is. Halo 3 deserves what is has received, in sales, reviews and now awards. This is not a particularly major award, and in a specialized category at that, and yet here we are. Page six. Mirth, I tell ya.gofreak said:
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Edge Magazine - Jan 184 (Christmas Edition)
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PepsimanVsJoe
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Honestly I thought everyone was busy writing Edge letters telling them just how wrong they are.
buckfutter
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I just realised that part of the reason why I dislike Halo so much is because it precipitates this exact sort of stupid discussion. I now hate Halo because people hate Halo.
But yes, laughable award, but then it's the sort of game that attracts unwarranted praise for areas it does not excel in, as well as unwarranted criticism despite being anything but a terrible game - simply because it's so ubiquitous. There's a seriously hyperbolic hive-mind attitude surrounding it on both sides of the argument. I'm surprised that Edge has bought into it all, though.
But yes, laughable award, but then it's the sort of game that attracts unwarranted praise for areas it does not excel in, as well as unwarranted criticism despite being anything but a terrible game - simply because it's so ubiquitous. There's a seriously hyperbolic hive-mind attitude surrounding it on both sides of the argument. I'm surprised that Edge has bought into it all, though.
Captain Glanton
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buckfutter said:
And that's the crux of the situation. I don't give a shit if IGN gives Halo 3 an innovation award, but Edge is supposed to be something else entirely.
The whole "Halo 3 is not innovative!" argument is kinda funny. People will take every feature that Halo 3 packed in, and claim it came from somewhere else. Which it might have, but never so well executed and never so easy to use. The ease of saved films alone for a console deserves this award.
Most of things that the Halo games were praised for was to use innovative concepts, and use them well. Vehicles in a FPS? Done lots of times. Done right? Halo.
What is it about Halo getting praise that gets people so upset?
Most of things that the Halo games were praised for was to use innovative concepts, and use them well. Vehicles in a FPS? Done lots of times. Done right? Halo.
What is it about Halo getting praise that gets people so upset?
Chairman Yang
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watership said:
The innovation award isn't for a game having features that are "well executed" or "so easy to use". It's for a game being innovative.
watership said:
Lots of games do a lot of things right. That doesn't mean they're innovative. I'd also disagree that Halo was the first game to properly use vehicles in an FPS. In any case, we're talking about Halo 3, not Halo 1 (which probably was innovative in a few ways).
watership said:
Because it means less praise for other games that deserve it more.
I am drunk on champagne tears
Chilled by the hate that made them
My belly is swollen and fearful round
And yet still I drink
A mighty draught of mirth and laughs
And when hubris comes for me
Like a humorless hangover
I'll quaff a Mountain Dew
And have a hair of this quarrelsome dog
-Fin
Chilled by the hate that made them
My belly is swollen and fearful round
And yet still I drink
A mighty draught of mirth and laughs
And when hubris comes for me
Like a humorless hangover
I'll quaff a Mountain Dew
And have a hair of this quarrelsome dog
-Fin
proposition
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I'm going to stick my head out here and say that neither of those things are innovation. For me, an innovation is something that, once one game has done it, you want every other game - within reason - to do also. The portals of Portal and gravity of Galaxy are not such things. They are closer to what I would call 'gimmicks'. I'm not saying they're not excellently implemented and such, but still, they are not the kind of thing that I could reasonably want every FPS and every platform game to have.scitek said:
To give another example, I think the Gravity Gun is one of the best game mechanics of all time. It's absolutely bloody brilliant. But I don't consider it to be an innovation, because I wouldn't want every FPS to have its own gravity gun. On the other hand, I would probably say that the complex physics system of Half-Life 2 is an innovation, because I could see myself wanting every 'real-world' styled FPS to have a complex physics system.
Perhaps I'm running on my own definition of innovation here, but for me Portal was innovative because of the fact that it was a first-person puzzle game rather than because it did some neat stuff with gravity. When I look at SMG, I don't see a great deal of innovation, but I do see a lot of original ideas, executed totally flawlessly.
Having said that, I'm not sure what I'd give best innovation to this year. Possibly Portal for the reasons I mentioned above.
I despise Halo and generally think it is as innovative as cheese with your eggs, but you are right that the ripple effect will be huge if only for the replay feature. They were able to implement that really well and its something that major multiplayer games are going to need going forward to be considered "complete"
blame space
Banned
Innovation shouldn't be "oh hey I wish this were in all other games" or even "all other games of this genre." Innovation either be "holy balls I've never played anything like this before" or "up until now what I just did was impossible in video games." Portal and Super Mario Galaxy gave me those feelings more than Halo 3.
MisterHero
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for SMG and Rock BandCaptain Glanton
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On GOTY: I expect God of War II will be forgotten in the awards this season. I don't know what Edge gave it, but I voted for it on the 1Up Board awards for GOTY, and I even re-bought the first one based on a thread on here last week about it. I have such vivid memories about that game, all these months later, and I plan on replaying both I and II at my parents' over Xmas. I sincerely doubt I'll be able to say that about any of the frontrunner titles for GOTY.
As I said before, I don't have a Wii so I can't debate SMG for GOTY [as I also said, I'm sure it's a worthy choice], but I'd like to see more respect for GoW in the discussions that will be coming in the next weeks.
As I said before, I don't have a Wii so I can't debate SMG for GOTY [as I also said, I'm sure it's a worthy choice], but I'd like to see more respect for GoW in the discussions that will be coming in the next weeks.
itsinmyveins
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I do not approve of their choices.
And where is skate? Since when is the matchmaking in Halo 3 good?
And where is skate? Since when is the matchmaking in Halo 3 good?
GhaleonEB said:
It does?
Well, I'm really only freaking out at this award. If I'm freaking out at all.
But I do think you'd just rather there was no disagreement, really, deep down
Perhaps an expansion of the Xbot MVP program is in order to achieve a proper consensus 
The question of what WAS the most innovative game of 2007 is a good one though. I'd be inclined to look beyond the big commercial games tbh, and at the PC indie scene or the like. At least in year's previous they've housed some gems that if we were purely judging on innovation (versus even gameplay quality or the like), would stand out. But unfortunately these awards seem to clump around the year's big releases, rather than surveying the entire scene.
Visualante
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I'd really like to see God of War pick something up. Edge gave it a 7 (oop) but they're quite tough on QTEs.
I think skate. was the most innovative game this year. A genre dominated by one game got bitchslapped back and forth with a new approach on controls, gameplay, careermode, online modes, and some graphics to drool over. Halo 3 IMHO was just Halo 2 done all over again, which in turn was Halo 1 done all over again.
Blue Geezer
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i really hope you copied that from my post on the first page or two or that was a waste of time copying that out
Captain Glanton
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yaser imran virk said:
Only if it has scores and awards worth screaming at each other about. Does it have anything that I can call retarded?
SantaC
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MarkMacD said:
I am trolling cause I dont agree that Halo3 is not the most innovative game this year? I haven't played any innovative games this year as those rarely happens these days. I haven't played portal, but of the sound of it should probably get the nod over Halo3.
I also thought SMG did some very cool stuff that I haven't seen before, not maybe groundbreaking, but I'd put that over Halo3 as well.
Thanks. I think on the whole what they wrote is hard to argue with, and they even acknowledge what nearly everyone has been saying. I think from here it's down to whether people agree to this usage of the term "innovation". The features are not strictly new, but the collection of them is so holistic and functional that it constitutes something not done before. It makes me think that perhaps Edge wanted to acknowledge such a complete feature set in some way and saw this as the best avenue to doing so.Tieno said: