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Because Obama has been getting no backlash for dealing with Iran?

Not even in the same league. Rouhani was even thrown a shoe in the airport when he came back after brokering the deal.

 

[Fenderputty]

For the record, I think Snowden deserves a pardon.

Not even in the same league. Rouhani was even thrown a shoe in the airport when he came back after brokering the deal.

Your not giving the hostility of American politics enough credit. Shoe or not.

 

[Ekdrm2d1]

Full article

 

[ElectricBlue187]

He should win if there's any justice in the world

 

[ISOM]

I don't agree with snowden getting a nomination at all. I think Obama does actually deserve a nomination for nobel peace prize with his latest successful efforts to bring Iran to the negotiating table. He has done that over congressional and israeli pressure to continue sanctions and the administration pretty much did all of it in secret.

 

[Enkidu]

Pretty much this. I don't think ANYONE can nominate anyone . . . I think you have to be a Norwegian citizen or something but, yeah, there really is no tight nomination process.

These are the requirements to be able to nominate someone for the peace prize:

• Members of national assemblies and governments of states
• Members of international courts
• University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
• Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
• Board members of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
• Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1)
• Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee )

If you fall into one of these categories you are allowed to nominate anyone (or any organization) aside from yourself. So who was nominated for the prize is quite irrelevant, it only matters who actually won (and there's no need to get hung up on nominees if you want to criticize the Peace Prize as there are plenty of controversial winners).

 

[kick51]

I'm sure there's someone more deserving whose contribution to peace or whatever isn't as ambiguous as Snowden's.

It's not that they'd be less morally ambiguous people, we just wouldn't know about the things that balance out their contributions to peace.

 

[jimi_dini]

Making the nobel prize a joke.

It already is a joke. Obama has one.

I'd feel insulted to win the Nobel Prize if I were him.

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They should get Obama's back and give that one to Snowden.

 

[Tenks]

I saw sitting on the couch yesterday and I couldn't tell if it is ironic Snowden hates on America for the NSA spying but is cool chilling in a country where they outlaw homosexuality. Then I started to wonder if it is worse a country spies on you or outlaws your sexual orientation. Then my program came back from commercial.

 

[Valhelm]

Well this whole scenario has taken an interesting turn.

I really wonder how the US federal government will respond, should he win.

 

[Tenks]

I really wonder how the US federal government will respond, should he win.

You think they'd really care if he wins a popularity contest?

 

[GulAtiCa]

What was his latest excuse for not doing so?

Or did he disappear?

Sadly his thread was locked. We will never know now. (I think he still posts)

 

[Tenks]

The latter, because that actually affects a lot of people, whereas not a single person can prove they've been harmed by any of these NSA distractions.

I arrived at the same conclusion.

 

[titiklabingapat]

I saw sitting on the couch yesterday and I couldn't tell if it is ironic Snowden hates on America for the NSA spying but is cool chilling in a country where they outlaw homosexuality. Then I started to wonder if it is worse a country spies on you or outlaws your sexual orientation. Then my program came back from commercial.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/...nn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe

Short answer: He is a libertarian.

 

[zoukka]

If he would have worked for russian/chinese companies, he would be heralded as hero by all of us.

 

[Axiology]

They're not gonna do it.

Still, I would love for him to get it. It's not very hard at all to argue that he's worked to forward the pursuit of global peace.

 

[nib95]

If he would have worked for russian/chinese companies, he would be heralded as hero by all of us.

I am all but certain of this.

 

[TheJLC]

They should trick him into thinking he won one. When he goes and pick up the prize, he's arrested and extradited to the US.

Anyways, other people deserve the medal, like Malala, that kid that stopped a suicide bomber to save his school, and other people.

 

[Maninthemirror]

3 kinds of people support this prize for him


- people who dont want others privacy invaded
- people who have something to hide like cyber criminals
- terrorists who want to thank him for changing their communication setups due to leaks

Not lumping these groups together but this is a fact

 

[Axiology]

3 kinds of people support this prize for him


- people who dont want others privacy invaded
- people who have something to hide like cyber criminals
- terrorists who want to thank him for changing their communication setups due to leaks

Not lumping these groups together but this is a fact

Surely a negligible group.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Surely a negligible group.

Yes but that group also thinks the survelliance people reads all texts and emails not just collect the transactional data. Its weird because these same people think government should not be in the job of data collection of civilians yet want a bigger government to regulate more and how government should run the countryb. It's not a two way street.

 

[Tenks]

3 kinds of people support this prize for him


- people who dont want others privacy invaded
- people who have something to hide like cyber criminals
- terrorists who want to thank him for changing their communication setups due to leaks

Not lumping these groups together but this is a fact

I generally stay out of the Snowden stuff but is there a reason people felt their internet activity as supposed to remain private? It is using communication channels that are public. I know they way they harvested it by using effectively MitM is pretty sketchy but i don't know why everyone is shocked your internet data was being logged.

 

[Megadragon15]

They should give it to him so that when he goes to accept it, CIA agents can arrest him.

 

[Axiology]

Yes but that group also thinks the survelliance people reads all texts and emails not just collect the transactional data. Its weird because these same people think government should not be in the job of data collection of civilians yet want a bigger government to regulate more and how government should run the countryb. It's not a two way street.

Wait, those things are inextricably linked? And the reality you favor is the one where the government can't govern the country effectively but can still gather all types of personal data on civilians without anything resembling a warrant?

I'm not saying there should be no data collection at all, and I don't believe such a situation is possible, but I don't think it would be wise to just resign that a gross invasion of privacy, without any check whatsoever is "the cost of freedom"

 

[Vilix]

Making the nobel prize a joke. Snowden deserves shit.

LOL! They already did that when they gave it to Obama.

 

[Valhelm]

You think they'd really care if he wins a popularity contest?

A Nobel Prize might be worthless, but it would be a massive black eye to the Obama administration and make Snowden relevant again.

 

[Dali]

Honestly Obama getting it has really ruined the legitimacy of the award for me. That's not any statement on how I would feel about Snowden winning it. Just saying the prestige has been ruined for me.

 

[WARCOCK]

I think what he did was heroic and important but I'm not sure it's conducive to peace. All the foreign backlash and mistrust of the US from close allies can't be considered peace inducing. It's right, but peaceful? Ehhh

 

[striferser]

Nobel Peace Prize?
Eh, not sure about that, i think he deserve better.
And suddenly, i imagine Edward goes "I never asked for this" when hearing that he got nominated for it..

 

[Guileless]

It will be hilarious if a Ron Paul gold standard gun nut lecturing us from a country run by a former KGB agent who is now president for life wins the Nobel Peace Prize. Bring it on Norway.

 

[SummitAve]

I think what he did was heroic and important but I'm not sure its conducive to peace. All the foreign backlash and mistrust of the US from close allies can't be considered peace inducing. Its right, but peaceful? Ehhh

Heroic is a stretch.

 

[Dryk]

Here's what needs to happen:

- Snowden wins the prize
- Obama and Snowdens prizes are melted down and recast into shivs
- Fight to the death

 

[CyclopsRock]

Does Snowden sound like someone who has done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses?

This prize is a total joke anyway, alas.

 

[tino]

True American hero.

 

[Frankenstrat]

I hope he gets it.

 

[Kinyou]

3 kinds of people support this prize for him


- people who dont want others privacy invaded
- people who have something to hide like cyber criminals
- terrorists who want to thank him for changing their communication setups due to leaks

Not lumping these groups together but this is a fact

Hasn't all the NSA data collection foiled zero terror plots? Sounds like the terrorists didn't need Snowden

 

[Oersted]

I saw sitting on the couch yesterday and I couldn't tell if it is ironic Snowden hates on America for the NSA spying but is cool chilling in a country where they outlaw homosexuality. Then I started to wonder if it is worse a country spies on you or outlaws your sexual orientation. Then my program came back from commercial.

It's amazing how fast people forgot that the US goverment revoked his passport and took Morales airplane over Europe down because they expected him to be there.

 

[Oersted]

3 kinds of people support this prize for him


- people who dont want others privacy invaded
- people who have something to hide like cyber criminals
- terrorists who want to thank him for changing their communication setups due to leaks

Not lumping these groups together but this is a fact

- people who have the right to hide something. I call them people with rights. Look them up, rights. A weird paper was named after them.

Hasn't all the NSA data collection foiled zero terror plots? Sounds like the terrorists didn't need Snowden

Yep.

 

[davepoobond]

i nominate barack obama again

oh, he won already? can't he win again? threepeat!

 

[Kenai]

I generally stay out of the Snowden stuff but is there a reason people felt their internet activity as supposed to remain private? It is using communication channels that are public. I know they way they harvested it by using effectively MitM is pretty sketchy but i don't know why everyone is shocked your internet data was being logged.

There are a lot of places on the internet that are supposed to be considered private, ranging from emails to credit card data and login info. There might be some general exceptions considered understandable for data that would otherwise be considered private (like a email admin having your account data for recovering a lost password, for example), but it's perfectly understandable why a lot of folks would treat internet spying in the same way as they would treat personal letters or calls being sifted through, especially when there is no online "agreement" people give to have their privacy exposed.

A lot of it probably stems from how new the internet is and how it is different from phone/letters in many ways despite its prevalence in communications, so there are a lot of laws that can still be set and agreed/disagreed upon. Heck there's still a lot of debate regarding things like basic online etiquette that would be taken for granted in any other communication setting. It's something to work on obviously.

 

[leadbelly]

There are a lot of places on the internet that are supposed to be considered private, ranging from emails to credit card data and login info. There might be some general exceptions considered understandable for data that would otherwise be considered private (like a email admin having your account data for recovering a lost password, for example), but it's perfectly understandable why a lot of folks would treat internet spying in the same way as they would treat personal letters or calls being sifted through, especially when there is no online "agreement" people give to have their privacy exposed.

A lot of it probably stems from how new the internet is and how it is different from phone/letters in many ways despite its prevalence in communications, so there are a lot of laws that can still be set and agreed/disagreed upon. Heck there's still a lot of debate regarding things like basic online etiquette that would be taken for granted in any other communication setting. It's something to work on obviously.

Well, I will give an example of the sort things they see when searching for targets in their database.

Notice it says webcam photos?

 

[SneakyStephan]

The reward is like a million dollars isn't it? I hope he wins it

 

[iamshadowlark]

He has a very weak argument.

 

[nacimento]

Certainly a lot more deserving than Obama and, lol, Kissinger.

 

[Drencrom]

2009: Obama gets the Nobel Peace Prize
2014: Snowden, the man that reveals the Obama administration's global spy program to the world gets the Nobel Peace Prize

lol

 

[SiteSeer]

He has a very weak argument.

peace prize winners had a lot of weak arguments in the recent past.

 

[leadbelly]

peace prize winners had a lot of weak arguments in the recent past.

Well, what's worse than Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize is the fact that he felt worthy enough to be considered in the first place.

I'm sure letters were sent out to Obama stating he was being considered for the Nobel Peace Prize. He could have put himself out of the running there and then. He did not however.

I'd be embarrassed to walk up and accept it.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Hasn't all the NSA data collection foiled zero terror plots? Sounds like the terrorists didn't need Snowden

It only takes 1.

 

[leadbelly]

It only takes 1.

Well, it does only take one, and in fact we already know that one somehow slipped between the cracks: the Boston bombings.

I wish people would stop focusing on terrorism anyway. The sheer scale of the NSA is just absurd in proportion to the threat of terrorism. Because there is a possible threat of terrorism we need to end all privacy on the planet?

The amount of money they must have spent on this system. I wonder how much they spent on that data centre in Utah?

All this money and resources being thrown at the NSA to help to stop terrorism?

Regardless of how much terrorists were aware of it beforehand, what is clear is they are very aware of it now. So you have this huge system that is costing billions and is less likely to stop terrorism than it was before.

What is also clear is that the NSA's power is far more beneficial and effective if used elsewhere. All those resources would be going to waste if they just focused on terrorism.

As many people have commented, it seems like terrorism is just a pretext. It is used to justify the encroaching intrusiveness of the NSA.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Well, it does only take one, and in fact we already know that one somehow slipped between the cracks: the Boston bombings.

I wish people would stop focusing on terrorism anyway. The sheer scale of the NSA is just absurd in proportion to the threat of terrorism. Because there is a possible threat of terrorism we need to end all privacy on the planet?

The amount of money they must have spent on this system. I wonder how much they spent on that data centre in Utah?

All this money and resources being thrown at the NSA to help to stop terrorism?

Regardless of how much terrorists were aware of it beforehand, what is clear is they are very aware of it now. So you have this huge system that is costing billions and is less likely to stop terrorism than it was before.

What is also clear is that the NSA's power is far more beneficial and effective if used elsewhere. All those resources would be going to waste if they just focused on terrorism.

As many people have commented, it seems like terrorism is just a pretext. It is used to justify the encroaching intrusiveness of the NSA.

You have to admit boston bombings was more akin to a mass shooting than a terrorist attack. It wasn't a major coordnation which would have been picked up but something a mass shooter or something like the dc snipers would do. No survelliance system can stop those kinds of attacks

What I was referring to what 1 big attack like 9/11 which needs big coordination can be prevented by survelliance.