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EGM's top 200 games
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SantaCruZer said:
sorry u, do not agree. I mean this list you have contains decent times and one TRULY great one (Zelda LA), but like I said... only 5 games stand any sort of test of time. I wouldn't pick that crap over a billion other superior, more feature rich titles. Imho, though.
Almighty_Chocobo
Member
Bleh, pretty poor list there... I would be more interested in a poll among actual gamers containing the top 200, and would include PC games on top of that.
SantaC
Member
Amir0x said:
The list is probably made with games that had positive impact for it's time. It's wrong to say that you can't have that game on the list because it's from 1989 and dated. That would practicly make all toplists useless since technology and graphics capabilities advance very fast for each generation. So now when we're into next-gen we can't have this gen games on a toplist because it's looking dated already?
No hard feelings, I just don't agree with you
Doom_Bringer
Banned
Why isn't Battlefield 1942 on that list? THIS LIST BLOWS DICK! OMG What about Ace Combat IV?
FUCK EGM
FUCK EGM
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
EGM=console only.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
I don't know how we managed to get this far into a thread without it being mentioned, but the EGM list is entitled "The Greatest 200 Games Of Their Time" (emphasis mine).
Should clear up a lot of the complaints, if not all.
Should clear up a lot of the complaints, if not all.
For those of you bitching about the list, the rankings are based on how much time each game consumed of their lives ("and to a lesser extent, rattled the video game biz") when it came out.
I think that explains why GTA3 was in the top 10 and the difference in ranking between Mario 3 and SMW.
I think that explains why GTA3 was in the top 10 and the difference in ranking between Mario 3 and SMW.
Open Source
Banned
If I was stranded on a desert island that had electricity, TV, game consoles, internet access, and arcade machines, and could only have 200 games, these would not be they.
There is no way in hell that Goldeneye is the 16th best game ever, that game was unplayable even back then, nowadays its just horrible... GTA3 doesn't belong in 9th place either but that doesn't have me nearly as riled up as Goldeneye's placement on the list.
At least the Phantasy Star series got its due, though 97 is much too low for the Greatest Game Ever. Oh yeah and where the hell is Rez???
At least the Phantasy Star series got its due, though 97 is much too low for the Greatest Game Ever. Oh yeah and where the hell is Rez???
ryutaro's mama
Member
el jacko said:
FTW
mCACGj said:
Halo deserves to be #17 way more than Goldeneye deserves #16 though, if you ask me. Halo will at least be playable 10 years from now as it has a consistent framerate, decent control scheme, and some semblance of level design (well, at least the MP levels). Plus Halo is still pretty important in the scheme of things - it broke the FPS to the console game masses, introduced the dual analog control scheme that's now the console FPS standard, had impressive graphics for its time, and started a fairly unique mythos.
SaggyMonkey
Member
People still read that magazine? That's the real shocker.
The thing I always hate about these lists is that developers pour their heart and soul into the likes of Shadow of the Collosus, Majoras Mask and Nights and cant even break into the top 150, yet they are trumped by an array of sports games whose qualities come from a need to satiate the base cultural value of the sport rather than any intrinsic quality of game design or its actual representation of the sport.
Other than that though, I think this is pretty good as far as list go. Of course theres ommisions, its strange that 1080 made it, yet its older brother; the genius Waverace 64 is missing due to an oversight probably, theres a lack of lightgun games such as house of the Dead and they have headline Rpgs but miss stuff like Shining Force, Secret of Mana Earthbound and Lufia.
Arcade 57
NES 23
SNES 16
PS2 13
PS1 12
Genesis 11
N64 8
Xbox 8
Atari 2600 6
DC 6
GC 5
GB 4
Multiplatform 4
Saturn 4
TGFX-16 4
Intellivision 3
Neo-Geo 3
GBA 2
Sega CD 2
3D0 1
NG Pocket Color 1
Odyssey 2 1
Sega Master System 1
Other than that though, I think this is pretty good as far as list go. Of course theres ommisions, its strange that 1080 made it, yet its older brother; the genius Waverace 64 is missing due to an oversight probably, theres a lack of lightgun games such as house of the Dead and they have headline Rpgs but miss stuff like Shining Force, Secret of Mana Earthbound and Lufia.
Arcade 57
NES 23
SNES 16
PS2 13
PS1 12
Genesis 11
N64 8
Xbox 8
Atari 2600 6
DC 6
GC 5
GB 4
Multiplatform 4
Saturn 4
TGFX-16 4
Intellivision 3
Neo-Geo 3
GBA 2
Sega CD 2
3D0 1
NG Pocket Color 1
Odyssey 2 1
Sega Master System 1
I personally think this list is awful, and I greatly disagree with the inclusions of games like Pac-Man and Pong in the Top 10. Are they important games to the history of the industry? No doubt. Are they great? They were. But like 90% of the films made before the 1940's, they simply don't hold a candle to what has been released since.
There are many games from the pre-NES era I would consider both great and important; yet there are very, very few that I believe are worthy of inclusion on a list such as this. A truly great game is one that transends time, and the NES Super Mario's are an excellent example of this.
A few entries I grossly disagree with, either being too high or on the list at all:
There are many games from the pre-NES era I would consider both great and important; yet there are very, very few that I believe are worthy of inclusion on a list such as this. A truly great game is one that transends time, and the NES Super Mario's are an excellent example of this.
A few entries I grossly disagree with, either being too high or on the list at all:
Mama Smurf
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djtiesto said:
I reiterate, it's for their time. Things which will still hold up 10 year from now don't matter in this list.
And you know, Goldeneye did sell over 8 million copies. Regardless of what you think of the quality of the games, the FPS had been broken to the masses years before by Goldeneye. Actually I don't even know if it was Goldeneye, but it definitely wasn't Halo. Even some of the Turok games sold over a million copies, the masses knew about it.
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Heian-kyo said:
me said:
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biggreenmachine
The bleeding edge of news reporting...
Sure there are some classic games there but to just make a top 200 seems lame. Top what? Influencial, lasting value, or just plain old best? It's too difficult to compare something like SMB1 with RE4 and say that Mario is better :lol . Games over the last 20+ years have evolvoed greatly. It's like saying a model T is somehow better than a corvette, seems pointless.
Why don't they sort them by generation or even system? It would make more sense and seem way less of a random and subjective apples/oranges type list.
Why don't they sort them by generation or even system? It would make more sense and seem way less of a random and subjective apples/oranges type list.
Wafflecopter
Banned
:lol :lol Halo is better than Deus Ex and Thief? Negative. Like most of what EGM does, this list is balls. Sorry. Halo shouldn't be that close to number one.
Meh, that's a cop-out IMO. I should harken back to an inferior time in gaming just to give certain games their due? I don't have to pretend it's 1941 to lavish praise on Citizen Kane, nor do I have to pretend it's 1988 to respect the timeless awesomeness that is Super Mario Bros.Mama Smurf said:
To me, this article reaks of a desperate attempt to both maintain a faux sense of established and 'respected' history in the industry and, a common complaint of mine over many videogame magazines, one up their readership in a subtle attempt to profess their so believed 'omniscient gaming knowledge' to add some sort of illusionary degree of legitimacy to their content.
ForzaItalia
Banned
199 : Super Castlevania 4 : SNES
Way too low on the list.
Way too low on the list.
Having 200 games is a bit overkill, as the bottom ones seems mostly in random order. I know they did it because it's their 200th issue but whatever. I think the top 10 is pretty much solid. The only change would maybe be having Goldeneye in the top 10, or at least closer to the top 10. As I remember it the game was hugely influential and great for it's time. Everyone I know had it, and it was pretty much all we played. My only other complaint is that Metroid Prime is somewhat high on the list. I really don't think that game was that great for it's time or that influential or anything.
I'm also assuming that this list excludes PC games, since otherwise Starcraft should be in the top 3.
I'm also assuming that this list excludes PC games, since otherwise Starcraft should be in the top 3.
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
Hmm. How many kart racing games starring googly-eyed characters have come out since SMK? A lot. We're starting to see a lot of GTA clones emerge, but Halo's impact on game design isn't something I'm very aware of. If you'd like, please enlighten me.Zen said:
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Heian-kyo said:
It's not a cop-out, it's what the list is about. This isn't a top 200 list which has as part of it's criteria the impact at the time. It's a list about the impact and how good it was at the time.
They've done an actual top whatever list before, just looking at what's best, and it looked very different to this. Might as well complain that Mario Bros isn't in the top 10 when a best graphics list comes out.
Wafflecopter
Banned
Amir0x said:
I don't like Halo, and it doesn't deserve be on that high on the list. Don't ban me
.Sweet God, someone edit the first post and title - It's the greatest 200 games OF THEIR TIME. Not ever. Personally I would have MUCH rather seen a top 200 best games of all time, similar to their 100 and 150 issues, this list is really fucking boring. I know Pong was important to gaming, but I could care less about it now. I think it was an extremely poor choice to do this instead of a Best Games of all time list, but so long as you look at it the way they intended, most of the choices at least kinda make sense.
Then the list is useless drivel IMO, and they might as well just admit it's a tired gimmick they used to help push more of this issue out the door.Mama Smurf said:
Tell me, if this list is supposed to be a companion to the other one they did, then how is Super Metroid not the best game of it's time when it's the greatest game of all time?
Wafflecopter
Banned
Lemurnator said:
I thought I was the only one that loved Winback :lol
Mama Smurf
My penis is still intact.
Heian-kyo said:
Because you can be the best game without having the biggest impact. Half-Life 2 is far, far, far better than Doom. Doom has the bigger impact.
OpinionatedCyborg
Member
Agreed, the parameters for this list were lame. Good on EGM for trying something different, but it just doesnt interest me much.SailorDaravon said:
Flip back to issue 150 and tell me how many EGM editors from then factored into issue 200's decision.
Heian-kyo said:
From skimming the list (I don't have the issue in hand or anything), they're probably going by how important that game was as far as introducing what it did. For example Goldeneye places high because how many console-only gamers had really played a FPS, and one of that calibur? Fucking everyone knew about and played that game for years. Super Metroid is a fantastic game, and it had amazing elements, but it just really improved on already mostly existing elements. Compare that to lets say when Mario Bros came out, and all you've probably played up to that point is maybe Pong, it'd probably be fucking amazing because you've never seen anything like it, and it introduced all kinds of shit in game. Etc, etc.
Heian-kyo said:
You so crazy
Metroid was the first game of its kind with that type of level design. If you're saying Metroid is too high on the list, I agree, Super Metroid should have been higher due to its sheer refinement, but Metroid definitely deserves a spot. Not trying to provoke you or anything, just making sure I understood your opinion.
Meh, then the word 'greatest' shouldn't even be included in the title.Mama Smurf said:
And no other game did as much for the industry as Pong, so how that isn't number one with these absurd stipulations is beyond me. The only other game that comes close in it's impact isn't even a game, it's the PlayStation.
This list is broken.
Heian-kyo said:
To be fair, the title of the list IS "The Top 200 Greatest Games of Their Time."
Point about Pong, but even though Pong is obviously what really started gaming, that wouldn't have kept things going on it's own. Mario is a HUGE fucking jump over Pong. I'm a little too old to remember, but can you imagine playing Pong in the arcade, then going in the next day and seeing that? That's what probably kickstarted things (along with Pacman and others, etc). I can kinda see where they're coming from.