Graphics Horse
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Well, kinda. lots of nearby stars visible but beyond a certain distance it'll fade into a cloudy galaxy effect. But you can still visit all 400bn.
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Elite dangerous alpha 4.0 : 400 billion solar systems galaxy map
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Well, kinda. lots of nearby stars visible but beyond a certain distance it'll fade into a cloudy galaxy effect. But you can still visit all 400bn.
How is shit like this and No Man's Sky possible? What's the catch? I know in the case of No Man's Sky everything's procedurally generated, but is that the case here as well? Are the 1:1 planets not that deeply-designed? Where's the limitation here?
And if this shit is possible, why hasn't any AAA developer tried it? This is what Mass Effect could be doing (if on a somewhat more limited scale).
And if this shit is possible, why hasn't any AAA developer tried it? This is what Mass Effect could be doing (if on a somewhat more limited scale).
It's difficult to turn that type of world generation into a fun game. No Man's Sky actually seems like it has the best shot right now.
This game is very specific for a crowd of hardcore space sim guys who like to explore.
100+ thousand stars around earth are mapped by the real astronomical data, and the rest of the galaxy is procedurally generated. Users will get chance to visit EVERYTHING, but starships have intentional flaw that they are overheating in the hypedrive, preventing users to travel too far with one trip [previous games had chance for hyperspace jump error that could throw you anywhere in the galaxy].
I dont know if Elite is procedurally generating everything beforehand. Star Citizen will have fixed amount of stars in teh galaxy, and the procedural generation of the planets will happen when first player enter the system. After that happens, those planets became fixed.
As for AAA games, they are focused on action, set pieces and guided experience. Don't expect this large worlds from them [at least for now].
DarkoMaledictus
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Are they going to start mapping the multiverse? 
So they want to charge me $50 bucks for the core game, then nickel and dime me to death with "expansions" that let me do shit I should be able to do in the first place. Yeah...
bengraven
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That's a lot of useless space in the HUD though. I wish we could pull back (forward) a bit and see more space, less useless control panel.
I wish to god someone would make a huge HD Daggerfall clone.
I wish to god someone would make a huge HD Daggerfall clone.
Well. Elite is going to have planet exploration in an expansion. Now the question is whether Star Citizen is going to be out before Elite get out that expansion. It's arguable at this stage. Star Citizen seems like it's a slow burn at the moment with constant delays of their schedule. Elite on the other hand seems to be progressing faster since it had been worked on far more before turning to kickstarter.
Buggy Loop
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Since there's a lot of peoples in the thread that have just discovered this game, here's a cool video of stealth and heat management for battle. It was multiplayer in phase 3 i believe. The flight assist is off too, as in, newtonian physics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvl7uaR1sfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvl7uaR1sfI
Man that's a sweet scene
I don't think you understand what the term "Expansion" means in this context. This isn't going to be horse armor DLC. This are planned substantial updates coming further down the line.
Not sure I'd call that "nickel and diming".
Captain Smoker
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What is this, I want to play this with Oculus Rift. 
cebri.one
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:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What is this, I want to play this with Oculus Rift.
You're in luck then. Rift support is already in. ..although I hear it doesn't work very well with the galaxy map. Does anyone know if the devs commented on that?
eyeball_kid
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No way. I mean from what I've seen of the videos Elite is already a huge leap over the mess that is Rebirth, and is a vastly larger game world to explore and trade in. I will agree that the "looking sideways" to view some screens bothers me in the same way that Rebirth's ship interface did because it's just bad UI, but at least the animation time is far less here.
ichtyander
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That UI does look a bit less useful than it should be. Seems like it's made for easier controller use. Some simple options like using the landing gear should be always visible and interactable on screen instead of going inside a menu that obscures your front view (i.e. tilting your head to your right). I mean, it's debatable, since you use that option somewhat rarely but I'm pretty sure a lot of people will keep forgetting about it. Although, I'm sure there's a hotkey so ultimately it might not be that much of a bother.
It's interesting to see how the concept of having this grand scale gameplay of mixing on foot FPS with space sims inside a vast procedural universe has existed for so long and that there are actually games that have attempted this before, but none of them have ever been polished enough or have always missed some crucial component. Even though we've seen games that are just FPSs or just space sims, nailing all of those concepts into one well polished and coherent game turns out to be a gargantuan task, almost a game developer's pipe dream. I think No Man's Sky will actually be the first to try to make the basics feel smooth and polished, to finally make a well made game that has the basics of space flight, combat, seamless planetary landing and on foot FPS gameplay. Once someone makes a standard, others will at least try to copy it and improve on it.
It's interesting to see how the concept of having this grand scale gameplay of mixing on foot FPS with space sims inside a vast procedural universe has existed for so long and that there are actually games that have attempted this before, but none of them have ever been polished enough or have always missed some crucial component. Even though we've seen games that are just FPSs or just space sims, nailing all of those concepts into one well polished and coherent game turns out to be a gargantuan task, almost a game developer's pipe dream. I think No Man's Sky will actually be the first to try to make the basics feel smooth and polished, to finally make a well made game that has the basics of space flight, combat, seamless planetary landing and on foot FPS gameplay. Once someone makes a standard, others will at least try to copy it and improve on it.
Everything in that video is amazing. The sound, the graphics, the action, all the option available. Holy mother of God.
I remember playing frontier elite 2 on the amiga like it was yesterday.
I'd waited years for braben to finally do another one.
I remember using carrying 1t of trash and clicking under the eject button for a massive cargo hold, I set the computer up for hours. That and selling the life support pods with passengers on board for infinite cash.
And thargoid searches.
...and I want this game. BADLY.
I'd waited years for braben to finally do another one.
I remember using carrying 1t of trash and clicking under the eject button for a massive cargo hold, I set the computer up for hours. That and selling the life support pods with passengers on board for infinite cash.
And thargoid searches.
...and I want this game. BADLY.
Buggy Loop
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In my case, i have the warthog HOTAS ready (bought when A-10 sim got out), with saitkek combat rudders and trackIR5. Waiting on customer release of oculus. Sad that i didnt have access to this game when i had the dev kit 1 of oculus, would've of been amazing even in low res.
i've been aware of this game, but i clearly wasn't aware enough. this footage has ruptured my anticipation gland. it's pretty mortifying how a few seconds of a me too simcade driving game/third person cinematic action game can whip the forum into a 30 page frenzy while something like this, which looks to be the triumphant rebirth of an entire genre, floats by with barely a ripple made.
and this is a 2014 release?
and this is a 2014 release?
Roland1979
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Looks great, but that is expensive. Also, the beta is more expensive then the final release. Eh... I thought we were helping them out get rid of bugs, stress test servers and what not? Early access... sigh.
Wait so the alpha is was even more expensive then the beta? Are we supposed to feel extremely privileged, enough to pay 240 to test a game?
Wait so the alpha is was even more expensive then the beta? Are we supposed to feel extremely privileged, enough to pay 240 to test a game?
Teknopathetic
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The alpha/beta prices are high because they were on higher tiers of kickstarter pledges. They can't really lower them after the kickstarter campaign without shitting on the people who supported them.
Roland1979
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Ah right, it's another Kickstarter project. No need to go into debate about it either, opinion won't change these prices. Instead, i'll just pick it up on release. Will it be available on Steam? Anyone knows?
NoPiece
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I totally get why they would be helpful, but I think I'd rather try to deal with just instruments and objects in the game world. Space shuttle pilots seem to be able to navigate without fake streaks in their window..
retrogamer84
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Holy cow, how have I not heard of this before? As someone who spends quite a bit of time with Space Engine, this is right up my alley!
I'm also wondering this.
kutthoat5150
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For those using warthog hotas, is there predefined bottoms for the game or do you have to create your own? I really hate using that target software it comes with
I don't think it's been confirmed either way. The game already has its own MMO-style launcher/patcher so they'd only be using Steam for visibility.
Still, I think Elite's more likely to go with Steam than Star Citizen.
Teknopathetic
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"For those using warthog hotas, is there predefined bottoms for the game or do you have to create your own? I really hate using that target software it comes with"
You don't really need to use target unless you plan on doing some relatively advanced mapping. Elite has a controls menu where you can map your buttons and axes.
You don't really need to use target unless you plan on doing some relatively advanced mapping. Elite has a controls menu where you can map your buttons and axes.
retrogamer84
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Couldn't help myself, I went ahead and bought the premium beta. My wallet weeps.
Any recommended flight sticks? Price is no issue
Teknopathetic
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"Any recommended flight sticks? Price is no issue"
If price is no issue then:
Thrustmaster Warthog, Saitek X-55, CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle, or Saitek X-52 Pro
If price is no issue then:
Thrustmaster Warthog, Saitek X-55, CH Products Fighterstick and Pro Throttle, or Saitek X-52 Pro
Teknopathetic
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"CH Products Fighterstick looks good, would it work ok for this?"
Yep, I use a CH stick and throttle myself and haven't had any problems in the old single player build they gave to Premium Beta backers.
Yep, I use a CH stick and throttle myself and haven't had any problems in the old single player build they gave to Premium Beta backers.
Would I be fine without a throttle?
Here is a video with some footage of the Eagle, Lakon Type 9 and the Anaconda:
http://youtu.be/zmoWyCxF1CM
The Anaconda is a real monster and I absolutely want one of those. ^^
http://youtu.be/zmoWyCxF1CM
The Anaconda is a real monster and I absolutely want one of those. ^^
If one star would take one byte to calculate before hand, 400B of them would cost 372.5GiB of memory..
Kind of doubt that they made them beforehand.
Also Frontier already had billions of stars and visitable planets and the game took ~450kB of disk space and worked with 1MB of memory.
This should explain it a little.
http://jongware.com/galaxy1.html
Garrus Vakarian
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Can't believe how cool this looks, at first I thought it might have been something like Space Engine, but then I saw the 1st person view and graphics. Subbing to this, thanks for the info.
Teknopathetic
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"Would I be fine without a throttle?"
Yeah, it has a throttle on the stick (jog wheel on the left hand side). You'll need to map a few things to your keyboard, but it's fine.
Yeah, it has a throttle on the stick (jog wheel on the left hand side). You'll need to map a few things to your keyboard, but it's fine.
This is great. I had hopes (I'm an original backer) but this is almost like a dream coming true.
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