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Fuck Apple, Epic and Tim are right.
Forget about your childish fanboyism and bear in mind this is about freedom.
Forget about your childish fanboyism and bear in mind this is about freedom.
Which was only a problem because of their dominant monopoly, and how they got there.I remember the lawsuit was about MS integrating it own software like IE, Windows Media, etc with little to no options to users download and install it own choose software.
Announced their tags a day before the Congressional investigation into themselves and a couple of others.I’m torn on this one. Apple vigilance has kept their App Store more or less safe compared to Android.
At the same time, they have this nasty habit of outright cloning business models/ideas from companies in their ecosystem and out competing then since they don’t have to pay that 30% fee to someone else.
iOS or MacOS won't be a issue because it is a fully closed platform.Which was only a problem because of their dominant monopoly, and how they got there.
iOS is far from a monopoly due to Android..
And even if it was, they started as a closed system.. and unless they were proven to have shady behaviors to obtain a monopoly, good chance they still wouldn't have issues.
I remember the lawsuit was about MS integrating it own software like IE, Windows Media, etc with little to no options to users download and install it own choose software.
Apple has a closed platform.That wasn't it at all. It was simply about IE being included in the operating system.
Apple and the iPhone go waaaay beyond what MS was busted for back in the late 90s. Anyone siding with Apple on this one is dead wrong. Smartphones are ubiquitous devices necessary for every day life. Two companies should not be able to control what software is allowed on them. Apple literally has the power to crush many businesses based on capricious and arbitrary actions. They simply should not have that power, and businesses should be able to publish software directly for the iPhone.
They tried to but the system holders wont let them. Epic doesn't like the rules so they want to be able to make their own competing app store but the platform holder wont let them. The question is then, is it fair for a company that has 60% of their native market to bar any competition from arising on their system. Yes if you consider phones to be luxury items, no if you consider them a necessity.Start your own game with your own set of rules if you don’t like how the current game is being played.
Apple has a closed platform.
MS has a OS in a open platform.
Pun intended... Apples to Microsoft (Oranges) comparison.
MS can created a closed platform if they wish.Yeah exactly. iOS is closed.
It shouldn't be legal at this point. So Microsoft should just be allowed to "close" Windows if it wants to?
This is a terrible argument.
Name the MOST important device to just about anyone in society these days. And you're arguing that two companies in the entire world should have control over every OTHER company on Earth in regards to what can exist on these devices? Absurd and dangerous.
That wasn't it at all. It was simply about IE being included in the operating system.
Apple and the iPhone go waaaay beyond what MS was busted for back in the late 90s. Anyone siding with Apple on this one is dead wrong. Smartphones are ubiquitous devices necessary for every day life. Two companies should not be able to control what software is allowed on them. Apple literally has the power to crush many businesses based on capricious and arbitrary actions. They simply should not have that power, and businesses should be able to publish software directly for the iPhone.
Judging the conduct of an alleged monopolist requires an in-depth analysis of the market and the means used to achieve or maintain the monopoly. Obtaining a monopoly by superior products, innovation, or business acumen is legal; however, the same result achieved by exclusionary or predatory acts may raise antitrust concerns.
Freedom to… create your own eco system?Fuck Apple, Epic and Tim are right.
Forget about your childish fanboyism and bear in mind this is about freedom.
oh what a nightmare this freedom is too oppressive.Massive net negative for consumers. Imagine having give out your credit card info for each 3rd party publisher with varrying levels of security.
It's painful to listen toI hope there is a cleaner Audio file or a text file at least because I can’t understand what they say.
It's more like suing Costco for not letting someone else open up a kiosk in their store and sell things w/o Costco getting a dime.The whole case seems silly to me even if it’s about payment processing.
It’s like suing Costco for not accepting American express.
I like you. I'm picking Epic and Tim.Fuck Apple, Epic and Tim are right.
Forget about your childish fanboyism and bear in mind this is about freedom.
I don’t think so, 30% per transaction is a lot of money. I understand the “Epic side” too.The whole case seems silly to me even if it’s about payment processing.
It’s like suing Costco for not accepting American express.
*if Costco owned 60% of all American retail and google owned the remaining 40%It's more like suing Costco for not letting someone else open up a kiosk in their store and sell things w/o Costco getting a dime.
And if you want to continue shopping at Costco you can't shop elsewhere.*if Costco owned 60% of all American retail and google owned the remaining 40%
Sure; but again.. see my post here: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/epic...uding-tim-sweeney-live.1603709/post-263349530*if Costco owned 60% of all American retail and google owned the remaining 40%
Tells you something about the quality of it when it is also the most expensive product by far.*if Costco owned 60% of all American retail and google owned the remaining 40%
What are you talking about here?And if you want to continue shopping at Costco you can't shop elsewhere.
Yeah a lot of it boiled down to evidence of their behavior, and the Gates interview as far as why they actually lost.
But things that are perfectly legal for someone not in dominant control of a market can be illegal for someone who is, particularly if it involves them adding restrictions that didn't exist.4
tells you more about the quality of the consumer than the product, I wouldn't use an apple phone if you paid me. Feels like a gimped android for people who are into financial domination at this point.Tells you something about the quality of it when it is also the most expensive product by far.
It isnt, but using that dominant position in an anticompetative way (usually by blocking competitors, which is what apple does on iOS) absolutely is illegal. The question is what is the market? Is it mobile app stores in which case Apple will wins as there is competition, but if the market is app stores on iOS then Epic will win as Apple essentially use their domination in the phone market to dominate the iOS app store market.Becoming dominant isn't illegal in US antitrust laws on it's own.
Make the comparison more accurate. If you have an iPhone you can only use the app store. At least in the Costco comparison you can pop to the store next door also for one or two bits if you want. The walled garden of iOS is so high there's no way you can do that with phone OSs.What are you talking about here?
Well judges exist to interpret laws not make them.Ultimately my preference is on letting a closed platform thrive and letting a more open platform challenge it to try and pull its fans and customers away. But also ultimately, the legal system will have a pretty significant decision ahead of it either way.
Make the comparison more accurate. If you have an iPhone you can only use the app store. At least in the Costco comparison you can pop to the store next door also for one or two bits if you want. The walled garden of iOS is so high there's no way you can do that with phone OSs.
Depends how far into the apple ecosystem you are doesn't it. That's why apple make nearly everything iOS only after all. It's only been a few weeks since the comments from apple about iMessage leaked for example.You can buy an Android device though... that isn't really some valid argument. (not that my analogy is that great either TBH lol)
You can buy an Android device though... that isn't really some valid argument. (not that my analogy is that great either TBH lol)
Depends how far into the apple ecosystem you are doesn't it. That's why apple make nearly everything iOS only after all.
who do I root for?
I missed that.. those are the kinds of things that can help build a case, but I doubt it's enough. They were just internally debating whether an action would benefit them as a business or not.. that's pretty normal.Depends how far into the apple ecosystem you are doesn't it. That's why apple make nearly everything iOS only after all. It's only been a few weeks since the comments from apple about iMessage leaked for example.
Can you not see how it’s all adds up together to be pretty anti consumer though?? Well yeah it's completely in their right to make their own products exclusive to iOS
Can you not see how it’s all adds up together to be pretty anti consumer though?
Blocking competitors from offering certain services on your platform and then saying if someone doesn't like that then they can go elsewhere, but specifically making it as hard as possible for people who are in your ecosystem to leave.
For my feeling on this, it isnt one specific thing Apple does that makes them anti competitive. Its everything added together.
Say if you use iMessage, have some Airtags, have an Apple Watch, have some airpods etc etc. All of those things either straight up don't work with Android or work a hell of a lot worse with Android. You don't think that makes it difficult to leave the ecosystem?Why is it difficult for you to leave?
Say if you use iMessage, have some Airtags, have an Apple Watch, have some airpods etc etc. All of those things either straight up don't work with Android or work a hell of a lot worse with Android. You don't think that makes it difficult to leave the ecosystem?
I like my phones security and app store the way it is. Stop messing with it. If I wanted something else I wouldn't have bought into apples ecosystem.Fuck Apple, Epic and Tim are right.
Forget about your childish fanboyism and bear in mind this is about freedom.
Say if you use iMessage, have some Airtags, have an Apple Watch, have some airpods etc etc. All of those things either straight up don't work with Android or work a hell of a lot worse with Android. You don't think that makes it difficult to leave the ecosystem?
Same as buying a Playstation, a Playstation VR, controllers, etc.Say if you use iMessage, have some Airtags, have an Apple Watch, have some airpods etc etc. All of those things either straight up don't work with Android or work a hell of a lot worse with Android. You don't think that makes it difficult to leave the ecosystem?
You mean you didn't know Apple's ecosystem was closed before you made the decision of going in?
Personally, I've avoided their products because of that.