No, just the ones who know Force Ghost. Obi-Wan and Yoda had to study the technique, with guidance from Qui-Gon's spirit, so why or how Anakin managed to become a ghost is a mystery. Might just be because he was so powerful.
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Episode VII - Just Who is Snoke?
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No, just the ones who know Force Ghost. Obi-Wan and Yoda had to study the technique, with guidance from Qui-Gon's spirit, so why or how Anakin managed to become a ghost is a mystery. Might just be because he was so powerful.
Yeah I don't think Disney would do anything that stupid. I just thought "NOOO" when Ren mentioned the clone army. I hope that was just to show some tension between Ren and Hux and not some foreshadowing.
Only the ones that become full-bodied ghosts.
Well, they did lose a lot of troops when Starkiller Base blew...
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Qui-gon teaches/informs Yoda of this near the end of the series on Dagobah. Not all jedi can become spirits unless they know of this teaching. I'm not sure if it's explained how Kenobi and Anakin become spirits though.
DistortionOfReality
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This is a joke right? Dear god this has to be a joke
cloud_sleep
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Whoever he is, 'Snoke' has got to be the least intimidating name for a villain. It's the name you'd give an eccentric professor in a kid's book.
snoke is not plaguies. there's no reason to bring that character into play. at all.
snoke isn't the 'big bad'. he's just a big mystery.
the same way the emperor was a mystery all the way up until RoTJ.
kylo-ren will be the big bad in this trilogy, in the same way vader was the big bad for the OT -even though palpatine was the current ranking sith lord and could very likely toast vader at a whim through ANH, ESB, or RoTJ.
snoke is most likely an inquisitor who served under vader & palpatine.
he's no sith or ex-jedi, but he does have a level of knowledge and expertise of the force, as inquisitors do. it would also explain why he knows about vader & sidious, and why people like leia & han would know about him.
probably has access to sith & jedi holocrons as well, seeing as it's implied he taught ben solo a few things, too.
i mean really, at this point, who else is qualified to teach about the force other than luke skywalker; whom is in hiding?
all the other jedi were killed, as far as we know.
the sith are the past. this story will be about the yin/yang dynamic between ben solo & kara/rey skywalker.
also there's that early concept art of a mangled looking dark warrior holding vaders melted helmet.
people assumed that was early concept art for kylo ren, but what if that is actually snoke?
as part of his seduction of ben solo, he gifted the helmet to him.
snoke isn't the 'big bad'. he's just a big mystery.
the same way the emperor was a mystery all the way up until RoTJ.
kylo-ren will be the big bad in this trilogy, in the same way vader was the big bad for the OT -even though palpatine was the current ranking sith lord and could very likely toast vader at a whim through ANH, ESB, or RoTJ.
snoke is most likely an inquisitor who served under vader & palpatine.
he's no sith or ex-jedi, but he does have a level of knowledge and expertise of the force, as inquisitors do. it would also explain why he knows about vader & sidious, and why people like leia & han would know about him.
probably has access to sith & jedi holocrons as well, seeing as it's implied he taught ben solo a few things, too.
i mean really, at this point, who else is qualified to teach about the force other than luke skywalker; whom is in hiding?
all the other jedi were killed, as far as we know.
the sith are the past. this story will be about the yin/yang dynamic between ben solo & kara/rey skywalker.
also there's that early concept art of a mangled looking dark warrior holding vaders melted helmet.
people assumed that was early concept art for kylo ren, but what if that is actually snoke?
as part of his seduction of ben solo, he gifted the helmet to him.
For stuff like this, i totally love the internet. Made my (otherwise grey) morning.
Blue Ninja
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Shit, that actually makes a lot of sense. There's even a screenshot of him on Wookieepedia using the same kind of Force torture technique Kylo Ren used in TFA.
A man trained by Vader to hunt Jedi, who rebuilds the Empire and corrupts Vader's descendant to do exactly that.
Yeah, I like it.
Cizeta-Moroder
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Jar Jar or Max Rebo
Chuckie
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Did the explosion remove all his tattoo's? I mean he looks a bit burnt, but not 'all-tattoo's-are-burnt-off burnt"
Wow.
Obi-Wan learned from Qui-gon was well. And I just imagine since Anakin is the force balancer he can do it automatically? Palpatine said that Vader would become more powerful than both himself and Yoda so maybe that has a part to do with it? Anakin was the chosen and he was born with no father, of the force basically so maybe he can cheat.
He did but that show isn't canon lol, the last episode was an awesome lead up to Revenge of the Sith though.
You definitely should! The first season is a bit slow but it starts to pick up and it only gets better with every new season. I'd argue that Clone Wars is better than all 3 prequel movies tbh.
Currently have one of my best friends watching Clone Wars and he's loving it and the best part is that he's not even a Star Wars fan.
Ape Gone Insane
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Where is that BobbyRoberts guy. His standing has weakened substantially.
This makes the most sense in context. It could work, but then we'd need some sort of backstory on what in the world happened to him over the past 40 or so years.
It would also explain why he's moving now and not when 2 Sith were already in full control of the galaxy.
Chuckie
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Someone asks about Plagueis, Daisy says "Isn't that S...
JJ Cuts in saying: Larry will answer that question
Larry pretends not knowing Plagueis with some awkward talk: Darth Vegas, who is that hehehe..Vader?
Its so definitly Plagueis.
Holy shit.
Walter White Walker
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Bigger...Luke...theory...?
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Again, I don't know why Daisy would know the truth. She wouldn't. A movie with this much secrecy likely wouldn't give the cast the full information about the script, let alone the truth behind any potential twists that don't relate to those characters. Not saying it's not possible, but I just question the certainty people have about this due to a vague misspeak.
So if he's Darth Plagueis, why doesn't he call himself Darth Plagueis?
What identity is he hiding and who, exactly, is he hiding it from? The two guys who knew about Plagueis are dead.
As Star Wars is one family's extended shootout, I think it's safe to say Snook is someone's cousin or something.
What identity is he hiding and who, exactly, is he hiding it from? The two guys who knew about Plagueis are dead.
As Star Wars is one family's extended shootout, I think it's safe to say Snook is someone's cousin or something.
Chuckie
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He got used to his new name Snoke, which is the nickname his girlfriend gave him.
Palpatine went under "Emporer" and "Palpatine" for most the people. Just his inner circle knew the name Darth Sidious or even that he was a Sith Lord
Maybe Snoke is his real name? Could be him being like "ah, fuck this whole Sith thing. All it leads to is annoying back stabbings. I brought myself back to life. I'm above this cult shit and am the pure embodiment of the Dark side!"
That's the excuse I'd use anyway.
Tertullian
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That Daisy Ridley thing has me convinced. It's the strongest evidence by far.
See my Post, Palpatine went by his title and his real name and not under Darth Sidious.
Vader is some kind of exception of the rule, but I cant recall that anyone used the term "Darth", only Lord.
……forgetit
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Actually only ones who specially trained to disappear, the rest just die like everyone else.
Chuckie
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It could be very possible she meant something like: Isn't Snoke the bad guy (instead of this Darth Vegas they are talking about)
It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Sith are about hatred, revenge, etc. So why would Plagueis sit around while Palpatine rules the galaxy and ignore him completely instead of going to fuck him up? Then wait 10 years after his death to show him self again with a completely new identity?
Herr Starr
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I think he's referred to by his full title several times during the original trilogy. Also, Obi-Wan mockingly calls him "Darth" during their final battle.
Chuckie
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Obi_Wan said:
Lol. Worst quote ever.
Was it even intended to be a title? I think it was supposed to be his first name.
Wait a minute, does anyone else except for Luke ever see or hear the ghosts in the movies? Maybe he's nuts and is just hallucinating?
Oh I guess Yoda does but he's nutty too.
Same reason Cumberbatch was "John Harrison" until Khan name drop. There's probably no practical reason other than a "ohhhh!" moment for the vast minority of the audience who knows who Plagueis is.
And Obi-Wan is one of the few people who knows that he is a Sith.
Also I more assume that Lucas hasnt decided at this point that Darth is a title and used it as a Name.
Not sure why he'd bother. Palpatine had something to protect. Vader did not, so he went by Darth Vader. This Plagueis guy, what would he be protecting? I mean, why would he need any sort of code name?
Anyway, I just wanted to suggest Snoke is likely someone's relative. I'm not that big into Star Wars that I'd care overmuch to continue this argument.
She does not say, "Isn't that sn..." and instead says "Is that s..." which could honestly be anything. Is that someone, is that something, is that some, is that similar, is that scene, is that sith, is that Snoke's cat etc. Why would they even tell her who Snoke really is? She has no interaction with him in the movie. Heck, no one really does considering he's just some CGI monster and Serkis was probably in some blue-screen room completely separated from everyone. Disney may not even planned out the trilogy 100% and Snoke could easily be in the "we'll figure that out later" category.
Well, in universe, John Harrison was John Harrison because they needed to give him a code name as to not reveal that Starfleet is employing the genetic Superhitler named Khan as a researcher for their weapons programs.
Similarly, calling himself "Darth Plagueis" would maybe be a bad move as:
* You're supposed to be dead, killed in your sleep by your apprentice, which is kind of an embarrassing way to go
* You're using a name that is unmistakably a Sith name. Who knows, maybe the Stormtroopers and lower commanding officers of the First Order don't even know their "Supreme Leader" (a perfectly 'worldly' title) is some sort of dark Jedi. For all we know, nobody beyong Hux and Ren might have actually ever seen his appearance.
The speech about wiping out the republic and becoming the new de facto power to rule the galaxy is held by Hux, not Snoke, too. So i guess he's not the most 'visible' of leaders.
What Plagueis "protected" was the fact that, once again, a Sith might be pulling the strings of the 'new Empire'. Similar to the Emperor, who eventually failed.
I wonder how the First Order actually handles Palpatine's legacy. Whether he's being idolized as the former great leader or dismissed as an eventual failure.
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