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Etrian Odyssey / Sekaiju no Meikyuu (Impressions Post #106)
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Is there any point to raising the gather skills above 5 or so? I can get 50 harvests of wood with my survivalist party now, and that's nearly enough to fill my inventory completely (about 1k per run)
Now I'll probably either give them a few offensive skills to harvest deeper, or start raising the next gather skill
Is there any point to raising the gather skills above 5 or so? I can get 50 harvests of wood with my survivalist party now, and that's nearly enough to fill my inventory completely (about 1k per run)
Now I'll probably either give them a few offensive skills to harvest deeper, or start raising the next gather skill
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Nevermind! This game rocks!
Yes! Finally beat
. The Protector's F. Shield skill is super useful, I'm finding. My strategy: I cleared both floor 4 and 5 of all the FOEs, then made a run back to
, then I used a couple of Ward Chimes to reduce the encounter rate, ran from a couple battles, and arrived in his lair with pretty much full stats.
and managed to take him down with everyone surviving.
I had my Survivalist in the back row because they have crap for defense. he was level 13, while the rest of my party was level 16 or 17.
Fenrir
Tlachtga to refill my HP/TP
I lured him away from his pack all the way into one of the deadends on the side (after defeating the wolves that inhabited them)
I had my Survivalist in the back row because they have crap for defense. he was level 13, while the rest of my party was level 16 or 17.
The next stratum is a jungle, by the way.
Woo-Fu
Banned
GreenGlowingGoo said:
Oh yeah, it is paced very well, which is why anybody who plays the game for more than a day or two ends up creating a team solely for harvesting.
The game is paced poorly, as many games of this nature are. It doesn't mean I don't like it so stop getting your panties in a wad.
The second harvest quest I got in the game requires an item dropped by a FOE, so obviously FOEs are there to be killed.
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Avalon said::lol Forgot to set skill points did you?
I've gotten my team of Survivalist to level 10. Now they can farm the fifth floor very easily! Don't think I will run into money issues anymore.
Nah I'm just an idiot and thought that the mining/gathering/chopping skills counted up and not down.
So I was wondering why my chop was 0/20 while my mining and gathering was full after chopping shit (never looked at the menu prior to harvesting resources).
The game's pacing is quite fine. These games always have harsh learning curves. But then you learn the groove and can cost just fine. The only FOEs I had to skip were the Stalkers. But I could probably take 'em now, and I'm still within the first stratum. I think I'll give that first one on B3F a whirl in a bit.
I just met my first Stalker! :lol
Yikes, he put down two of my guys in that first room of B3F and I just high tailed it out of there. Guess I'll just run past him and explore a lot of B3F first.
I really love the two "exploring/map making" and then dungeon crawling aspects of this game. More games need cartography damn it!
Yikes, he put down two of my guys in that first room of B3F and I just high tailed it out of there. Guess I'll just run past him and explore a lot of B3F first.
I really love the two "exploring/map making" and then dungeon crawling aspects of this game. More games need cartography damn it!
The music and reallly horrible 3D graphics in this game remind me a lot of Deep Labyrinth (a game I also enjoyed very much). But I will echo the sentiments of the cartography; making your own maps is a lot more immersive and fun than if I had just left it on auto draw. It really makes it feel like you're discovering something instead of just traversing a pre-made environment just for the sake of advancing the game.
Mejilan said:
Indeed. Sweet sweet revenge will be mine!
I do wish there was a way to speed up chopping trees (probably farming in general, but I have yet to get to the other item spots). I've gotten to the point where I just start tapping the A button repeatedly while browsing some thread on GAF. Not a big deal by any means, but a bit of a pain.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Woo-Fu said:Oh yeah, it is paced very well, which is why anybody who plays the game for more than a day or two ends up creating a team solely for harvesting.
The game is paced poorly, as many games of this nature are. It doesn't mean I don't like it so stop getting your panties in a wad.
The second harvest quest I got in the game requires an item dropped by a FOE, so obviously FOEs are there to be killed.
When did I say you aren't supposed to kill FOEs? I believe I had the words "at first" in there. Like I said, if you explore the floors thoroughly, you'll get the levels you need without grinding. Then you go back and kill the FOEs that used to terrify you before. That's a very joyful moment. Especially killing those Stalkers! They leave nice expensive drop items too. So worth it!
And as for the harvesting team... Um I get the feeling that's fairly intentional. I mean, they let you create tons and tons of characters, and they put a chopping point 2 feet from the first entrance. I'm not sure what that has to do with the pacing though?
jaundicejuice
Member
Wait, people are complaining that you can do resource gathering? I'd rather have the ability to farm a bit so I can properly equip my main squad than have to struggle on through the dungeon, and grind through battles to earn loot to sell to properly equip my squad.
It's not like you have to resource whore if you don't want to.
Edit: I can't wait until someone takes some of Duckroll's posts seriously.
It's not like you have to resource whore if you don't want to.
Edit: I can't wait until someone takes some of Duckroll's posts seriously.
ethelred said:
Well the music is nice, but the 3D is horrible. There's pop-in everywhere, the actual environments are jaggy beyond belief (yes I know the DS can't do AA), and the textures repeat every couple of feet.
It's not detracting from my enjoyment of the game in any way, I was just pointing out that it reminds me of Deep Labyrinth.
Phthisis said:
So you, what, expect them to look like Shadow of the Colossus? The visuals are pretty damned nice, in my opinion -- I enjoy looking at them, I find the artistic approach to the world very lovely, and I never stop and think, while scrolling through the first-person dungeons, "Oh, hey, look at those jaggies."
The game doesn't remind me of the atrociously shitty Deep Labyrinth at all, visually or otherwise. The dungeons DO remind me of Shining the Holy Ark, and I think those graphics were quite nice as well.
slidewinder
Banned
What's this "resource gathering" controversy? Is the game designed so that you don't get money enough to progress by normal fighting and exploring, or is the resource gathering stuff just something you can do to make things easier?
I've got this on the way from Gamefly, but was thinking I might buy it locally to be able to get some play time in tomorrow.
I've got this on the way from Gamefly, but was thinking I might buy it locally to be able to get some play time in tomorrow.
I completed BOTH quests in Deep Labyrinth, and the graphics in EO slaughter those in DL soundlessly. Both in artistic achievement (more important), and in technical merit.
The only real stand-out flaw in EO, IMHO, is the pop-in. But in a game of this type, seeing more than 3 steps ahead of you in the first-person view isn't really all that important, and if that's what they had to do to keep the visuals scrolling smoothly and to keep the bottom screen interactive regardless of what's going on in the top screen, you won't see me complaining.
The only real stand-out flaw in EO, IMHO, is the pop-in. But in a game of this type, seeing more than 3 steps ahead of you in the first-person view isn't really all that important, and if that's what they had to do to keep the visuals scrolling smoothly and to keep the bottom screen interactive regardless of what's going on in the top screen, you won't see me complaining.
pancakesandsex
Member
How the hell can you people complain about pop-in in a tile based game. seriously. When eye of the beholder came out did you complain about the draw distance?
It amazes me some people even know how to have fun anymore.
It amazes me some people even know how to have fun anymore.
TelemachusD
Member
I was wondering the same thing near the end of a run mapping out the last of B5F. Don't do it unless you're absolutely ready. You can't run from the battle. I lost a couple levels and a full load of loot.Error said:
Also, Patch Up is a really useful skill after you put some points into it. With my guys at level 15 and the skill at 6 everybody gets about 9 HP after every battle, enough not to bother with Cure/Salve through the first 3/4 floors
HOLY DAMN the Boar Spear is awesome. I'm pretty much in the same boat, about to tackle Fenrir and hopefully survive.
Thanks for confirming. I was afraid of putting points into it feeling that it'd be worthless. Still at level 1, and only giving me like 1hp per battle.
TelemachusD said:
Thanks for confirming. I was afraid of putting points into it feeling that it'd be worthless. Still at level 1, and only giving me like 1hp per battle.
Dala lvl 5 Landsknetcht
Dalauz lvl 5 Protector
Lau lvl 5 Landsknetcht
Juliet lvl 5 Medic (she looks exactly like Juliet in Lost )
Mael lvl 4 Alchemist (damn deer -- 35 dmg instant free graveyard ticket
)
I was a big fan of Dark Heart of Uukrul so nostalgia card is playing heavy on me.
Dalauz lvl 5 Protector
Lau lvl 5 Landsknetcht
Juliet lvl 5 Medic (she looks exactly like Juliet in Lost )
Mael lvl 4 Alchemist (damn deer -- 35 dmg instant free graveyard ticket
)I was a big fan of Dark Heart of Uukrul so nostalgia card is playing heavy on me.
Yikes. For those of you to the 2nd Stratum (quest spoilers):
When doing the flower quest for the old man, be very careful to enter B6F at full HP/TP because when you get to the quest tile, you have to fight 4 or 5 consecutive enemy rounds with no break in between. It's a tough fight, even at level 17 or above.
TelemachusD
Member
The three in the front you can kill off easily, but the boss blocks your access to the ones in the back, and you end up fighting all of them with the boss.Mejilan said:
Boo about the respawn. Though, they seem weaker (but with more HP) than regular a regular Wolf. As to the boss, I tested that. You can pull that bastard. Clear out the 2 Skolls at each side, then pull the boss to the farthest one. THAT should provide more than enough rounds to destroy Fenrir. (At least, I'm assuming that the block dot, the third FOE, is the main boss, and the regular FOEs behind him, backup.
And once Fenrir goes down, I imagine he won't respawn for a GOOD, LONG while, leaving any respawning Skolls as relatively easy mop-up. With good exp.
And once Fenrir goes down, I imagine he won't respawn for a GOOD, LONG while, leaving any respawning Skolls as relatively easy mop-up. With good exp.