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[mckmas8808]

CEO is in submissive position to Board. They literally decide what and how CEO will be paid, what's his KPI and will or will not CEO retain his position. And they do structure pay package in a way for CEO to have incentives to actually follow guidelines what is expected from company.
CEO might not follow it, but there might (or might not, if CEO insight is brilliant) consequnces, from CEO bonus pays (which is by far the largest part of its income) to their chance to get contract prolonged.

Sure.....but the CEO at most of these big companies are working hand and hand with the Board with those KPIs and payment comp. Don't be fooled and think they aren't working together on that.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It's not actually a fact. It's just (one of) a theory about it.
And one of these couple of theories for example says that current state is not "late stage of ice age" but actually "broken equilibrium of down trend" - and it's kinda make sense because global temperature keeps going down with advent of forests (they kill co2 in air, lowering temperature in stages and even ice ages can't stop them in elimination of life ^^, mesosoic level was 20-40 times current levels).

You are literally arguing with me about science. Science is based on theories, because new information is always being discovered. That's literally the nature of science. But the scientific community is in general agreement that we are still in the fifth ice age and in the last several thousand years of it. It's not really this open question.

Smh

 

[FunkMiller]

I see the corporate dick suckery goes on here on GAF.

 

[pasterpl]

Can we get one for all of the sacked people and closed studios by Sony in the last 2 years, plus killing Bungie?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Can we get one for all of the sacked people and closed studios by Sony in the last 2 years, plus killing Bungie?

Aw did my meme hit you in the feels

 

[pasterpl]

Aw did my meme hit you in the feels

Nope, I am too old to care about stuff that doesn't impact me personally, but I hate idiots online, what you do in most Xbox threads is simply trolling.`My response to your meme is that I keep pointing out that all of these sacked people were 12% of Xbox division (after them acquiring the biggest independent publisher in the world, so lots of positions overlap etc.), while Sony just fired 8% of their gaming division (this doesn't include the most recent Bungie changes) while apparently generating amazing sales. Sony is really heartless, closing precious studios, getting people fired while they make record breaking profits of their PlayStation division.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Where does that leave xbox users?

They all cheered for the MS acquisition of ABK, they're gonna get what they deserve

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Nope, I am too old to care about stuff that doesn't impact me personally, but I hate idiots online, what you do in most Xbox threads is simply trolling.`My response to your meme is that I keep pointing out that all of these sacked people were 12% of Xbox division (after them acquiring the biggest independent publisher in the world, so lots of positions overlap etc.), while Sony just fired 8% of their gaming division (this doesn't include the most recent Bungie changes) while apparently generating amazing sales. Sony is really heartless, closing precious studios, getting people fired while they make record breaking profits of their PlayStation division.

 

[pasterpl]

Are you 15?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Are you 15?

 

[pasterpl]

I am lost for words. At the same time it explains a lot.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I am lost for words. At the same time it explains a lot.

Here i'll be a bit serious for a second. I'm pretty vocal about my disdian for late stage capitalism, which my meme is targeting, which yes, sony also squarely falls under. Hence when I used to do a lot of tongue in cheek "congrats to my fellow shareholders" posts

Now once you're done fellatioing nutella we can go back to console warring topics which is more suitable for your level of IQ

 

[rapid32.5]

You get paid more for destroying things not creating.

 

[Js562]

 

[Felessan]

Sure.....but the CEO at most of these big companies are working hand and hand with the Board with those KPIs and payment comp. Don't be fooled and think they aren't working together on that.

They do. Same as employees work hand-in-hand with their bosses about their tasks, KPI etc.
CEO to Board it quite normal employee to employer relationship. Of course they have coherent views - why Board would hire (discussing target, approaches, views etc) particular CEO in the first place if he is not fit for their needs?

You are literally arguing with me about science. Science is based on theories, because new information is always being discovered. That's literally the nature of science. But the scientific community is in general agreement that we are still in the fifth ice age and in the last several thousand years of it. It's not really this open question.

Smh

I literally argue with you about your non-scientific approach blablabla things as "it should be obvious" without any reasonable facts and argumentation.
There are myriads of theories in science and only by providing the full scope you can argue your position and expect people to believe you. Just throwing word "it's a science" - leave this shit to college of arts students (no offense).

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

I literally argue with you about your non-scientific approach blablabla things as "it should be obvious" without any reasonable facts and argumentation.
There are myriads of theories in science and only by providing the full scope you can argue your position and expect people to believe you. Just throwing word "it's a science" - leave this shit to college of arts students (no offense).

Oh man. I don't even know where to start. I'm just gonna stop here. It's not an open question that the earth is currently slowly coming out of the most recent ice age, it's just stating a fact. It's not on me to prove what I *assumed* was something that was widely known. If you dont believe anything anyone says to you without opening up a review board to deliberate on it first, then a) that's not practical, and b) it's a completely ridiculous position to take. Just flat out. As I said, I'm not stating anything remotely controversial or "well it depends, there's varying viewpoints".

But, you do you, man.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

You get paid more for destroying things not creating.

Late-stage capitalism at its finest (worst). Eeking out and squeezing out as much profit as possible with as few resources as possible. No concern or regard whatsoever for being a responsible member of the global community, or being a good employer where people can count on having a job. Scary times we live in for sure.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Here i'll be a bit serious for a second. I'm pretty vocal about my disdian for late stage capitalism, which my meme is targeting, which yes, sony also squarely falls under. Hence when I used to do a lot of tongue in cheek "congrats to my fellow shareholders" posts

Now once you're done fellatioing nutella we can go back to console warring topics which is more suitable for your level of IQ

Careful, Fellesan doesn't even think the concept of "late-stage capitalism" exists. (I forgot how to tag people)

 

[mckmas8808]

Late-stage capitalism at its finest (worst). Eeking out and squeezing out as much profit as possible with as few resources as possible. No concern or regard whatsoever for being a responsible member of the global community, or being a good employer where people can count on having a job. Scary times we live in for sure.

And then when things collapse too much, put your hand out and ask the government to save you. You know.....................................to save jobs for the citizens of your country (wink, wink).

 

[Felessan]

Oh man. I don't even know where to start. I'm just gonna stop here. It's not an open question that the earth is currently slowly coming out of the most recent ice age, it's just stating a fact. It's not on me to prove what I *assumed* was something that was widely known. If you dont believe anything anyone says to you without opening up a review board to deliberate on it first, then a) that's not practical, and b) it's a completely ridiculous position to take. Just flat out. As I said, I'm not stating anything remotely controversial or "well it depends, there's varying viewpoints".

It's not a fact. It's just an assumption. Give me some *scientific* proof, without relying to some big words "it's common knowledge in scientific community I belongs to"
Moreover, there is a huge divide on whether it accelerated by humanity or it's natural (mostly natural) process and is humanity behavoir breaks "ice ages" cycles or not (by default earth should cool overtime in cycles until it reach some equilibrium when forestation will be just not enough to continue steadily deteorate co2 in atmosphere)
And answer to it heavily depends to which group you belongs to, all of them have their innate interests.

 

[HoodWinked]

This is just much about nothing. Microsoft accelerated hires during covid and they are just returning to trend.

Also Nadella grew Microsoft substantially, considering other CEOs his compensation is proportional to his performance.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It's not a fact. It's just an assumption. Give me some *scientific* proof, without relying to some big words "it's common knowledge in scientific community I belongs to"
Moreover, there is a huge divide on whether it accelerated by humanity or it's natural (mostly natural) process and is humanity behavoir breaks "ice ages" cycles or not (by default earth should cool overtime in cycles until it reach some equilibrium when forestation will be just not enough to continue steadily deteorate co2 in atmosphere)
And answer to it heavily depends to which group you belongs to, all of them have their instrinsic interest.

I'm not stating anything controversial. You're talking about things that have nothing to do with what I'm pointing out. If you don't agree with the scientific community's consensus, that is to say, that you disagree with the scientific community. And you are arguing (without knowing) that we are actually not coming out of the most recent age ice, you'll need to get a research grant and pursue some field research, and then get your research findings peer-reviewed, and then published. That notwithstanding, you are just a guy who is claiming without evidence, that something that is widely known and has been published and well-known for decades, that earth is in fact, coming out of the most recent ice age.

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

"late stage capitalism"

ha you wish
capitalism isnt even close to its final form

 

[Clear]

That's a weird take IMO

A professional athlete (R7) that gave up his entire normal childhood and had risk corrective heart surgery before the age of 15 IIRC to keep his dream career alive.

Irrelevant. Everyone has challenges and sacrifices in their life to keep their dream alive, but don't end up being paid $260mil a year!

A dream career shared probably by 1 in 4 school boys in football countries, and a dream of which less than 1 in 10,000 get a professional career that allows them a 'full' football career - of two decades - allowing them to give up their day job live off, and R7 is a tip of a tip of an Iceberg like Beckham was, to get into the big player money that is the golden ticket of all those kids' dreams and you are comparing him to a generic selfish suit that has nothing but connections, a lack of social morality like their peers that all got similar positions?

"Generic selfish suits" don't get to become CEO's of corporations the size of MS in the same way not every boy with a footballing dream gets to have a career like Ronaldo; And yes I am comparing the two because they both represent the highest echelon of achievement in their respective fields.

And I really have to laugh at the idea that a soccer star is somehow morally superior to a businessman! Like seriously, how are you judging the moral equivalence? Because a CEO has actual responsibility over of the livelihoods of his employees and thus has the capacity to do "damage", versus a career as supremely selfish as an elite athlete, they are somehow worth less?

My point is that you are making a value judgement based not based in rationality, but emotion. Its much easier to love people who are presented as heroes because that's part of their jobs. People love and admire their "stars", whereas with CEO's and business the default perception is usually negative.

Let's also consider that R7 like Beckham sold out the home tickets every week for their clubs of +60k sales and kept the 1000 or so employees at those clubs in business, and are a TV revenue magnet keeping that whole sports media/newspapers selling product and employing people, along with their entourage's and all the people selling their replica footwear and strip the world over, along with being a big part of the reason people travel all over the world to watch football teams live and all the tourism and spending that generates. They have to be lightning in a bottle to do all that. CEOs of corporations are 10 a penny, and in comparison are remunerated proportionally way too high for being nothing too special in the context of footballers like R7

So you're saying that he's worth £260m because of the income he generates for his team. But the amount of income a CEO generates for his stake-holders is now suddenly irrelevant, because part of the process of generating that income can involve lowering headcount?

Or have you just proved my point, for me by demonstrating why a CEO like Nadella can justify that they are worth such obscene amounts of monet?

TL;DR; My argument is not based in any sort of love for suits, or any particular animus towards movie stars, athletes, musicians or whomever it is is raking in vast income for more palatable reasons.

My point was that journo's taking cheap shots at soft targets (in the sense of people whom the public doesn't really "like" for doing what they do) is just rabble-rousing for profit.

Which is fucking gross in my opinion as its preying on the readerships worst instincts.

Especially as we all know that our individual distaste/anger over their ridiculous incomes means nothing. No amount of harrumphing over what either Nadella or Ronaldo get paid is going to change how much they get paid.

 

[hussar16]

All the money being funnelled to one person does nothing for the economy.

Economy? You think they care about econony or anyone else lol

 

[ADiTAR]

I'm all for capitalism, 100%, but that salary is absolutely BS.

 

[Deerock71]

The high cost of ignoring the Switch.

 

[CLW]

Yep MS is ONLY a gaming company and has no other revenue sources

 

[ResilientBanana]

Microsoft isn't just Xbox. Sure they laid a bunch of people off from the games division, but Windows, Azure, OneDrive, Office and more all do rather well.

 

[EviLore]

He made extremely consequential decisions for MS that guided the company to directly to its current position at the top of the tech world. Yes, that's worth tens of millions of dollars and then some.

 

[PurePlatinum]

This is a catchy headline but the reality is that CEOs are paid highly because they are the kinds of people who can execute mass layoffs and not lose sleep over it.

That's why they get the big bucks. Most sane people would cave to their own sympathy.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Xbox is doing well as far as their franchises are concerned. Just saying it would've looked better on him if he had at least showed a little empathy towards those who lost their jobs, kinda like what Iwata did .

Maybe Phil Spencer should do what Iwata did. But Satya should be rewarded for his work at Microsoft as a whole. The games division is just a small fraction of their business. They are a 3.18 trillion dollar company. Thats a big ship to stear and Xbox makes up about $5 Billion of that.

 

[Barakov]

This is just much about nothing. Microsoft accelerated hires during covid and they are just returning to trend.

Also Nadella grew Microsoft substantially, considering other CEOs his compensation is proportional to his performance.

Pretty hard to argue with larger vertical rectangles every year and a graph line that keeps going up. He deserves props for improving Microsoft's bottom line.

However, as someone who cares about videogames and the industry at large, he's poison. Xbox being as uncompetive as it is has allowed Sony to be as arrogant as it is. The lack of healthy completion has landed us in this current situation.

 

[awwr999999]

We might need a revolution.

All we need is an OS that can take users out of the Windows ecosystem en masse.
Windows has had a lock on most of the World's PCs for too long and it needs to be replaced by a better OS.

 

[T-0800]

Times are rough, i heard even billionaires have to work at McDonalds in the USA.

Only those on parole.

 

[Loboxxx]

Many jokes are made about this, but it is a real shame that companies where they cut hundreds or thousands of people, managers who are probably public relations parasites, earn the equivalent of the budget of several departments with dozens of workers.

 

[KungFucius]

All the money being funnelled to one person does nothing for the economy.

It does because it comes at the expense of thousands of jobs. It damages the economy. Same bullshit happens everywhere.

 

[pasterpl]

Here i'll be a bit serious for a second. I'm pretty vocal about my disdian for late stage capitalism, which my meme is targeting, which yes, sony also squarely falls under. Hence when I used to do a lot of tongue in cheek "congrats to my fellow shareholders" posts

Now once you're done fellatioing nutella we can go back to console warring topics which is more suitable for your level of IQ

Oh so you are fan of socialism then? Or maybe you have some dystopian dream where all and everything is fair and equal in the world. Some people should really grow up. I like capitalism, but I see a need for some level of government involvement in specific/strategic areas but mostly as rule setter/controller, but less of this is better.

Ignoring your comment about my IQ and fellatioing - seriously how old are and why are you being racist (as some others in this thread)?

 

[Ozriel]

Pretty hard to argue with larger vertical rectangles every year and a graph line that keeps going up. He deserves props for improving Microsoft's bottom line.

However, as someone who cares about videogames and the industry at large, he's poison. Xbox being as uncompetive as it is has allowed Sony to be as arrogant as it is. The lack of healthy completion has landed us in this current situation.

You know he's the one that's signed off on expanded investment in Xbox/Gaming since 2018?

Phil Spencer heads Xbox. He's the one you should look to if blame is to be levied.

Nadella wasn't the lead when the Xbox One was designed and launched. He had no input in pricing, or MS weird choices with reveal or their first party software planning for the first few years of the console.

 

[Ozriel]

New to business?

Higher ups only fail upwards.

Not sure how anyone can look at Microsoft's share performance and market cap in the decade since he took over and claim Nadella 'failed upwards'.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Nadella wasn't the lead when the Xbox One was designed and launched. He had no input in pricing, or MS weird choices with reveal or their first party software planning for the first few years of the console.

You can be sure even today he is not involved, there are much more strategic and profitable areas at Microsoft (Azure) than chasing TV box.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Oh so you are fan of socialism then? Or maybe you have some dystopian dream where all and everything is fair and equal in the world. Some people should really grow up. I like capitalism, but I see a need for some level of government involvement in specific/strategic areas but mostly as rule setter/controller, but less of this is better.

Ignoring your comment about my IQ and fellatioing - seriously how old are and why are you being racist (as some others in this thread)?

Your level of IQ only permits you to one serious post

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Not sure how anyone can look at Microsoft's share performance and market cap in the decade since he took over and claim Nadella 'failed upwards'.

All of Wall Street has been on an upside swing from 2010 till 2020, just look at the stock. Then Covid helped tremendously by putting emphasis on online collaboration and anything related to online. I don't see Nadella as some sort of a genius, he got extremely lucky with his business environment.

 

[BattleScar]

Is Microsoft failing?

Microsoft absolutely is failing upwards.

For a company that makes as much money as they do, and are pervasive in every IT system, their software is absolute fucking trash. Azure is doing fine I guess. But the fact that Microsoft has been able to get away with producing absolutely trite software for over a decade and still make money hand-over-fist, is evidence that entrenchment is good for nobody.

 

[MrTroubleMaker]

 

[brenobnfm]

We need the guillotine back

 

[Three]

Wtf is going on in that gif? Did somebody actually fall through the ceiling?

 

[pasterpl]

All of Wall Street has been on an upside swing from 2010 till 2020, just look at the stock. Then Covid helped tremendously by putting emphasis on online collaboration and anything related to online. I don't see Nadella as some sort of a genius, he got extremely lucky with his business environment.

Guess that Intel was just unlucky then /s

 

[Braag]

If they close down a few more studios, he should be able to hit 100 million.
Crossing my fingers.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Economy? You think they care about econony or anyone else lol

This