Milly Osworth
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Someone make a concept drawing of the fanny pack you need to carry all the NX buttons, sticks, controllers and cartridges.
There's no logic in getting an expensive chip to gimp it both in no. of SMMs and clock. Not when stock X1 at 300mhz consumes 1.5 watts. It would be a horrible business decision.
Come on.
Edit: I understand keeping expectations in check, but this is more like a death wish or something.
You know
It wouldnt be a bad idea to set our expectations at the minimum
That way the only way to go is up from there
People would kill themselves if this is the NX lol
It's kinda mindblowing that even if it just uses the X1, the NX will produce better visuals than that
Yeah people need to realize the next Nintendo portable may really well be able to do way better than that, with a crystal sharp IQ on a 5" screen. That's just science fiction for portable game play.
Someone make a concept drawing of the fanny pack you need to carry all the NX buttons, sticks, controllers and cartridges.
It's kinda mindblowing that even if it just uses the X1, the NX will produce better visuals than that
A fan being loud is subjective. How the person is tolerant to noise, room temp, but also the fan itself.
I'm not saying it'll be 1SMM, I'm just reminding you people that when we say it's X1, it's designating a product with precise specs. The only unknown is the clockspeed. When we say Pascal, it's designating an architecture without any infos on the precise specs and clockspeed.
As for my 800 > 480 > 320 > 160 downgrade for Wii U, you must have missed the 4-5 Wii U Speculation Threads.
It's mindblowing what Nintendo can do with crummy hardware.
Xenoblade is super impressive. Yeah, the characters are kind of ugly and there's very little collision, but the scale and being able to fly anywhere (the scene where you fly out of the city 😩 is all pretty crazy.It's mindblowing what Nintendo can do with crummy hardware.
It's kinda mindblowing that even if it just uses the X1, the NX will produce better visuals than that
And I'm saying that your pessimism is unfounded, unless you think the fan is there just as a precaution. We don't even know the size of the thing either. It could be a small tablet and thus capable of running at the same speed as the Pixel C.
You said that the dev kit was downgraded in those steps, not that those were speculated ALU counts.
Yeah, same. Art style counts for a whoooole lot.Exactly. I've been playing Wii U right alongside PS4 all gen and really have no qualms. Most of their games look and run beautifully.
Yup. Especially compared to the 3DS.Anyway I find it encouraging that they are using the latest tech even if it's the latest mobile tech.
It's mindblowing what Nintendo can do with crummy hardware.
Someone make a concept drawing of the fanny pack you need to carry all the NX buttons, sticks, controllers and cartridges.
People make light of the Wii U's power but in every category, the 3DS was most in need of an upgrade.Yup. Especially compared to the 3DS.
And I'm saying that your pessimism is unfounded, unless you think the fan is there just as a precaution. We don't even know the size of the thing either. It could be a small tablet and thus capable of running at the same speed as the Pixel C.
You said that the dev kit was downgraded in those steps, not that those were speculated ALU counts. And again, it being 160 was never confirmed.
Aha.Damn when even MuchoMalo call some member pessimistic and hyperbolic you know you be stepping out of bounds
Why, what's the memory bandwidth for the stock X1?
I never said the devkit was downgraded you misreaded me. I said people speculated when first hardware infos were leaked and that when the R700 name was first seen, it quickly became RV770. Even IGN putted together a Project Café specced PC around an HD4850.
Also, I'm not being pessimistic here. You're reading whatever you want, I'm just telling you people to progress with caution and avoid shortcuts such as Pascal = Tegra Next Specs = Faster than X1.
As for the 160 alu, it's confirmed now since the die shots.
Damn when even MuchoMalo call some member pessimistic and hyperbolic you know you be stepping out of bounds
People make light of the Wii U's power but in every category, the 3DS was most in need of an upgrade.
Yeah, same. Art style counts for a whoooole lot.
X1 at 500Mhz consume 1.5W, but that is solely for the GPU. You're not factoring memory or CPU here. The point is that Nvidia has a great power consumption for GPUs. Better than PowerVR as X1 GPU consummed 1 less watt than iPad Air 2 GPU for the same performances.
It's not gimping a chip because if Nintendo is only licensing it to produce their custom chip, it could mean they want something different.
It's not about expectations, it's about reading correctly the informations we're getting.
Well, Wii U speculations for hardware started from 1Teraflop to end up all down to 176gflops. That's more than 5.5 times lower
To my understanding, the die shots left that as the most likely case, but it wasn't totally confirmed. Since it's pessimistic everyone obviously takes it as fact, but the die shots aren't enough for full confirmation.
HIGH FIVE
Yeah that's why i'm cautious to..
And there is the gimmick, that dual controller thing. We don't know. What if that uses a lot of watts and Nintendo wants it so they need an extra low power consumption for the rest. And they can totally think "Vita graphics are a fine upgrade" you know. Always be cautious with those ones, always..
I noticed everyone is hyped about that console for power and shared library but when you try to imagine it at some point you're like "ha shit there is this detachable controllers that we have no idea how they work and what they bring, hmmm will that ruin everything ??" You had almost everything right Nintendo!
Unfortunately it's always the same problem. I can see how that detachable controller thing can be a draw for the casual gamers. And Nintendo wants and needs that. At least that's what they think. So they cannot just give "us" what we want. They can do the perfect gaming device right now, but are we enough for them ?
I think the worse part is that.. Nintendo in beast mode with an unified hardware, all their software, capacity to create super popular new ips, the japan stuff (Vita is dying so they have the market for them in Japan, wich is a mistake by Sony), the kids stuffs, the fact that many people boycotting portable gameplay could be interested by this one for obvious reasons (power, tv mode, console scaled games...).. I think Nintendo could take have its own really big market this time, without blue ocean nor red ocean. I mean that even without replacing XBO/PS4, not selling a fad to grandmas, they could still have a big market on their own.
Yeah that's why i'm cautious to..
And there is the gimmick, that dual controller thing. We don't know. What if that uses a lot of watts and Nintendo wants it so they need an extra low power consumption for the rest. And they can totally think "Vita graphics are a fine upgrade" you know. Always be cautious with those ones, always..
I noticed everyone is hyped about that console for power and shared library but when you try to imagine it at some point you're like "ha shit there is this detachable controllers that we have no idea how they work and what they bring, hmmm will that ruin everything ??" You had almost everything right Nintendo!
Unfortunately it's always the same problem. I can see how that detachable controller thing can be a draw for the casual gamers. And Nintendo wants and needs that. At least that's what they think. So they cannot just give "us" what we want. They can do the perfect gaming device right now, but are we enough for them ?
I think the worse part is that.. Nintendo in beast mode with an unified hardware, all their software, capacity to create super popular new ips, the japan stuff (Vita is dying so they have the market for them in Japan, wich is a mistake by Sony), the kids stuffs, the fact that many people boycotting portable gameplay could be interested by this one for obvious reasons (power, tv mode, console scaled games...).. I think Nintendo could take have its own really big market this time, without blue ocean nor red ocean. I mean that even without replacing XBO/PS4, not selling a fad to grandmas, they could still have a big market on their own.
Me too! And I've been playing my 3DS a lot recently.Preach
So ready to ditch this thing
It will kick the shit out of WiiU and more importantly 3DS
What more do we need?
I mean, we clearly identified the ALU parts in the die shots. It's basically confirmed. It's not about being pessimistic, it's a fact. The die shots are more than enough.
It's kinda mindblowing that even if it just uses the X1, the NX will produce better visuals than that
It's a damn controller...
Me too! And I've been playing my 3DS a lot recently.
Can you imagine getting something that's 100 times better? With unified development support?
It's exciting.
How will this work for games with two versions or that play differently. Does this essentially kill ever getting a handheld style zedla or Mario.
We know DQX is coming would the game run a dual.mode to switch game styles depending on which version is running.
You guys expecting a price announcement in September .
Really ?
If it's two controllers, with their own wireless system, battery, gyro and who knows how many techs in it.. Nintendo can totally dedicate a biiig part of their ressources for a console on the gimmick. Look at the gamepad and how it tanked the price of the WiiU. If they believe in a thing..
Now, as a more positive note, if it's based on Pascal and more specifically Tegra Next (so, 3SMM as speculated), we could end up with a handheld which could land into the 230gflops territory in the worst case (300mhz) up to 1Tflop if running at full clock when docked (which I would assume, close to 1200mhz)
Really ?
If it's two controllers, with their own wireless system, battery, gyro and who knows how many techs in it.. Nintendo can totally dedicate a biiig part of their ressources for a console on the gimmick. Look at the gamepad and how it tanked the price of the WiiU. If they believe in a thing..
Agreed. OG 3DS was really uncomfortable for me and 3DS XL is only marginally better.Power is nice and all, but what I really want from NX is solid ergonomics.
What makes you think the wireless, battery and gyro controls would be built into the detachable controller parts? I personally think that the detachable controls will be pretty dumb and rely on whatever they attach to. This allows them to sell a pro-style controller on it's own that can be used for dedicated at-home play.
Agreed. OG 3DS was really uncomfortable for me and 3DS XL is only marginally better.
I like both of your lines of thinking, but i just want to mention that Eurogamer tweeted after the first articles were posted that the HH does have two separate detachable controllers.
Games won't need two versions. That's the whole purpose. All Marios and Zeldas will be portable, theoretically.
Their point is that they're worried that NX won't have 2D Zeldas
What's the point of a dock if it doesn't power it up, it wouldn't even be more expensive and it would allow for higher tv resolutions.I'm expecting a down-clocked SoC to keep power envelope low. Not sure that they'll use the dock to throttle up either, doesn't seem very Nintendo. I'd gladly be wrong though.
As a handheld gamer, I'm happy either way. Hopefully it's as well thought through as the DS and the Wii. I felt the 3DS and the WiiU were not as elegant.