Ouch. Malo's jumping to conclusions again.
I unfortunately can't be much more clear without getting into detail I don't want to get into publicly. Suffice it to say, SMD will sell out a source the minute a man in a suit jacket asks him to.
EDIT: I will say, the source accepted their punishment without argument. The ninjas were merciful.
I mean I think this is a 3DS replacement and not some magic PS4 in a 5 inch 4k screen but if there's one thing the NX does not need and which we know will fail it's old ports. A company launching a game in 2016 would immediately cancel out support for a 2017 system.
All things considered equal.
Ouch. Malo's jumping to conclusions again.
It's pretty foolish for anyone to think the NX will have a large amount of 3rd party support. It's been like that since N64.
Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.
You shouldn't trust him, and you should unsubscribe. End of discussion.
I don't mean to imply that Nintendo is anything less than ruthless and efficient when tracking down leaks... but there was only one weak point in this particular leak, and it was SMD. If SMD chose not to sell out, the source would probably be regretting the whole thing at their old job, rather than in a totally different field.
So what was the argument again? Something about this SMD guy claiming its an AMD chip and not Nvidia? I really don't feel its worth arguing at this point considering we don't even know anything official about the NX except claims by Eurogamer/Digital Foundry and even that feels like stretching it.
Nintendo probably won't get EA early on, if ever.Übermatik;214627842 said:For launch NX needs your typical large scale dev support from Ubi/EA + strong first party titles + one or two third party western exclusives.
This breeds the opportunity for publishers like Eidos and more to support the platform in the future. Right now the majority of western devs who aren't in touch with Nintendo need that reassurance that the platform is worth their investment.
I'm by no means on team SMD at this point (at least regarding his stance on powe, ect) but this sounds kind of sensationalized. What do you mean by "mercifuI"? "Merciful" as in they were fired but as a compromise NOA decided they didn't have to face any legal consequences from their employee agreement? And as others here have said NOA surely didn't need SMD's help to figure out who it was, the marketing budget was like a big "Here I am!" sign with flashing lights pointing to the floor they were on.
So what was the argument again? Something about this SMD guy claiming its an AMD chip and not Nvidia? I really don't feel its worth arguing at this point considering we don't even know anything official about the NX except claims by Eurogamer/Digital Foundry and even that feels like stretching it.
Hmm... Because of Chinese New Year, I think a late March release is more likely. Just like 3DS.
As I said they surely have better lead time but in those months you should consider
Moulds opening
Spare parts orders
Pre production sample
Production lead time
Chinese new year
Worldwide shipments
I dont even get why we should rule out something that could have been developed under wraps until few months ago in terms of electronics
Of course a console that will be sold in march will not have on board a chip that will be developed in december but we dont know the development status of such a possible Tegra X pascal-based
You've been here longer than me. SuperMetalDave is Trevelyan9999 on NeoGAF. He just doesn't seem to come here anymore after that leak occurred and a terrible one at that for using no discretion since there was plenty of time to think of what to do with it.
So why spend discussing about it instead of...that Hot Chips event that was suppose to be up right now?It's not worth rehashing or explaining as it's off-topic for this thread.
Twitter is a cesspool when it comes to NX discussion. Sorry, guys, that Nvidia slide is just laughable according to Twitter.
Here we go again with the age old "If the install base reaches X units the third parties will come!" spiel. People like Reggie are the ones who normally resort to that Kool aid as a post launch talking point, come on. Western or not, any third party who has even a semblance of real interest and confidence in the system's appeal both to them and their user base would be planning at least a few ports now if they really thought it might be worth their time and resources at any point.
"Merciful" as in, the consequences could have been far worse than they were.
I don't really want to fight over everyone's belief that NOA didn't need help. I know for a fact they wouldn't have found the source without SMD. Simple as that.
Call it sensationalized, but the point is more that SMD's word is completely worthless. He doesn't have any sources. If he did, somebody would have knocked on his door again, and he would have given them up and deleted half of his website and youtube channel again.
EDIT: But yeah, I do want to get back more on topic. To tie back in, right now the only WORTHWHILE thing we have to go on is what we've heard from Eurogamer, which may be accurate but may be incomplete or slightly off. I really just wanted to clarify that SMD is so untrustworthy as to be basically guaranteed to be making things up if he claims to have sources.
And I would expect not to hear anything major until Nintendo decides to reveal it.
Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.
So why spend discussing about it instead of...that Hot Chips event that was suppose to be up right now?
In fact, was there any big announcement? I can't seem to find any news nor tweets about it.
You're making things complicated, when I said that pre-production vould have started. Volume production of actual retail packaged units is what I'm saying wouldn't start until ~4 months before launch.
Here we go again with the age old "If the install base reaches X units the third parties will come!" spiel. People like Reggie are the ones who normally resort to that Kool aid as a post launch talking point, come on. Western or not, any third party who has even a semblance of real interest and confidence in the system's appeal both to them and their user base would be planning at least a few ports now if they really thought it might be worth their time and resources at any point.
There is no difference in terms of contents between pre production and production, just quality and safety assestments to be done
So I am not making anything complicated, considering that my initial post was related to the possibility that the Foxconn rumor of a psp - like device could be related to NX and that they are probably ready to enter the production phase (so no chip development still up in the air)
If they still are in the prototyping phase in September they will miss the march dead line for release simple as that
Btw, as you prefer.
Nintendo probably won't get EA early on, if ever.
EDIT: But yeah, I do want to get back more on topic. To tie back in, right now the only WORTHWHILE thing we have to go on is what we've heard from Eurogamer, which may be accurate but may be incomplete or slightly off.
Ouch. Sounding like Wii U all over again.
And how many of those ports weren't watered down specifically due to third parties' perception of the system and its user base like Dead Space Extraction and the later Madden games with 'toonish graphics? I'm talking on-par ports.
The details on Parker leaked hours ago and that was basically all we were expecting from Hot Chips. New details on what parker is gives us insight into what NX could be
And how many of those ports weren't watered down specifically due to third parties' perception of the system and its user base like Dead Space Extraction and the later Madden games with 'toonish graphics? I'm talking on-par ports.
Nintendo probably won't get EA early on, if ever.
Actually, I just found a new article posted.
Edit: Link removed.
Yeah, this doesn't really mean anything. Considering that, if Eidos has devkits, they likely only got them earlier this year, it was never really an option.
All the NX needs to have western third party AAA support is for it to have a large enough install base, enough power to run the game in question in some form, and is relatively easy to port to.
If the NX hits 20-30 million units and is easy to port to, it will get the western third parties. Even if Ubisoft and Activision half-ass the launch window, if NX sells well they'll all pay real attention.
For every excuse that was given for lack of support for Wii U, the ultimate problem was that the install base was too small to justify the cost of a port given the relative difficulty of porting to Wii U.
Made considerably better with parallel universes in Mario 64
So then, you believe that volume production for the XboneS began in January or sooner?
Didn't know if WCCFTech links are allowed. (GAFs banned link list just keeps getting weirder, so I'd rather not risk it.)Pourquoi?
And how many of those ports weren't watered down specifically due to third parties' perception of the system and its user base like Dead Space Extraction and the later Madden games with 'toonish graphics? I'm talking on-par ports.
is the hot chip presentation related to https://youtu.be/5GOZjlwIwfk
I dont know. When the S launched? I am not that updated on that product :/
Plus, you dont have to count the two/three weeks of interruption due to the Chinese NY if they dont happen during the production phase neither so...
Do you really think that the mass production of such a complex electronic product takes few weeks from moulds opening, spare parts purchase, pre production shot, QA and SA, and WW shipments?
That sounds pretty strange to my ears, considering how timings for my company works for electronic goods mass produce and shipped in EU from China
You're missing any acknowledgement of audience demographics here.
Back in 2012, before the system even launched, third parties were shooting down potential PS3/360 ports to Wii U left and right, and it's very hard to believe that was solely about hardware architecture.
The original source updated with some details from the Q&A after the hot chips presentation.
- Graphics performance at least 50% greater than X1 1.5 TFlops (presumably that's FP16)
- They answered yes to a question about potential applications of the chip for VR/AR