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Europe: 10 centuries in 5 minutes

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Alastor said:
It makes me sad, seeing that my contry was once an european empire with an access to both Baltic and Black seas.

Damn you, three partitions of Poland and both world wars.
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Looking at the vid, Poland was getting screwed well before the World Wars. Looks like it was absorbed into Russia multiple times. :lol
 
Collapse of the Roman Empire looks like it made things a bit messy!

Watched some WW3 scenario videos and very few of them seem to consider the fact that it would be nuclear Armageddon... just lots of weird videos where people with various agendas say what they think would happen. Bizarre.
 
Zapages said:
In terms of modern day type of situation about Ottomans...
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what the fuck are you trying to say?

you are sad the ottoman empire doesn't keep fucking over Europe with raids?
 
Enosh said:
what the fuck are you trying to say?

you are sad the ottoman empire doesn't keep fucking over Europe with raids?
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No, just a presence in Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechyian, and Albanian Muslims don't get screwed over again like what happened in the 90s. Oh screw it. Ignore what I said, ok happy

John Dunbar said:
Mongols really owned shit, though. Tough cookies. Had a law of their own, the Mongols.
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Interesting fact, if the last Khantee had converted to Islam, then China could have been Muslim today. But thats in the past.

If they develop time travel, one thing I would do is tell the Ottomans not to join WW I. Really screwed the whole Middle East with colonialism. :|
 
Zapages said:
No, just a presence in Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechyian, and Albanian Muslims don't get screwed over again like what happened in the 90s. Oh screw it. Ignore what I said, ok happy
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Yay protectorates!

You really are a piece of work.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Looking at the vid, Poland was getting screwed well before the World Wars. Looks like it was absorbed into Russia multiple times. :lol
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That's what he means by the three partitions. Poland was basically divided up between Russia, Prussia, and Austria.
 
Enosh said:
what the fuck are you trying to say?

you are sad the ottoman empire doesn't keep fucking over Europe with raids?
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You're being close-minded. The Ottomans merely discovered Europe and were settling there. Barbarious natives just get rebelling.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Collapse of the Roman Empire looks like it made things a bit messy!
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Where? The Roman Empire ceased to exist 5 centuries prior to the beginning of the vid, didn't it?
 
NekoFever said:
It does kind of put nationalism into perspective when you see how significantly and easily borders and entire national identities can change.
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Yeah, we can't really directly experience time on a grander scale, so it seems things like borders and states are fixed concepts, when in fact they aren't.
 
Zapages said:
Sad about lack of Ottomans presence in Europe.
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I'd like you to say this if you're people were 500 years under their savage rule.

Zapages said:
Protectorates nah, more like there would not be any genocide there. :|
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Are you fucking kidding me? Are you even aware of what sort of atrocities Turks have done on the Balkans during their occupation?
 
Zapages said:
Protectorates nah, more like there would not be any genocide there. :|
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Yes, because the Ottomans were known for their gentle demeanour and accepting character. No genocides there!
 
Funky Papa said:
Yes, because the Ottomans were known for their gentle demeanour and accepting character. No genocides there!
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I am no Turk and I am far from it... The Ottomans were a lot more accepting to Jewish people and other religious minorities compared to others in their time minus the whole Jansaries that historians love to bring up, which was only part of their history. :|
 
Those videos rock.

Let's get some historians and update the Afriacan, European, and American section of the 1000 years of war map. The Napoleonic Wars and 1890s onward is bananas, especially WWII.
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
Those videos rock.

Let's get some historians and update the Afriacan, European, and American section of the 1000 years of war map. The Napoleonic Wars and 1890s onward is bananas, especially WWII.
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I've been on a colonialism/postcolonialism fix for a while. The conquest, rise, fall and sometimes utter aniquilation of certain nations of America and particularly Africa is fascinating. It was such a bizarre period of rags to riches to rags again, with countries such as Rhodesia-Zimbabwe providing a never ending queue of facepalms. The history of Congo is something else, too.

The usage of charter companies in particular is a thing to behold. Makes you wonder what kind of shit it's going to unfold the day we start colonising other planets, even if there are no other species around us.
 
Mik2121 said:
And I thought Spain was already crazy enough with all the changes all over the years, but.. what the hell is going on in that area between France, Italy and Austria? :lol :lol
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The Germans in the Holy Roman Empire didn't really believe in primogeniture so each estate was split up between all sons, resulting in smaller and smaller principalities each generation, until the push for nation-states and the rise in nationalism just a couple centuries ago.
 
Funky Papa said:
The usage of charter companies in particular is a thing to behold.
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Indeed, their power was ridiculous. Take the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC), the Dutch East India Company, here's some figures:

It was the first multinational corporation in the world and the first company to issue stock. It was also arguably the world's first megacorporation, possessing quasi-governmental powers, including the ability to wage war, imprison and execute convicts, negotiate treaties, coin money, and establish colonies.
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Statistically, the VOC eclipsed all of its rivals in the Asia trade. Between 1602 and 1796 the VOC sent almost a million Europeans to work in the Asia trade on 4,785 ships, and netted for their efforts more than 2.5 million tons of Asian trade goods. By contrast, the rest of Europe combined sent only 882,412 people from 1500 to 1795, and the fleet of the English (later British) East India Company, the VOC’s nearest competitor, was a distant second to its total traffic with 2,690 ships and a mere one-fifth the tonnage of goods carried by the VOC. The VOC enjoyed huge profits from its spice monopoly through most of the 17th century
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By 1669, the VOC was the richest private company the world had ever seen, with over 150 merchant ships, 40 warships, 50,000 employees, a private army of 10,000 soldiers, and a dividend payment of 40% on the original investment.
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It's frightening how powerful these companies became. Declaring wars, fielding massive armies and having the right to execute convicts...
 
Kabouter said:
Indeed, their power was ridiculous. Take the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC), the Dutch East India Company, here's some figures:







It's frightening how powerful these companies became. Declaring wars, fielding massive armies and having the right to execute convicts...
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Weird how the East India Company's flag just HAPPENED to have 13 stripes, yet the 13 stripes on the US flag is supposed to represent the 13 colonies.

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Kabouter said:
Indeed, their power was ridiculous. Take the Vereenigde Oost-Indische Compagnie (VOC), the Dutch East India Company, here's some figures:







It's frightening how powerful these companies became. Declaring wars, fielding massive armies and having the right to execute convicts...
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Take one third of Lehman Brothers, add another of Blackwater and mix it with a generous spoon of modern Chinese-like industrialism.

What could ever go wrong?
 
Zapages said:
No, just a presence in Kosovo, Bosnia, Chechyian, and Albanian Muslims don't get screwed over again like what happened in the 90s.
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It would be awesome if you could stop speaking about shit you don't know about.
 
Fritz said:
Where? The Roman Empire ceased to exist 5 centuries prior to the beginning of the vid, didn't it?
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Well, you had both the Holy Roman Empire and the other Roman "Byzantine" Empire right there at the start of the video.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
Watched some WW3 scenario videos and very few of them seem to consider the fact that it would be nuclear Armageddon... just lots of weird videos where people with various agendas say what they think would happen. Bizarre.
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Napoleonic wars should by rights be known as the First World War...
 
Sir Fragula said:
Well, you had both the Holy Roman Empire and the other Roman "Byzantine" Empire right there at the start of the video.
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Yeah, I get it. I just believe he didn't meant East Rome and the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation really only borrows the name for legitimation's sake and out of political acumen.
 
That was really cool. I just wish it went back as far as recorded time goes and that it had a clock. This reminds me of total war for some reason :lol
 
NekoFever said:
It does kind of put nationalism into perspective when you see how significantly and easily borders and entire national identities can change.
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the video only confirms the first part of your post (the border part)

but compleatly disproves the second part (that national identities can change easy)

a national identity is a bitch to get rid off, look for how long Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia were under Ottoman control, if changing national identities were so easy they still would be, but they aren't, why? Beacose of nationalism, even through all that long occupation they still saw themself as greek, or serb etc

look at the spring of nations, rise of nationalism in teritories that have for hundreds of years been under a foreign rule

a national identity is probably the hardest thing to get rid off for an occupying power
 
Basically, no one really fucked with Norway all that much. Hehe.

Really cool videos, though.
 
Hah, it was fun to see the BRIEF grasp of Joseph-Napoléon Bonaparte on Spain :lol

From "All Spain is mine!" to "WTF happened" :lol
 
Enosh said:
the video only confirms the first part of your post (the border part)

but compleatly disproves the second part (that national identities can change easy)

a national identity is a bitch to get rid off, look for how long Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia were under Ottoman control, if changing national identities were so easy they still would be, but they aren't, why? Beacose of nationalism, even through all that long occupation they still saw themself as greek, or serb etc

look at the spring of nations, rise of nationalism in teritories that have for hundreds of years been under a foreign rule

a national identity is probably the hardest thing to get rid off for an occupying power
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I thought according to my history class, that these regions hung onto their religious identity more so than their national identities. Not until nationalism started to rise up was then they decided that they were greek, serb, etc. as these regions had Muslims as well. But when the Ottoaman Empire became the Republic of Turkey, there was mass exodus of Turkish Muslims and Greek Christians to their respective countries.
 
Millions of lives lost for little lines on a map.

This put it in pretty good perspective how pointless it all is.

Not talking about WW2, talking about all of the fighting so your king could have a larger swatch of land he would never visit
 
Enosh said:
the video only confirms the first part of your post (the border part)

but compleatly disproves the second part (that national identities can change easy)

a national identity is a bitch to get rid off, look for how long Greece, Bulgaria, Romania and Serbia were under Ottoman control, if changing national identities were so easy they still would be, but they aren't, why? Beacose of nationalism, even through all that long occupation they still saw themself as greek, or serb etc

a national identity is probably the hardest thing to get rid off for an occupying power
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The Ottoman Empire became as large as it did because they allowed for a lot of self control of various territories. So you might have been part of the Ottoman Empire, but you could retain your old countries identity and leadership.
 
Zapages said:
I thought according to my history class, that these regions hung onto their religious identity more so than their national identities. Not until nationalism started to rise up was then they decided that they were Greek, Serb, etc. as these regions had Muslims as well. But when the Ottoman Empire became the Republic of Turkey, there was mass exodus of Turkish Muslims and Greek Christians to their respective countries.
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The national/religious background of Balkans is very tricky to understand, especially to someone who isn't closely familiar with the situation around here.

There was also a massive exodus of Muslims from the northern parts of the Balkans when Serbian uprising turned out successful. There aren't any specific figures, but estimates are that around 1.5 - 2.5 million Muslims fled to Turkey when Ottoman rule was defeated.

StoOgE said:
The Ottoman Empire became as large as it did because they allowed for a lot of self control of various territories. So you might have been part of the Ottoman Empire, but you could retain your old countries identity and leadership.
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This is not correct. Ottoman Empire did indeed allow self control of various territories, but those territories were still controlled by Turks. Also, Muslims were extremely favored in contrast to suppressed Christians who had to pay much higher taxes, were used as force labor, had to pay "tribute in blood" etc. Turks systematically performed acts of assimilation and destruction of local cultures and historical heritage by burning churches, banning organized Christian religion and attempting to install Islam as the prime religion, which they ultimately failed to complete.
 
Ok here's the situation, the Byzantine Empire did not allow minorities to open schools and have an independent education in their own language. Why not scrutinize them? What about all the missionaries in the Americas and during colonialism of Africa, South Asia, etc. :|

I am sorry but single out the Ottomans, is not right. :\
 
Zapages said:
Ok here's the situation, the Byzantine Empire did not allow minorities to open schools and have an independent education in their own language. Why not scrutinize them? What about all the missionaries in the Americas and during colonialism of Africa, South Asia, etc. :|

I am sorry but single out the Ottomans, is not right. :\
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Who said anything about the Byzantines?
 
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