famousmortimer
Banned
If the vast majority of consoles sold come with it, then the savings aren't going to be all that great and it just means that NA consumers get a bum deal comapred to everyone else.
I wouldn't rule out it being a part of a higher price sku (though that's me guessing, no one told me that).
And it's only a bum deal if you want it. So that's a personal thing. As someone that isn't buying a X1 because of forced Kinect this was very exciting news to me when I was leaked it (and shared it) back in March and April.